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It’s all marketing people fear blood clots from the vaccine because the media told them it’s a concern. It’s on the news almost every day.

it’s all in the reporting. The media could pick x medial problem and terrify people add that to endless government up dates and it’s all over course.

just wondering from Thoes older people who have been vaccinated now for 2-3 weeks are you seeing your children or grand children yet or are you still staying away?
 
In related news, today May 8th is the anniversary of the eradication of smallpox from the planet. The disease which had an R0 of 3.5 to 6, a fatality rate of 10 to 30% (depending on the strain) and long term effects for survivors that included blindness, disfiguring rashes and infertility, killed hundreds of millions in the last century alone. The disease was declared eradicated this day in 1980 thanks to world wide vaccination campaigns and improvements in vaccine delivery. No cases of naturally occurring smallpox have been recorded in 41 years:

 
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i have been looking at a boat for sale in bellingham. how or what is needed during covid to get it across??
 
It's not media marketing when someone you care about gets the blood clot or you. Once it happens to you the probabilities are out the window.

Far more likely that someone's daughter, friend or mother gets a blood clot from birth control.

Agreed for those who have a rare side effect it is nothing but critical. But for everyone else, the statistics matter.
 
Far more likely that someone's daughter, friend or mother gets a blood clot from birth control.

Agreed for those who have a rare side effect it is nothing but critical. But for everyone else, the statistics matter.
The rate of adverse events for The AZ vaccine is very low, but people still need to make informed choices. The choice they make is not get AZ or no vaccine, it is to get AZ when offered, or wait some period of time to get what The National Advisory Committee on Immunization called a preferred mRNA vaccine. The supply of these is ramping up. You can make simple calculations to see what risk you are taking. These are average numbers, but data is available by age group from the CDC.

Daily risk of getting Covid- currently about 1/8000 in BC (700 cases in a population of 5 million)
Chances being hospitalized with Covid if infected about 1/30
Chances of dying of Covid if infected about 1/200 - (varies by age)
Therefore:
Average daily odds of getting Covid and being hospitalized are about 1/240,000
Average daily odds of dying from Covid are about 1/1,600,000

With a 1/100,000 chance of death with the AZ vaccine from clots, a delay of 16 days in getting the MRNA after refusing the AZ vaccine would expose you to about the same risk of dying from Covid as getting the AZ vaccine. Off course this is using some average numbers, for Younger women who seem to be at a higher risk of adverse events with AZ and a low chance of death from Covid the time they could delay would be longer. The odds of dying from the either the AZ vaccine or Covid are very small for most of us. One other consideration with the AZ vaccine is its efficacy is about 70% vs 95% for mRNA. Some percentage of people who get sick after being vaccinated will be hospitalized and a few will die, the CDC has identified thousands of fully vaccinated people who have gotten sick, and some have died. One needs to take into consideration the risks associated with still getting sick post vaccine.

I agree with the NACI, my choice would be to delay and get the mRNA if I had only a choice of either or.
 
The rate of adverse events for The AZ vaccine is very low, but people still need to make informed choices. The choice they make is not get AZ or no vaccine, it is to get AZ when offered, or wait some period of time to get what The National Advisory Committee on Immunization called a preferred mRNA vaccine. The supply of these is ramping up. You can make simple calculations to see what risk you are taking. These are average numbers, but data is available by age group from the CDC.

Daily risk of getting Covid- currently about 1/8000 in BC (700 cases in a population of 5 million)
Chances being hospitalized with Covid if infected about 1/30
Chances of dying of Covid if infected about 1/200 - (varies by age)
Therefore:
Average daily odds of getting Covid and being hospitalized are about 1/240,000
Average daily odds of dying from Covid are about 1/1,600,000

With a 1/100,000 chance of death with the AZ vaccine from clots, a delay of 16 days in getting the MRNA after refusing the AZ vaccine would expose you to about the same risk of dying from Covid as getting the AZ vaccine. Off course this is using some average numbers, for Younger women who seem to be at a higher risk of adverse events with AZ and a low chance of death from Covid the time they could delay would be longer. The odds of dying from the either the AZ vaccine or Covid are very small for most of us. One other consideration with the AZ vaccine is its efficacy is about 70% vs 95% for mRNA. Some percentage of people who get sick after being vaccinated will be hospitalized and a few will die, the CDC has identified thousands of fully vaccinated people who have gotten sick, and some have died. One needs to take into consideration the risks associated with still getting sick post vaccine.

I agree with the NACI, my choice would be to delay and get the mRNA if I had only a choice of either or.

Where is the 1/100,000 chance of death from AZ coming from? I have not seen numbers that high, unless I missed something new.
 
Where is the 1/100,000 chance of death from AZ coming from? I have not seen numbers that high, unless I missed something new.
There have been 700,000 AZ doses in Canada with 7 reported incidences of VITT, (so incidence is about 1/100.000) but not all 7 have been fatal, (I think 5 have) so death rates are probably bit lower than 1/100,000, closer to 1/150,000 or so.
 
i have been looking at a boat for sale in bellingham. how or what is needed during covid to get it across??
Maybe this thread can answer Trophywife’s question and leave the medical/scientific affairs to the professionals?? I’m not sure what value this thread is adding 14 months through the pandemic if a simple question like this cannot be discussed and answered.
 
There have been 700,000 AZ doses in Canada with 7 reported incidences of VITT, (so incidence is about 1/100.000) but not all 7 have been fatal, (I think 5 have) so death rates are probably bit lower than 1/100,000, closer to 1/150,000 or so.
The number of asscoiated deaths in Canada was 3 as of May 6th. (see link below) Data including Europe and North America is that the incidents of death indicate deaths due to blood clots are more at the rate of 1 in one million or lower. One also has to consider what the differential rate is not the absolute rate. There is some risk of blood clots regardless.

The larger & more important objective of vaccination is also being forgotten or pushed aside here. The objective is to vastly reduce the potential level of morbidity not just death so we can move beyond social distancing, masking in public and a truncated economy with the hardships it places on many people. It's too avoid the sort of public health care disasters that are happening in India and Brazil, that were on the verge of happening in parts Ontario & Quebec and now in Alberta where they seem to be on the cusp of such an event. Each individual needs to weigh in their social obligation to get a vaccine as much as the risk very small risk to their health from vaccine side effects.


It's estimated that VITT occurs in one in every 100,000 to 250,000 vaccinations, according to Hinshaw. Stonehouse is the second person in Alberta with a confirmed case. More than 253,000 doses of AstraZeneca or CoviSHIELD/AstraZeneca have been administered in the province. Last month, Quebec reported Canada's first death of a patient after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine. On Wednesday, a second VIIT death was confirmed, in New Brunswick.
 
So it looks like Alberta will stop giving the AZ vaccine as a option for a 1st dose. I personally support this move. We are seeing more & more MRNA vaccines coming in. Also at this time Alberta is vaccinating the low risk & Younger age groups. These people have little to no chance of dying from Covid. No one should expect them to take on unnecessary risk. I hope the other Canadian provinces make the same move.

"The European Union, meanwhile, has opted not to renew its AstraZeneca contracts, which expire in June. In Norway, an expert panel is urging both AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines be ditched over the blood clot scare."

Attached is an interesting article. Its unfortunate that groups of people want to muzzle scientist.
 
So it looks like Alberta will stop giving the AZ vaccine as a option for a 1st dose. I personally support this move. We are seeing more & more MRNA vaccines coming in. Also at this time Alberta is vaccinating the low risk & Younger age groups. These people have little to no chance of dying from Covid. No one should expect them to take on unnecessary risk. I hope the other Canadian provinces make the same move.

"The European Union, meanwhile, has opted not to renew its AstraZeneca contracts, which expire in June. In Norway, an expert panel is urging both AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines be ditched over the blood clot scare."

Attached is an interesting article. Its unfortunate that groups of people want to muzzle scientist.
Meanwhile in fantasy land Trudeau and Dr. Tam were again stating Canadians need to "take whichever shot is offered to them" on a press conference this morning. They believe people need to take the risk of a very serious adverse event, which could be as common as 1/26,000 when 2 safer, and more effective vaccine options are available. Take AZ and you get a chance at a serious adverse event and a 6X higher chance of getting a breakthrough case of symptomatic Covid-19 if exposed than with a mRNA vaccine. Seems like a no brainer which to choose!
 
How is Dr Morris muzzled? He is on the Ontario covid advisory Panel & a google search shows a number of previous media interviews and articles. He also isn't the only specialist making this recommendation, two others are quoted in the article .The National Post article also states that 2 million of 2.3 million astrazeneca has been administered, only 3 deaths to date. Best evidence so far is that the risk of a VITT clot is gone within 3 to 4 weeks after it was administered. By all means stop using it now if that's best for public health. The sputnik vaccine has a higher efficiency (90%) and no reports of blood clot risk and the main difference between the 2 is the Sputnik used a human gene while astrazeneca uses a chimpanzee gene as does the J&J. Maybe both can be redeveloped use the same human gene.
 

B.C. records first case of rare blood clot after AstraZeneca vaccine​

May 6, 2021

VANCOUVER -- B.C. has recorded its first case of a rare response to the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine that causes blood clots.

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry announced during a news conference on Thursday that the province had seen its first case of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia - or VITT.

The patient who developed the condition is a woman in her 40s, Henry said, adding that the patient is in stable condition and receiving treatment in hospital in the Vancouver Coastal Health region.

VITT happens after about one in every 100,000 doses of AstraZeneca, the provincial health officer said, noting that there is a test to determine if a person has developed the syndrome and there is treatment available.

"I recognize it can be alarming to hear of this blood clot," said Henry. "If you are somebody who's received this vaccine, you need to know that it is rare, and it is treatable, and you can be confident that you have received a safe and effective vaccine."

Henry encouraged anyone who has received any vaccine in B.C. and is experiencing significant side effects such as shortness of breath, persistent severe headache, chest or abdominal pain, or swelling in the limb to call 811 or consult their family doctor.

She acknowledged the anxiety some people may feel as a result of the rare possibility of VITT, and sought to reassure people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine.

"Take a deep breath and be reassured that this is rare, that physicians know what to do, and that if you have any concerns that you can contact your health-care provider, you can go to the emergency department if it's severe, and also you can call 811, and we can get you assessed and treated if needed," Henry said.

VITT most often manifests between four and 28 days after receiving a first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine, Henry said, noting that the woman who developed the condition in B.C. started experiencing symptoms on day five or six.

"She followed up with her family doctor, who recognized that this might be related and did a blood test," Henry said. "We've put out information to all physicians in British Columbia to remind them of the things to do, and the symptoms to look for."

The provincial health officer added that the process of detecting B.C.'s first case of VITT "happened as it should happen," and praised the woman and her physician for noticing the symptoms and getting a test done quickly.

She also stressed that the AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and effective.

"This is an excellent vaccine," Henry said. "We only need look at places like the U.K. to see how effective it is in preventing transmission, making sure that you are protected yourself, but also protecting your family and those that you are closest to."



I would add that get your medical advice from a website like BC CDC and not a fishing site.
http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/dis...oring-vaccine-uptake-safety-and-effectiveness
 
So it looks like Alberta will stop giving the AZ vaccine as a option for a 1st dose. I personally support this move. We are seeing more & more MRNA vaccines coming in. Also at this time Alberta is vaccinating the low risk & Younger age groups. These people have little to no chance of dying from Covid. No one should expect them to take on unnecessary risk. I hope the other Canadian provinces make the same move.

"The European Union, meanwhile, has opted not to renew its AstraZeneca contracts, which expire in June. In Norway, an expert panel is urging both AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines be ditched over the blood clot scare."

Attached is an interesting article. Its unfortunate that groups of people want to muzzle scientist.
So Alberta is going against what Dr Morris is recommending.

"It’s time to halt AstraZeneca shots in Canada, except for people 40 or older in hotspots" Andrew Morris



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British Columbians may be able to choose vaccine other than AstraZeneca for 2nd dose, says Dr. Bonnie Henry

Provincial health officer is keeping an eye on U.K. research and thinks mixing and matching could be likely
May 11, 2021


British Columbians who received the AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine as their first dose will likely be able to choose whether they want their second vial filled with the same vaccine, the province's top doctor has said.

Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry says as shipments of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines increase, switching up the type of shot for the second dose is a possibility, as long as it is proven to be safe and effective.

"I expect people will have a choice," she told Stephen Quinn, host of CBC's The Early Edition, on Tuesday morning.

Henry said she is closely watching research being done now in the United Kingdom, where about 60 per cent of people were given AstraZeneca for their first shot. Researchers at Oxford University launched a study in early February to explore the possible benefits of alternating different COVID-19 vaccines.

Henry's comments come as the AstraZeneca vaccine faces continued scrutiny in jurisdictions around the world after it was linked to vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT), an extremely rare blood clot disorder. Some provinces are considering pausing the vaccine's use altogether.
Henry reiterated on Tuesday that the vaccine is safe — and suggested that following a dose of AstraZeneca with an mRNA vaccine like Pfizer or Moderna could perhaps be even more effective in fighting the coronavirus than two doses of the same shot.

Vaccines like AstraZeneca force an immune response from the harmless version of the virus, while mRNA vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna give immune cells instructions to make the COVID spike protein and produce antibodies.
"AstraZeneca probably stimulates what we call the cell mediated immunity, or the memory cells, a little bit better than the mRNA. So I think it's likely that if you get a single dose of AstraZeneca and a booster dose with mRNA, you might get the best of both worlds," Henry said.

Henry said some of the safety data from the U.K. study has been reassuring so far and she expects to see more details on the efficacy of combining vaccines in the next couple of weeks.

Well-stocked with shots​

Millions more mRNA vaccine shots are expected in Canada over the coming weeks — Pfizer alone will deliver two million shots each week in May before ramping up to 2.4 million a week next month — meaning there should be enough supply to vaccinate AstraZeneca recipients with a second dose of a second product.

"We're moving into a place now where we can use the [mRNA]. They're the ones that we're going to have more of in the next little while," said Henry.

According to the federal government, B.C. had received 2,657,520 total vaccine doses as of May 11, of which 315,000 vials were AstraZeneca and the bulk were the two mRNA vaccines.

In a statement to CBC Tuesday afternoon, the provincial health ministry said AstraZeneca is safe and effective but that B.C. is not expecting any additional supply in the short term and that the vaccination effort will continue primarily with Pfizer and Moderna.

"We do expect to receive additional AstraZeneca to ensure everyone can receive their second dose, or if they prefer to receive AstraZeneca over a mRNA vaccine or have contraindications to mRNA, like an allergic reaction," said the ministry.

Henry described AstraZeneca as "the vaccine that can't get a break" due to the controversy around it.
She said it has been a very important component of B.C.'s vaccine program, particularly in March and April when cases were rising and there were limited amounts of mRNA vaccines on hand.

"People need to be reassured that it's a good thing to have, particularly at the period of time that we needed it," she said.
Premier John Horgan, speaking to reporters Tuesday afternoon, said he has no qualms about getting a second shot of AstraZeneca.

"My wife and I were immunized with AstraZeneca. I fully expect to get a second shot when I'm advised that I'm ready to go and I know my spouse feels the same way," said the premier.

Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's chief public health officer, said last week the current guidance is for AstraZeneca recipients to get a second dose of the same product, but the National Advisory Committee on Immunization is reviewing the Oxford research on mixing AstraZeneca with an mRNA shot.

According to Health Canada data, around 1.7 million AstraZeneca doses have been administered in Canada as of April 24.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/henry-astrazeneca-plans-1.6022263
 
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So a week ago some of you same guys were all pro AZ and suddenly your not? What changed?
 
So a week ago some of you same guys were all pro AZ and suddenly your not? What changed?


Things move quickly. Science is never settled. 8 months ago we were told mask were not necessary. 1 month ago Trudeau said Covid doesn't know borders & that closing international borders was useless. As we learn more we adjust the course. Its my first Pandemic so I am still figuring it out.
 
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