sammyslabber
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New chinook regs for early fraser river run!!!
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Why are the August Fraser Chinook still thriving while the early ones don't? Quite simple to me. There is a fish farm argument here, but put it aside for this one. "I believe" that the FN nets during the early summer are set up with a mesh size designed to take larger Chinook as it is too early for Sockeye. They are fishing what is available. Early Chinook are getting hit hard. In late July/August they switch to the smaller mesh gillnets and target Sockeye, which are more prized and more plentiful.
scott craven
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Question for those "in the know"...
If the last Albion test fishery is June 18 on which DFO will base their decision on further regulations,
are the early timed Chinook not already done ?
My understanding was the early fish hit the Fraser March,April May ?
If the last Albion test fishery is June 18 on which DFO will base their decision on further regulations,
are the early timed Chinook not already done ?
My understanding was the early fish hit the Fraser March,April May ?
sammyslabber
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What exactly is the Albion test fishery? for those who don't know, i did a little research http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/commercial/commercialalbionchnk_e.htm
If water levels are high,due to larger spring runoffs.. wouldn't this make it hard to pinpiont the best location for the placement of nets.It's safe to assume returning early timed Chinooks may bypass this selected area.
Interesting sidebar re: test vessel name "Since its inception in 1981, the Albion test fishery has been conducted by the fishing vessel "Witch Doctor". This could be an indicator of why it's called "voodoo science"
If water levels are high,due to larger spring runoffs.. wouldn't this make it hard to pinpiont the best location for the placement of nets.It's safe to assume returning early timed Chinooks may bypass this selected area.
Interesting sidebar re: test vessel name "Since its inception in 1981, the Albion test fishery has been conducted by the fishing vessel "Witch Doctor". This could be an indicator of why it's called "voodoo science"
scott craven
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[FONT=Arial, serif]Dear fellow anglers, [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]It is with great disappointment I report that our Juan de Fuca public fisheries are taking another hit again this year. As DFO have indicated the return of Spring and Summer 5-2 Chinook will most likely be in Zone 1 and plan to manage fisheries accordingly. They will increase the restrictions on the Chinook fishing in our area this summer if returns remain in Zone 1. I have attached several documents to this email for you to read about this issue.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Please expect the forthcoming DFO announcement for recreational fisheries, which will most likely read: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif](changes from 2011 in red)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Juan de Fuca[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] – [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]West of Cadboro Point to Sheringham Point (Sub-areas 19-1 to 19-4 and 20-5)
March 1 to June 15 – 2 Chinook between 45 cm - 67 cm (hatchery or wild) or hatchery marked only greater than 67 cm, and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]June 16 to July 20 - 2 Chinook between 45 cm – 85 cm (hatchery or wild) or hatchery marked only greater than 85 cm.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Georgia Strait[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]– Corridor between Juan de Fuca and the Fraser River (Sub-areas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of Sub-areas 29-4 and 29-5) [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]May 1 to June 15 – 2 Chinook per day (hatchery or wild) of which only 1 may be greater than 67 cm. Minimum size limit 62 cm, and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]June 16 to July 20 – 2 Chinook between 62 cm – 85 cm (hatchery or wild)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]As your representative, it is very important to me you understand that everything possible was done following the huge March 21 Victoria SFAB committee meeting to avoid further restrictions on our Chinook fishery this summer. The SFAB at all levels supported our local committee position and gave clear advice to DFO senior management not to increase restrictions as we had already met the reduction targets two years in a row. Additionally, I would like to thank several dedicated individuals that lobbied behind the scenes and in the media for our cause. Sadly, it is clear that DFO has chosen to ignore the best advice of the Main Board of the SFAB and our pleas as local anglers.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Please have a safe and enjoyable summer,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Kindest regards,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Christopher Bos[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Victoria Committee Chair[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]It is with great disappointment I report that our Juan de Fuca public fisheries are taking another hit again this year. As DFO have indicated the return of Spring and Summer 5-2 Chinook will most likely be in Zone 1 and plan to manage fisheries accordingly. They will increase the restrictions on the Chinook fishing in our area this summer if returns remain in Zone 1. I have attached several documents to this email for you to read about this issue.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Please expect the forthcoming DFO announcement for recreational fisheries, which will most likely read: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif](changes from 2011 in red)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Juan de Fuca[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif] – [/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]West of Cadboro Point to Sheringham Point (Sub-areas 19-1 to 19-4 and 20-5)
March 1 to June 15 – 2 Chinook between 45 cm - 67 cm (hatchery or wild) or hatchery marked only greater than 67 cm, and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]June 16 to July 20 - 2 Chinook between 45 cm – 85 cm (hatchery or wild) or hatchery marked only greater than 85 cm.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Georgia Strait[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]– Corridor between Juan de Fuca and the Fraser River (Sub-areas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of Sub-areas 29-4 and 29-5) [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]May 1 to June 15 – 2 Chinook per day (hatchery or wild) of which only 1 may be greater than 67 cm. Minimum size limit 62 cm, and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]June 16 to July 20 – 2 Chinook between 62 cm – 85 cm (hatchery or wild)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]As your representative, it is very important to me you understand that everything possible was done following the huge March 21 Victoria SFAB committee meeting to avoid further restrictions on our Chinook fishery this summer. The SFAB at all levels supported our local committee position and gave clear advice to DFO senior management not to increase restrictions as we had already met the reduction targets two years in a row. Additionally, I would like to thank several dedicated individuals that lobbied behind the scenes and in the media for our cause. Sadly, it is clear that DFO has chosen to ignore the best advice of the Main Board of the SFAB and our pleas as local anglers.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Please have a safe and enjoyable summer,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Kindest regards,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Christopher Bos[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, serif]Victoria Committee Chair[/FONT]
scott craven
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This could have been a lot worse, at least we can still fish... 
scott craven
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Looks like the inside fishery gets screwed over with no Chinook retention over 85cm.
(approx 15lbs)
(approx 15lbs)
Cut Plug
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Please note that these regs won't be confirmed until much closer to the date - ie mid June. My understanding is that "option 2", the 85cm slot is the worst case scenario based on zone 1 returns. Closures are not being considered.
Frustrating, and not likely to mean much in terms of getting more fish on to the spawning grounds, but at least now they've confirmed we can still fish....
Cut Plug
Frustrating, and not likely to mean much in terms of getting more fish on to the spawning grounds, but at least now they've confirmed we can still fish....
Cut Plug
pescador
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The challenge is many of us from out of town are making plans to fish right now in July/Aug. We can't wait wondering what is going to happen. We have to make decisions based on the information we have to date. Based on this, I'm cancelling plans to fish Sooke for 9 days and will go fish with my fishing buddies on the West Coast. They fly in from the East Coast and Europe. They're looking for retain at least one decent fish each. They understand the need to conserve, but, getting a guy to spend a ton of money to release anything over 15 lbs is going to cause people to think twice before they come to fish Victoria/Sooke. The West Coast is a longer drive, but, the retention part is key for out of town visitors. We'll probably put 10-15K into the economy. Too bad that Sooke/Victoria is going to lose out it
Deewar25
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ugh, looks like you are right on the 15lb - I thought it was closer to 22-23 lbs, but I see from a few derby stats that report length, it does seem to be more in the 15-16lb range. Just hope with this come significant cutback at and in the river, otherwise, we all know there is no point to it!
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Theb55
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Oh well luckily DFO is drastically cutting back on enforcement officers. I must admit that I have seen them on the water once and on land once in seven years of fishing. I think I will tell the creel surveyors that I have been overwhelmed by salmon. Everyone should do that.
scott craven
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After all the negative talk, i was really expecting a total closure.
is this good ? .... not really, but at least we can still fish.
In my mind the glass is still 1/2 full.
is this good ? .... not really, but at least we can still fish.
In my mind the glass is still 1/2 full.
scott craven
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Ya Lippy, I would also like to believe that this is for the good of the fish
but, really think this is simply political.
Look at what they have done with area 18, before they could have 2 Chinook with one over 67
now restricted to 2 fish between 67 and 85cm.
How does that make sense ?
We are at the mercy of DFO which makes none.
fogged in
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Political YES
have a look at the wild springs being caught off "the Neck and Thrasher" pretty much directly west of the Fraser River.
"Nanaimo and Area reports - Spring and Summer 2012" on this Sports Fishing B.C. form.
If Juan de Fuca is impacting the Fraser fish, you will have a tough time telling me that Nanaimo is NOT.
No surprise...it's been this way since the first Juan de Fuca restrictions came in.
BUT nobody says it has to make sense...it's POLITICS and we know how much sense that makes.
Can't blame the Naniamo guys....every year April, May and June are their best fishing months for Chinook.
have a look at the wild springs being caught off "the Neck and Thrasher" pretty much directly west of the Fraser River.
"Nanaimo and Area reports - Spring and Summer 2012" on this Sports Fishing B.C. form.
If Juan de Fuca is impacting the Fraser fish, you will have a tough time telling me that Nanaimo is NOT.
No surprise...it's been this way since the first Juan de Fuca restrictions came in.
BUT nobody says it has to make sense...it's POLITICS and we know how much sense that makes.
Can't blame the Naniamo guys....every year April, May and June are their best fishing months for Chinook.
Deewar25
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just looking at that now - couple tyees (34 33 by same guide over couple days, and plenty in the 20's, looks kind of like our june fishery, yet they are full steam ahead with no restriction (obviously nothing against them directly as said, but WTF is DFO's logic here?)
I hope you feel as ok with "them" in a couple of years when we are closed and they are still taken the fish we are trying to get back, along with our fishery. If these fish are in this much trouble then no one should be taking them. You only need to look at Thompson Coho...12 years later and still closed until Oct 1st when they have passed us!! What do they expect from us, another 12 years? So more of the same, different species....they catch them in front of us, behind us and somehow this plan will facilitate a reasonably speedy recovery? 50-60 years ago Brentwood used to be "the" local fishing hot spot...that famous Coho run is gone and so are the springs...Sooke became the new spot...now that is almost done and now its Port Renfrew. Looks like before I'm dead a day trip of fishing might require a drive to Bamfield.
wolf
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Agreed PRO anyone who thinks well its ok we get to fish WTF ???? this is total BS and eceryone should be madder than a heated up hornet IT HAS NOTHING to do about conservation in fact even more fish will die now. Call it what you want but the FN nets are in now getting them wheres there reduction ZIP some on here just dont get it......
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