Gun Control in US and Canada

Well if you do believe that then fine! I for one will not say that is had had no effect whatsoever.
X2

Quoting what Michael Gallagher CEO of Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is like quoting a CEO of a tobacco company? I am quite sure if one contacts any CEO of Altria, British American Tobacco Reynolds American, Inc., Imperial Tobacco, Japan Tobacco, and Philip Morris International they will gladly point-out there is no harm in smoking their tobacco products. Anyone want to bet?

You will reap what you have sown. I believe a prime example there is none other than the shooters own mother who allowed her son to play those violent games. Anything violent very much will effect one’s state of mind, that is a well known fact. It’s called “DESENSITIZE” and companies and governments around the world are very good at it!

Definition of DESENSITIZE

1: to make (a sensitized or hypersensitive individual) insensitive or nonreactive to a sensitizing agent
2: to make emotionally insensitive or callous; specifically: to extinguish an emotional response (as of fear, anxiety, or guilt) to stimuli that formerly induced it

de•sen•si•tize transitive verb (Medical Dictionary)

b : to extinguish an emotional response (as of fear, anxiety, or guilt) to stimuli which formerly induced it : make emotionally insensitive <evidence that violence on television desensitizes children to actual violence—Stephanie Harrington>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/desensitize
 
get a grip folks. these games are available worldwide and just as popular in other countries as they are in the US. you don't see the astonishing numbers of homcides in other countries now do you. this is nothing more than a red herring foisted on its pitard by the media who still refuse to focus their efforts on gun control. the same lame arguement is being applied to mental illness. the rate of mental illness in the US parallels that around the globe, nothing more than another red herring. the difference, guns and their availability in the US is unparalleled around the globe.
 
I watched CNN the other night and they were discussing what new measures many of the schools are looking at for security. Common sense implementations include electronically locked entrance doors with a staff member doing criminal background checks by way of your driver's license before you are allowed access to the school. The worst solution...Texas...arming the teachers with handguns!!!! WTF Lets have a good ole fashion shootout in the classroom. Seems like Texas wants to go back to the cowboy days when everyone was armed and no one shot at each other.
 
You have to address the gun issue from a far more macro level. There is only one solution to the US gun problem. Stricter controls on the purchase and use firearms. There are several models you can follow. The US can figure that part out. Regulation/controls influence outcomes. I don't care whether your talking the financial system, medicine or firearms. Its the cost of civilization. Like it or not. However, with 200M firearms in the hands of the public, it will take decades to see material improvements in civil behavior. I hate pessimism, but, I think things will get worse before they get better. The US is becoming more polarized than ever since Obama took the oval office. This debate just pushes that divide further apart. They've got bigger issues on their polictical agenda like trying to compete with China and India not to mention debt that may take decades to pay down. I don't think anyone in the US will ever deal with this issue adequately. No one is willing to spend the political currency to do it.
 
the school in conneticut had just implemented a set of security measures before this happened. all perimiter doors locked, to enter the front door, a buzzer with an intercomm and a camera linked to the school office. if they recognized you they let you enter. the shooter used his rifle to shoot his way in through a back door just proving that no matter the measures anyone takes, there is always a way around for the determined.

now read the NRA 'significant' announcement! what a tone deaf response to this tradgedy and not a single mention of gun control. 'armed guards' in every school, ********. this fool has never been in a school building and hardly has a grasp on the atmosphere such a thing would enable. can you imagine your 5 year old having to deal with a person armed with a fully automatic weapon at the front door every day??? this NRA guy is totally out of touch with reality. the intersting thing that is going on, however, is the counterattack is going after those businesses that support the NRA. hitting them in the pocket book is probably the most effective strategy that can be employed, the same one the NRA uses over and over.
 
Yup, that NRA statement was pretty disgusting... yet predictable. They continue to play on the fears of the public, especially after such tragedies as Sandy Hook. The scary part is there are millions of people who nod their head in agreement when they hear the NRA saying that every school needs an armed guard to protect their children. more guns, more guns, more guns!
 
Start litigating where you reasonable can for cause, IE gun manufacturers, ammunition providers, NRA and anyone that supports the lobby when you have cause to. Bushmaster should be the first target thru class action or other means initiated by the victims families. Over time, the litigation will influence behaviors. Do exactly what the anti cigarette lobby did back in the 80's, go after the source, not the back end of the problem. It will cause debate on the issue and at some point tip the scales. The NRA seems to have the upper hand right now, that has to shift. We all know the sh*t that comes from them is proposterous yet I don't see many US politicians or public figures ever challenging them. Who holds a press conference as they did today on an issue like this and doesn't respond to questions? Unheard of unless you don't have a defendable position.
 
525161_10151303177849483_331586606_n.jpg
 
only in america....

WASHINGTON—The nation's most powerful gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed security guards in schools, saying that children had been left vulnerable in their classrooms.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said that "the monsters and the predators of the world" have exploited the fact that schools are gun-free zones. Other important institutions—from banks to airports to sports stadiums—are protected with armed security, he said, but this country has left students defenseless.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," Mr. LaPierre said at a news conference Friday morning.

Enlarge Image

Getty Images
A demonstrator from CodePink holds up a banner as National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre delivers remarks in Washington on Friday.


President Barack Obama has tapped Joe Biden to lead a gun reform effort in the wake of the tragedy in Newtown but doubt remains whether the political will exists to do anything.

More

Text of NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre's Speech
Politics Counts: Urban-Rural Split on Gun Laws
Vote: Should schools have armed police officers?
Readers React: 'Schools Like Prisons'
Lack of Data Slows Gun-Control Studies
Shooter Left Few Tracks, Online or Off
Bloomberg Slams NRA's 'Paranoid, Dystopian Vision'
Cuomo for Gun Laws
Map: Gun Laws by State

View Interactive

Timeline: Gun Control in the U.S.

Since the American Revolution, when colonists went to war against Great Britain, the right to bear arms has been central to – and controversial in – American culture.

View Interactive

Take a look back over milestones in America's relationship with and regulation of firearms.

A Briefing History of the NRA


In its 141st year, the NRA has risen to become one of America's most powerful lobby groups. Now the NRA is responding to a massacre that has President Obama advocating for more stringent gun control. WSJ's Jason Bellini reports. Image: Getty

The comments were the most extensive statements the NRA has made since the Dec. 14 killings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children and six adults dead. The gunman also killed his mother and himself. The organization issued a statement earlier this week expressing shock and sadness over the shootings.

In the aftermath of the attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School, much of the national conversation has focused on gun-control measures. But on Friday, Mr. LaPierre said that time should not be wasted on legislation that won't work.

Mr. LaPierre said that the media rewards monsters who would shoot school children by giving them the attention that they crave, and he suggested that some other deranged individual already is planning the next attack.

"The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters, people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them," Mr. LaPierre said.

The shootings have led to calls for a variety of new gun laws, including the reinstatement of an assault-weapons ban similar to one that was in effect from 1994 to 2004. The White House also has urged Congress to pass a ban on high-capacity magazines and to require background checks for all gun purchases.

President Barack Obama has tapped Vice President Joe Biden to lead the administration's efforts develop proposals aimed at limiting gun violence.

Mr. LaPierre said Friday that thousands of gun laws already are on the books. He suggested, though, that the prescription was not more legislation, but more security in schools. What if Adam Lanza, the alleged Newtown shooter, had been confronted by armed guards, Mr. LaPierre asked.

He called on Congress to immediately appropriate whatever is necessary to put police officers in every single school in this nation, but he said massive funding should not be required for this effort. Asa Hutchinson, a former congressman from Arkansas, will lead the NRA's effort to develop a school shield program.

Mr. Hutchinson said schools should have the opportunity to develop protection programs that suit their individual needs. Armed security would be just one component of a broader plan, he said.

In a speech that was interrupted twice by antigun protesters, Mr. LaPierre blamed "blood-soaked films," as well as videogames and music videos for creating a more violent culture in a race to the bottom.

Mr. LaPierre declined to answer any questions Friday.

Holly Thomas, a member of the Washington, D.C., chapter of One Million Moms for Gun Control, called the NRA plan "an appalling idea." With tears in her eyes she said the organization held a news conference "only to say nothing."

Andrew Nazdin, a 24-year-old who protested outside the news conference, said he did not hear "any solutions. It's time for the NRA to stand down so others can see meaningful changes so we can prevent tragedies like we saw last Friday.

The NRA, which has an estimated four million members and is buoyed by tens of millions of gun owners, is considered the largest of the gun-rights lobby. It has traditionally opposed any additional weapons laws, maintaining that existing laws need to be enforced. One area it has supported is a robust National Instant Check System, used to perform background checks on would-be buyers at federally registered firearms dealers
 
Armed guards in every school will deter most from going on a shooting rampage there. So instead they now go to a public library, theater, park....anywhere people gather to shoot off a few hundred rounds into a crowd. Are you going to put paid armed guards everywhere and how much will that cost? Are these people that stupid? Get rid of the large clip guns period.
 
Why not, the politicians are protected by Armed guards, why a problem protecting civilians?
 
From the New Yorker:

The Simple Truth About Gun Control
Posted by Adam Gopnik

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...le-truth-about-gun-control.html#ixzz2FjYgOIXN


We live, let’s imagine, in a city where children are dying of a ravaging infection. The good news is that its cause is well understood and its cure, an antibiotic, easily at hand. The bad news is that our city council has been taken over by a faith-healing cult that will go to any lengths to keep the antibiotic from the kids. Some citizens would doubtless point out meekly that faith healing has an ancient history in our city, and we must regard the faith healers with respect—to do otherwise would show a lack of respect for their freedom to faith-heal. (The faith healers’ proposition is that if there were a faith healer praying in every kindergarten the kids wouldn’t get infections in the first place.) A few Tartuffes would see the children writhe and heave in pain and then wring their hands in self-congratulatory piety and wonder why a good God would send such a terrible affliction on the innocent—surely he must have a plan! Most of us—every sane person in the city, actually—would tell the faith healers to go to hell, put off worrying about the Problem of Evil till Friday or Saturday or Sunday, and do everything we could to get as much penicillin to the kids as quickly we could.

We do live in such a city. Five thousand seven hundred and forty children and teens died from gunfire in the United States, just in 2008 and 2009. Twenty more, including Olivia Engel, who was seven, and Jesse Lewis, who was six, were killed just last week. Some reports say their bodies weren’t shown to their grief-stricken parents to identify them; just their pictures. The overwhelming majority of those children would have been saved with effective gun control. We know that this is so, because, in societies that have effective gun control, children rarely, rarely, rarely die of gunshots. Let’s worry tomorrow about the problem of Evil. Let’s worry more about making sure that when the Problem of Evil appears in a first-grade classroom, it is armed with a penknife.

There are complex, hand-wringing-worthy problems in our social life: deficits and debts and climate change. Gun violence, and the work of eliminating gun massacres in schools and movie houses and the like, is not one of them. Gun control works on gun violence as surely as antibiotics do on bacterial infections. In Scotland, after Dunblane, in Australia, after Tasmania, in Canada, after the Montreal massacre—in each case the necessary laws were passed to make gun-owning hard, and in each case… well, you will note the absence of massacre-condolence speeches made by the Prime Ministers of Canada and Australia, in comparison with our own President.

The laws differ from place to place. In some jurisdictions, like Scotland, it is essentially impossible to own a gun; in others, like Canada, it is merely very, very difficult. The precise legislation that makes gun-owning hard in a certain sense doesn’t really matter—and that should give hope to all of those who feel that, with several hundred million guns in private hands, there’s no point in trying to make America a gun-sane country.

As I wrote last January, the central insight of the modern study of criminal violence is that all crime—even the horrific violent crimes of assault and rape—is at some level opportunistic. Building a low annoying wall against them is almost as effective as building a high impenetrable one. This is the key concept of Franklin Zimring’s amazing work on crime in New York; everyone said that, given the social pressures, the slum pathologies, the profits to be made in drug dealing, the ascending levels of despair, that there was no hope of changing the ever-growing cycle of violence. The right wing insisted that this generation of predators would give way to a new generation of super-predators.

What the New York Police Department found out, through empirical experience and better organization, was that making crime even a little bit harder made it much, much rarer. This is undeniably true of property crime, and common sense and evidence tells you that this is also true even of crimes committed by crazy people (to use the plain English the subject deserves). Those who hold themselves together enough to be capable of killing anyone are subject to the same rules of opportunity as sane people. Even madmen need opportunities to display their madness, and behave in different ways depending on the possibilities at hand. Demand an extraordinary degree of determination and organization from someone intent on committing a violent act, and the odds that the violent act will take place are radically reduced, in many cases to zero.

Look at the Harvard social scientist David Hemenway’s work on gun violence to see how simple it is; the phrase “more guns = more homicide” tolls through it like a grim bell. The more guns there are in a country, the more gun murders and massacres of children there will be. Even within this gun-crazy country, states with strong gun laws have fewer gun murders (and suicides and accidental killings) than states without them. (Hemenway is also the scientist who has shown that the inflated figure of guns used in self-defense every year, running even to a million or two million, is a pure fantasy, even though it’s still cited by pro-gun enthusiasts. Those hundreds of thousands intruders shot by gun owners left no records in emergency wards or morgues; indeed, left no evidentiary trace behind. This is because they did not exist.) Hemenway has discovered, as he explained in this interview with Harvard Magazine, that what is usually presented as a case of self-defense with guns is, in the real world, almost invariably a story about an escalating quarrel. “How often might you appropriately use a gun in self-defense?” Hemenway asks rhetorically. “Answer: zero to once in a lifetime. How about inappropriately—because you were tired, afraid, or drunk in a confrontational situation? There are lots and lots of chances.”

So don’t listen to those who, seeing twenty dead six- and seven-year-olds in ten minutes, their bodies riddled with bullets designed to rip apart bone and organ, say that this is impossibly hard, or even particularly complex, problem. It’s a very easy one. Summoning the political will to make it happen may be hard. But there’s no doubt or ambiguity about what needs to be done, nor that, if it is done, it will work. One would have to believe that Americans are somehow uniquely evil or depraved to think that the same forces that work on the rest of the planet won’t work here. It’s always hard to summon up political will for change, no matter how beneficial the change may obviously be. Summoning the political will to make automobiles safe was difficult; so was summoning the political will to limit and then effectively ban cigarettes from public places. At some point, we will become a gun-safe, and then a gun-sane, and finally a gun-free society. It’s closer than you think. (I’m grateful to my colleague Jeffrey Toobin for showing so well that the idea that the Second Amendment assures individual possession of guns, so far from being deeply rooted in American law, is in truth a new and bizarre reading, one that would have shocked even Warren Burger.)

Gun control is not a panacea, any more than penicillin was. Some violence will always go on. What gun control is good at is controlling guns. Gun control will eliminate gun massacres in America as surely as antibiotics eliminate bacterial infections. As I wrote last week, those who oppose it have made a moral choice: that they would rather have gun massacres of children continue rather than surrender whatever idea of freedom or pleasure they find wrapped up in owning guns or seeing guns owned—just as the faith healers would rather watch the children die than accept the reality of scientific medicine. This is a moral choice; many faith healers make it to this day, and not just in thought experiments. But it is absurd to shake our heads sapiently and say we can’t possibly know what would have saved the lives of Olivia and Jesse.

On gun violence and how to end it, the facts are all in, the evidence is clear, the truth there for all who care to know it—indeed, a global consensus is in place, which, in disbelief and now in disgust, the planet waits for us to us to join. Those who fight against gun control, actively or passively, with a shrug of helplessness, are dooming more kids to horrible deaths and more parents to unspeakable grief just as surely as are those who fight against pediatric medicine or childhood vaccination. It’s really, and inarguably, just as simple as that

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...le-truth-about-gun-control.html#ixzz2FjYSUnSO
 
After watching that I understand why they don't want people to have guns, because they themselves are nothing more than a rabid dog. After watching that a$$hole trying his best I realized that Piers is a useless waste of human flesh. He lost it totally on that interview. He belongs in the anal compartment of Rosie O'Donnell.
 
Gun control will eliminate gun massacres in America as surely as antibiotics eliminate bacterial infections.
HaHaHa! Dream on! Gun control sure works in Mexico. By the way what are you smoking it sounds pretty good!
 
Piers was an idiot in that interview, he tried to match wits with a half wit although we get his point, just looked childish.

However, I would never want to live in a country where I felt compelled or encouraged by groups like the NRA or Gun Owners to have to carry a gun to protect myself from someone. That is a symptom of a morally bankrupt society and adding more guns is not the answer.
 
Thank you I have a lot of time to listen to constructive criticism but Piers blew me away with his self centered arrogance. The other fellow did not have much going for him except that he kept his cool.

Piers was an idiot in that interview, he tried to match wits with a half wit although we get his point, just looked childish.

However, I would never want to live in a country where I felt compelled or encouraged by groups like the NRA or Gun Owners to have to carry a gun to protect myself from someone. That is a symptom of a morally bankrupt society and adding more guns is not the answer.
 
All of this should end forever any hopes of those who would see any benefit of us separating and becoming the 51st state. Shoot me 1st if that ever happens.
 
After watching that I understand why they don't want people to have guns, because they themselves are nothing more than a rabid dog. After watching that a$$hole trying his best I realized that Piers is a useless waste of human flesh. He lost it totally on that interview. He belongs in the anal compartment of Rosie O'Donnell.

I don't know what scares me more: that fellow that Piers destroyed in argument, or the fact that you don't see it that way!
 
Back
Top