thanks bigguy...mystery solved....always wondered that as I only knew about the flats in the middle of cormorant...as to mooching nedarb...well, never say never, but I have not once seen someone obviously mooching for salmon there (there are places to mooch for cod if the tides aren't doing do a number on you). You certainly 'could' get away with it as even on a busy day, you may only find 15-20 boats in one area, but why bother? Trolling covers more ground. If you aren't really into the hastle of bait, you can definitely do well with spoons and hootchie up there (mint tulip hootchie and kripple k's my most successful non-bait options, but can't go wrong with army truck and cop car styles of hootchies and spoons).....if downriggers are the issue, that is actually a place you can get away without them...use a 2lb weight and 30-40 pulls anywhere in Mitchell Bay along the shoreline from the west entrance of the bay to donegal (just infront of the kelp)...I have caught many that way as well and my wifes gramps who was a guide up there NEVER used a downrigger when fishing in his own boat. Just keep in mind if you are fishing around other boats, your line will run risk of getting chopped by their downriggers if they cut behind you.