Gun Control in US and Canada
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tincan
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How so? I heard they are holding a press conference on Friday but they have been very tight lipped thus far.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-lobbying-money-national-rifle-association-washington-2012-12
The National Rifle Association is considered one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington.
The way it operates — including how it recruits and maintains an active membership — have given it outsize influence over lawmakers at the state and federal level.
Unlike corporate lobbyists, the power of the NRA comes from its massive membership and powerful activist base, as well as from millions of dollars from dues and corporate sponsors.
The gun owners who comprise the NRA are voters who are passionate about firearms, and tend to be fiercely loyal to the organization. The organization coordinates their hunting trips, funds their gun clubs, and teaches their kids how to shoot safely. In turn, the members, coupled with industry supporters, fund the NRA and are ready to mobilize when the group calls on them.
And while other lobbyists usually have rivals, the gun lobby's opposition doesn't have anywhere near the strength of support that the NRA has. Chris Cilizza points out that in 2010, the NRA spent more than $240 million more than the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, the biggest spender among gun control groups.
Because the NRA is simultaneously a lobbying firm, a campaign operation, a popular social club, a generous benefactor and an industry group, the group is a juggernaut of influence in Washington.
Paul Waldman at The American Prospect observes that Congress sincerely buys into the idea that the NRA is an all-powerful lobby. "Even after one of their own colleagues was shot in the head at a public event," he said in a New York Times opinion piece, "lawmakers did nothing."
The NRA's first foray into politics was the organization's 1980 endorsement of Ronald Reagan. In 30 years, they've built the most feared lobby in D.C. Here's how they built the pro-gun powerhouse that takes center stage in any discussion of gun control.
"The NRA" is actually around four different organizations that are financially interconnected and maintain common leadership.
The primary organization is the National Rifle Association of America, a 501(c)4 organization. This is the group that maintains the spokespeople, raises the money, counts the members, recruits volunteers, and raises awareness and encourages the use of firearms. They advertise, hold conventions, convince country singers and actors to raise awareness about gun use, produce training materials and coordinate volunteers.
Within the National Rifle Association of America is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action. This is the NRA main lobbying and campaign operation. NRA-ILA maintains a staff of lobbyists to support pro-gun legislation, and runs most of the election operations for the organization, producing and buying advertisements in support of pro-gun candidates and against gun control advocates. The NRA-ILA also manages the NRA Political Action Committee, which contributes money directly to candidates.
The NRA is also connected to a 501(c)3, the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, which does pro-bono legal work for people with cases that have to do with constitutional Second Amendment rights. Essentially, if the CRDF finds a case that could lead to a new interpretation of the Second Amendment, they'll send in the cavalry and pay the bill. They're currently litigating cases in 35 states about the right to posses, use, and carry arms.
In addition, the organization is connected to the NRA Foundation, another 501(c)3 that raises and donates money to hundreds of different causes. In 2010, recipients included hundreds of organizations including outdoors groups, sportsmen's associations, state Fish & Game departments, ROTC organizations, 4-H groups, Boy Scout councils, and children's charities. Much of this went to purchasing equipment and training to encourage the recreational use of firearms.
These four different prongs make the NRA one of the most powerful — and rich — groups in D.C.
The NRA is able to maintain and cultivate a vast membership, leading to gains in negotiation ability and funds from membership dues. They're able to ally with industry and serve as an intermediary between manufacturers and the public.
The NRA-ILA influences legislation and tries to recruit congressional allies to push their goals through by leveraging the massive membership in the NRA. Then, the NRA-CRDF works to expand the interpretation of those laws in the courts. And the NRA Foundation, with funds from some of those corporate donors, recruits new gun users and NRA supporters, loyal new members.
As a result, the organization is fantastically wealthy. According to the most recent available filings with the IRS, in 2010:
The National Rifle Association of America had total revenue of $227.8 million and assets worth $163 million.
The NRA Foundation had assets of $80.4 million and raised $21.2 million.
The CRDF raised $875,500 and has $4.4 million in assets,
The NRA spent $9.9 million on the NRA-ILA
In 2012 the NRA Institute for Legislative Action spent $7.5 million on federal elections on 66 candidates according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Separately, the NRA PAC spent $9.5 million in the 2012 election.
In essence, it's a combination of the organizational structure and finances that make the NRA so very powerful in DC.
They're able to brandish claims of a vast membership, recruited through contributions to local organizations by the Foundation. They're able to lean on the most ardent supporters, dues-paying members of the National Rifle Association of America. They're able to raise vast amounts of money from gun manufacturers, distributors, retailers and users.
This combination of legitimate grassroots support, loyal activism and vast amounts money is hard for lawmakers to ignore, particularly if they represent a swing district or state where the NRA wields a significant amount of influence.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-...-association-washington-2012-12#ixzz2FRkODexV
http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-lobbying-money-national-rifle-association-washington-2012-12
The National Rifle Association is considered one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington.
The way it operates — including how it recruits and maintains an active membership — have given it outsize influence over lawmakers at the state and federal level.
Unlike corporate lobbyists, the power of the NRA comes from its massive membership and powerful activist base, as well as from millions of dollars from dues and corporate sponsors.
The gun owners who comprise the NRA are voters who are passionate about firearms, and tend to be fiercely loyal to the organization. The organization coordinates their hunting trips, funds their gun clubs, and teaches their kids how to shoot safely. In turn, the members, coupled with industry supporters, fund the NRA and are ready to mobilize when the group calls on them.
And while other lobbyists usually have rivals, the gun lobby's opposition doesn't have anywhere near the strength of support that the NRA has. Chris Cilizza points out that in 2010, the NRA spent more than $240 million more than the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, the biggest spender among gun control groups.
Because the NRA is simultaneously a lobbying firm, a campaign operation, a popular social club, a generous benefactor and an industry group, the group is a juggernaut of influence in Washington.
Paul Waldman at The American Prospect observes that Congress sincerely buys into the idea that the NRA is an all-powerful lobby. "Even after one of their own colleagues was shot in the head at a public event," he said in a New York Times opinion piece, "lawmakers did nothing."
The NRA's first foray into politics was the organization's 1980 endorsement of Ronald Reagan. In 30 years, they've built the most feared lobby in D.C. Here's how they built the pro-gun powerhouse that takes center stage in any discussion of gun control.
"The NRA" is actually around four different organizations that are financially interconnected and maintain common leadership.
The primary organization is the National Rifle Association of America, a 501(c)4 organization. This is the group that maintains the spokespeople, raises the money, counts the members, recruits volunteers, and raises awareness and encourages the use of firearms. They advertise, hold conventions, convince country singers and actors to raise awareness about gun use, produce training materials and coordinate volunteers.
Within the National Rifle Association of America is the NRA Institute for Legislative Action. This is the NRA main lobbying and campaign operation. NRA-ILA maintains a staff of lobbyists to support pro-gun legislation, and runs most of the election operations for the organization, producing and buying advertisements in support of pro-gun candidates and against gun control advocates. The NRA-ILA also manages the NRA Political Action Committee, which contributes money directly to candidates.
The NRA is also connected to a 501(c)3, the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, which does pro-bono legal work for people with cases that have to do with constitutional Second Amendment rights. Essentially, if the CRDF finds a case that could lead to a new interpretation of the Second Amendment, they'll send in the cavalry and pay the bill. They're currently litigating cases in 35 states about the right to posses, use, and carry arms.
In addition, the organization is connected to the NRA Foundation, another 501(c)3 that raises and donates money to hundreds of different causes. In 2010, recipients included hundreds of organizations including outdoors groups, sportsmen's associations, state Fish & Game departments, ROTC organizations, 4-H groups, Boy Scout councils, and children's charities. Much of this went to purchasing equipment and training to encourage the recreational use of firearms.
These four different prongs make the NRA one of the most powerful — and rich — groups in D.C.
The NRA is able to maintain and cultivate a vast membership, leading to gains in negotiation ability and funds from membership dues. They're able to ally with industry and serve as an intermediary between manufacturers and the public.
The NRA-ILA influences legislation and tries to recruit congressional allies to push their goals through by leveraging the massive membership in the NRA. Then, the NRA-CRDF works to expand the interpretation of those laws in the courts. And the NRA Foundation, with funds from some of those corporate donors, recruits new gun users and NRA supporters, loyal new members.
As a result, the organization is fantastically wealthy. According to the most recent available filings with the IRS, in 2010:
The National Rifle Association of America had total revenue of $227.8 million and assets worth $163 million.
The NRA Foundation had assets of $80.4 million and raised $21.2 million.
The CRDF raised $875,500 and has $4.4 million in assets,
The NRA spent $9.9 million on the NRA-ILA
In 2012 the NRA Institute for Legislative Action spent $7.5 million on federal elections on 66 candidates according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Separately, the NRA PAC spent $9.5 million in the 2012 election.
In essence, it's a combination of the organizational structure and finances that make the NRA so very powerful in DC.
They're able to brandish claims of a vast membership, recruited through contributions to local organizations by the Foundation. They're able to lean on the most ardent supporters, dues-paying members of the National Rifle Association of America. They're able to raise vast amounts of money from gun manufacturers, distributors, retailers and users.
This combination of legitimate grassroots support, loyal activism and vast amounts money is hard for lawmakers to ignore, particularly if they represent a swing district or state where the NRA wields a significant amount of influence.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-...-association-washington-2012-12#ixzz2FRkODexV
Rum Buddies
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Gunsmith
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easy access to assault weapons and ammunition designed to kill humans(he used hollow point bullets).
Just for your information most target match bullets are hollow point and are only designed to kill paper. Soft point ammunition is the type that is designed to provide humane kills on animals.
.22 rimfires are available in hollowpoints and not designed to kill humans.
Fragmentation bullets are only available to police and ARE designed to kill humans.
Just for your information most target match bullets are hollow point and are only designed to kill paper. Soft point ammunition is the type that is designed to provide humane kills on animals.
.22 rimfires are available in hollowpoints and not designed to kill humans.
Fragmentation bullets are only available to police and ARE designed to kill humans.
lorneparker1
Banned
This thread was getting a bit close to the bottom so i figured id add something else i have been thinking/ looking into.....
Everyone is pleading for gun control in the US and I agree that it's way to loose Although as mentioned, i dont believe regulating weapons would help in these mass crimes. But how about some medication control? Yet another killer who was being "treated" with psychotropic drugs. The psychiatric industry is big business and rakes in over $300 BILLION / year. An estimated 3000 deaths a month, half of all suicides, and over 90% of mass shootings are being linked to these "medications" and yet nothing is being done about it. Why? Because the FDA is run by a panel of physicians who benefit directly or indirectly from the sales. The regulators are also the sellers. Does anybody else think this is a problem? Every emotional and spiritual issue has been reduced to a label so that they can "treat" you. They could cure you, but then they wouldn't be able to "manage" your disorder for the rest of your life. What a joke. These "disorders" apply to ALL OF US. There is no tests for any of these so how are you being diagnosed? You're prescribed medication in the first 5 minutes of meeting the doctor. Did you see an ad on TV that sounded like you? Do you struggle with sadness? Trouble sleeping? Low energy? Me Too! Don't you think if you actually had a "chemical imbalance" then you would have had to take a test and seen some sort of measurable results? I'm sorry to tell you, there is no test, because it's a big fat lie. They don't care about you. They don't care about your kids. You don't have social anxiety disorder, you're shy, it's normal to be nervous when talking to a crowd. You don't have ADHD, you're easily distracted, so are most of us. Kind of hard not to be when we surrounded by so much media. You're not bipolar, you have emotional ups and downs. Its called life. These are all emotions that make us HUMAN. We all go through it. It helps to eat fresh foods, drink lots of water, stay active, meditate once in a while or pray,
teach others, have fun. I'm sickened when I see how many kids are being medicated and taking about what kind of "disorder" they have. They are kids for crying out loud. Childhood is not a mental disorder. The marketing is so good that teachers are doing most of the referrals now. Schools now have psychologists that can "diagnose" and treat on the spot. WTF! They tried pushing their agenda on me and my son when he was in grade 1. I'm sure most parents feel like they are doing the right thing. Now we see another great tragedy. The worst one i have ever seen. And then I find out that he has been medicated with mind altering drugs his entire life. Then I do some more research and realize that every other recent mass shooting has the same theme. A medicated killer. They feel absolutely no emotion go psychotic, the warnings are all over the place. Is this a surprise to anyone? When will it end? MAYBE WE CAN STOP ******* WITH NATURE
OK im done for now
Have at er!
Lorne
Everyone is pleading for gun control in the US and I agree that it's way to loose Although as mentioned, i dont believe regulating weapons would help in these mass crimes. But how about some medication control? Yet another killer who was being "treated" with psychotropic drugs. The psychiatric industry is big business and rakes in over $300 BILLION / year. An estimated 3000 deaths a month, half of all suicides, and over 90% of mass shootings are being linked to these "medications" and yet nothing is being done about it. Why? Because the FDA is run by a panel of physicians who benefit directly or indirectly from the sales. The regulators are also the sellers. Does anybody else think this is a problem? Every emotional and spiritual issue has been reduced to a label so that they can "treat" you. They could cure you, but then they wouldn't be able to "manage" your disorder for the rest of your life. What a joke. These "disorders" apply to ALL OF US. There is no tests for any of these so how are you being diagnosed? You're prescribed medication in the first 5 minutes of meeting the doctor. Did you see an ad on TV that sounded like you? Do you struggle with sadness? Trouble sleeping? Low energy? Me Too! Don't you think if you actually had a "chemical imbalance" then you would have had to take a test and seen some sort of measurable results? I'm sorry to tell you, there is no test, because it's a big fat lie. They don't care about you. They don't care about your kids. You don't have social anxiety disorder, you're shy, it's normal to be nervous when talking to a crowd. You don't have ADHD, you're easily distracted, so are most of us. Kind of hard not to be when we surrounded by so much media. You're not bipolar, you have emotional ups and downs. Its called life. These are all emotions that make us HUMAN. We all go through it. It helps to eat fresh foods, drink lots of water, stay active, meditate once in a while or pray,
teach others, have fun. I'm sickened when I see how many kids are being medicated and taking about what kind of "disorder" they have. They are kids for crying out loud. Childhood is not a mental disorder. The marketing is so good that teachers are doing most of the referrals now. Schools now have psychologists that can "diagnose" and treat on the spot. WTF! They tried pushing their agenda on me and my son when he was in grade 1. I'm sure most parents feel like they are doing the right thing. Now we see another great tragedy. The worst one i have ever seen. And then I find out that he has been medicated with mind altering drugs his entire life. Then I do some more research and realize that every other recent mass shooting has the same theme. A medicated killer. They feel absolutely no emotion go psychotic, the warnings are all over the place. Is this a surprise to anyone? When will it end? MAYBE WE CAN STOP ******* WITH NATURE
OK im done for now
Have at er!
Lorne
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"Because the FDA is run by a panel of physicians who benefit directly or indirectly from the sales. The regulators are also the sellers. Does anybody else think this is a problem? "
If this were actually true, I would think this is a problem. But back up your statement with evidence.
If this were actually true, I would think this is a problem. But back up your statement with evidence.
lorneparker1
Banned
Honestly i dont have any proof, but there is alot of articles around. It was an off cuff the cuff statement, but i would say its a pretty good assumption. Kinda like there are people in the CFIA in the back pocket of fishfarms. the continous TERRIBLE desicion making and the "rushing" of approving drugs seems a bit much.
You can google FDA conspriacy and read for years.
heres some links to get you started.
http://www.thelosangelespost.org/fda-corruption-charges-letter-verified/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/06/27/a-health-care-reform-law-for-the-fda/
http://www.focuschiropractic.ca/article/1388.html
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gunnerlove
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No assault rifles have been added to the US market since the 1986 Machine Gun Ban was put into place. If you want a legal assault rifle they currently start at $20 000 and there is a pile of paperwork to get through, that is if you are even in a state that would allow you to posses one. The media calls most semi automatic rifles "assault rifles" because they are ignorant of the facts, or they are fear mongering (take your pick).
CIVANO
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Gun control really is a piece of the puzzle, and it will be interesting to see how the president rolls out the changes
This is the same administration who shipped 2500 assault rifles to Mexico. Now they are going to propose laws to ban them? They should be banned but these crooks are not the ones to trust with writing the law.
This is the same administration who shipped 2500 assault rifles to Mexico. Now they are going to propose laws to ban them? They should be banned but these crooks are not the ones to trust with writing the law.
ChoveyRoller
Member
Chain reaction to media fear..........
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/1...-assault-weapons-armored-backpacks-83292.html
Record sales of AR 15's in the last few days. We live in an odd world.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/1...-assault-weapons-armored-backpacks-83292.html
Record sales of AR 15's in the last few days. We live in an odd world.
Gunsmith
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Kudos to you High Five, you would know first hand what issues there are. I have friends and relatives with children and some themselves have what would be classed as a mental disorder. Their biggest issue is not the mental issue it is the lack of support and proper treatment that is a problem, the next biggest hurdle is recognition and acceptance from society which to me is a distant light at the end of the tunnel and it seems to get dimmer all the time.
There are people out there with no contact or support for their condition and I am not saying that they are the cause of such incidents but their treatment indicates a total detachment of society from reality and that to me is something that has to change soon.
There are people out there with no contact or support for their condition and I am not saying that they are the cause of such incidents but their treatment indicates a total detachment of society from reality and that to me is something that has to change soon.
the rate of mental issues in the US is no different than anyother country in the world, thats a fact. the access to violent video games is the same, worldwide, thats also a fact. what set my country apart is the easy access to semi-automatic weapons. it is more difficult to get a drivers license than to purchase a semi-automatic anything, thats also a fact.
now if you look at Australia as a wonderful example, they banned ALL semi-automatic weapons and within a pretty brief time interval, 4-5 years, saw a drop in homicides using firearms of around 47%, thats also a fact.
the language of 'assault weapons' is a slippery one and simply needs to be modified to exclude from purchase all semi-automatic weapons. that would mean not loading up any bill for consideration with 200 some odd exceptions as happened the last time around.
yes, it would be quite easy to exclude semi-automatic shotguns, no more that 2 in the magazine, and box magazine rifles, no more than 4 rounds in the box magazine.
and there you have it, a simple solution for what appears on the surface to be a very complex problem.
now if you look at Australia as a wonderful example, they banned ALL semi-automatic weapons and within a pretty brief time interval, 4-5 years, saw a drop in homicides using firearms of around 47%, thats also a fact.
the language of 'assault weapons' is a slippery one and simply needs to be modified to exclude from purchase all semi-automatic weapons. that would mean not loading up any bill for consideration with 200 some odd exceptions as happened the last time around.
yes, it would be quite easy to exclude semi-automatic shotguns, no more that 2 in the magazine, and box magazine rifles, no more than 4 rounds in the box magazine.
and there you have it, a simple solution for what appears on the surface to be a very complex problem.
fish stalker
Active Member
Haha that is going to be a long butt list. Have u seen those new Chinese guns. The can shoot bullets that will turn a corner to get guys standing inside windows or around door ways. Fricken insane.
Edit I thought you said u did want it lol
Rum Buddies
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Rum Buddies
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"According to FBI statistics, youth violence has declined in recent years as computer and video game popularity soared. We do not claim that the increased popularity of games caused the decline, but the evidence makes a mockery of the suggestion that video games cause violent behavior," ESA president Michael Gallagher is quoted as saying
Gunsmith
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Well if you do believe that then fine! I for one will not say that is had had no effect whatsoever.
