New Halibut Regulations Update

Im not sure how ethics has anything to do with a 8/0 hook buried in a halis gut that you have to relaease because its too big.


If you've got your over size fish and are still targeting halibut with no room on any other licenses for an over sized fish, I kinda question the ethics of still fishing for the 15lb fish. If you wish to continue targeting halibut, maybe try pinching the barb on a circle hook. Otherwise I might suggest targeting salmon or lings.
 
If you've got your over size fish and are still targeting halibut with no room on any other licenses for an over sized fish, I kinda question the ethics of still fishing for the 15lb fish. If you wish to continue targeting halibut, maybe try pinching the barb on a circle hook. Otherwise I might suggest targeting salmon or lings.

I hope im not the only one that things there is something hugely wrong with this.
 
Well said Searun,,, the SFAB put in countless hours to help all sport fishermen! Guides or non guides. Weather you like the decision or not they did what they felt best for us all!! So let's suck it up and fight this together, and for the guys really whining join in the meetings , get involved in the decision making then you might have a *****!!
 
Doesnt seem like you have to much to suck up man. Doesnt effect you so who cares right!

quoted from the other thread



http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?18752-Early-Bird-Ticket-Night
What does it matter Roy ? 99% of the People are day trippers. So doesn't make a difference.

And if there's 3 or 4 guys per boat it doesn't mean everybody is going to get 4 large each day. No prob at all!


Anyway guys, we are just pounding sand here. Get involved.


NEXT SFAB meetings

COMOX DFO OFFICE MONDAY MARCH 19TH 9:30AM. (I KNOW SUPER CONVIENIENT FOR THE AVERAGE WORKING GUY)
WEDNESDAY MARCH 21 AT THE SHERATON IN VICTORIA 7PM
AND PORT ALBERNI MARCH 26TH 6PM (THIS IS GONNA BEA GOODER!!) I DONT KNOW THE LOCATION YET.

BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
 
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Perfect, can't wait to see you there. Bring the boxing gloves. LOL

By the way, it is an SFAC meeting.
 
Washington state has been hit harder that us, and somehow even they manage to salvage some kind of season.
Looking for words of wisdom Charlie..... please.:)[/COLOR]

Washington state has been screwed for several years now. The ocean halibut season just south of the BC border is only 4 days....Thats right, 4 days, and here in Washington we don't consider that a "salvage of some kind of a season", it's more like bend over and take it in the *ss,, cause commercial exploitation and bycatch take a much higher priority.

I spend big bucks to go fish WCVI every August and this summer may be my last, and that is coming from a fanatic WCVI hardcore fisherman of over 20 years.

Just myself, I've personally spent over $100,000.00 fishing BC waters since the early 90's, and that's not including those that have traveled with me.

This DFO plan of attack has me puzzled. Is it really the charter association that wanted this 83 cm thing, or could it be the commercial side throwing thier weight around, like what generally happens in Washington state. I would lean towards the latter. Whatever the case may be, I will always love the awesome beauty of the west coast of british columbia, and respect the decisions those in power make that impact so many lives, but that doesn't mean I will agree with those decisions.
 
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Good advise for every fisherman to take when the halibut shut's down in August.

I am hoping your wrong John. Otherwise it was a clear case of f@ck the sportfisherman. I hope that the guys discussing this change had some assurance that it would extend the season by at least 2 months. Time will tell.
 
I am hoping your wrong John. Otherwise it was a clear case of f@ck the sportfisherman. I hope that the guys discussing this change had some assurance that it would extend the season by at least 2 months. Time will tell.

It's going to shut down in August IMHO. We can't go over our TAC this year. They are not going to grace us this year. The slot thing will do nothing. Some folks tried to do something that has been tried before in Alaska that failed previously. This will fail as well. If it doesn't then I will eat crow. Like you said time will tell.
 
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Actually last year the area with the slot limit went under it's TAC by a couple million pounds for the first time since 2003 (I think it was 03)...so it will do something.
 
I think to be able to fish a longer season is great. It gives the average, not for profit fisherman a chance to put a halibut on the table past august, as well as a guide or lodge to continue business until a later date, not a bad thing especially in this economy. The hard work people do at these meetings and beyond, (I gather its all volunteer), is impressive to say the least, no matter the side they take in a cause (I have never attended).
Few average Joe fisherman like myself get the oppertunity to fish Halibut regularily, and by that I mean a handful of 'chances' per year. (weather, location, skill, money permitting).
That being said, I've fished your Vancouver Island Ports and Inlets (They're aweeesome!!) and they are PACKED during the summer months. BUT I've also fished them in the off-season, and not to far off off-season, and we are the ONLY rig in sight. Come October, the ports are literal ghost towns, no offense to the living that still reside in the colder months!
As far as tourism, to see another boat that wasn't a scowly winter local was a rarity. The lodges are qiuet, the gas dock, you HOPE someone is there...

So after reading all these darn Hali threads, Good, Bad, Ugly (has that been done yet??), I wonder where is all this guided business going to be this year in October? Should I book in advance, will I still be paying peak summer rates? I'm left thinking that ALOT of the tourists, including yanks and mainlanders like meself, target SALMON, not halibut, and if a chance for halibut presents itself, you TAKE IT, because these are the only reliable fishable months available to us on the west coast. But to try and plan a trip strictly for halibut is not as easy as we would all like it to be.

I know I will be trying for a Halibut well after August, Thanks SFAB?C?, and the captain of the boat!, but I wonder how many people who plan their one trip a year are going to book after September, or October, for that late seaon Halibut? Probably the same as last year, zero.

A solution to those slow after-summer months (Lodges, Guides....listen close...) Buy a 50 ft offshore sport fisher...on days with low seas, go for Tuna, on days with higher seas, stay in for Halibut!!! THEN you can make fiscal use of the longer season...rather than waiting for me to show up and by your first bag of ice and case of beer in a month or two, while I stupidly try for a Halibut in October or November...have you SEEN the weather 'round hurrr??

Not sure what I am getting at, these are just the opinions of an Average Fisherman. See you on the coast, keep the pumps warm!

Round Trip with BC Ferries is just shy of $600 for a fullsize truck and 22' boat....something to factor in somewhere on the topic of what we go through to catch a gat-damn halibut!

_FB

edit, again: so has there been a closing date set, Im guessing not yet..."I will fish after august...regs permitting haha"
 
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Actually last year the area with the slot limit went under it's TAC by a couple million pounds for the first time since 2003 (I think it was 03)...so it will do something.

Which fishery? I am assuming Alaska. I didn't know they were on the slot since 2003. I thought it was more recent like last year only.
 
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After rereading my posts from last night I want to apologize to people I may have offended. To the SFAB members and Chairs I would also like to apologize to you too for my rant last night. I do realize that your job is a thankless one, and I would like to thank you for the job you have done .
It is just that I do not believe in a slot limit fishery for any fish. I do realize that the SFAB was just trying to do the best thing for everyone but I think you came up a little short this time. I think a better option would have been to push the start and end date back (say maybe May to October) and maybe leave some of the TAC on the table for next year. This is when the bulk of the people fish anyway.
Someone asked last night what I meant by going down a dangerous road this is. What I meant was, now that we are going with this it is just another tool for DFO to whittle away the pie. Every year the pie has gotten smaller.
Anyway to the SFAB I will be there on the 21th and will try to do a better job of trying to get to more meetings in the future. Casper
 
Washington state has been screwed for several years now. The ocean halibut season just south of the BC border is only 4 days....Thats right, 4 days, and here in Washington we don't consider that a "salvage of some kind of a season", it's more like bend over and take it in the *ss,, cause commercial exploitation and bycatch take a much higher priority.

I spend big bucks to go fish WCVI every August and this summer may be my last, and that is coming from a fanatic WCVI hardcore fisherman of over 20 years.

Just myself, I've personally spent over $100,000.00 fishing BC waters since the early 90's, and that's not including those that have traveled with me.

This DFO plan of attack has me puzzled. Is it really the charter association that wanted this 83 cm thing, or could it be the commercial side throwing thier weight around, like what generally happens in Washington state. I would lean towards the latter. Whatever the case may be, I will always love the awesome beauty of the west coast of british columbia, and respect the decisions those in power make that impact so many lives, but that doesn't mean I will agree with those decisions.


It would help to sent your letter off to the Minister of Fisheries and if you already have send another Thanks
 
After rereading my posts from last night I want to apologize to people I may have offended. To the SFAB members and Chairs I would also like to apologize to you too for my rant last night. I do realize that your job is a thankless one, and I would like to thank you for the job you have done .
It is just that I do not believe in a slot limit fishery for any fish. I do realize that the SFAB was just trying to do the best thing for everyone but I think you came up a little short this time. I think a better option would have been to push the start and end date back (say maybe May to October) and maybe leave some of the TAC on the table for next year. This is when the bulk of the people fish anyway.
Someone asked last night what I meant by going down a dangerous road this is. What I meant was, now that we are going with this it is just another tool for DFO to whittle away the pie. Every year the pie has gotten smaller.
Anyway to the SFAB I will be there on the 21th and will try to do a better job of trying to get to more meetings in the future. Casper

I'm glad to see you apologize to the hard working volunteers and that you're going to the meetings. I too would have liked to see the season start in May but the early season is important to the south Island fishers and we are all in the same boat regarding Halibut quota.

Let's catch some Halis in August and Sept when the ocean conditions are the safest and start working on a long term solution.

cheers
 
Change is inevitable , I'm not saying give up the fight, but lets realize theres a big machine running this....
Don't get me wrong, i'm not happy either but we have to find a way to make it work to our best advantage
until funding can be achieved to challenge this in court.

Washington state has been hit harder that us, and somehow even they manage to salvage some kind of season.
Looking for words of wisdom Charlie..... please.:)

Words of wisdom? From me - I will be glad to do that! About the wisest thing a Canadian can do right now is contact the Governor General and - get Harper IMPEACHED! That would actually make history as there has never been a Prime Minister in Canada impeached before. The reason would be - “loss of confidence”! :)

DFO is just playing the “game” as directed by Harper and his other authoritarian clones. If you don’t want to play the game anymore then take them to court and while you are at it - get your all fisheries back into “PUBLIC TRUST” for the people of Canada, where it belongs!

Washington has a VERY small halibut fishing season. You can count those days on your fingers and toes and still have some toes left over. FYI... it is better than our prawn season in Puget Sound, I can count the entire season on one finger - as in a "ONE DAY" season and it always fall on a day I can't go.

If one looks the “guided” sport slot limit in Alaska did work. It dropped the harvest by about half in 2011; of course, what some forget to mention is the number of guides and lodges that limit forced out of business; plus the local communities devastated. But, hey… the commercial sector (who lobbied for that) still maintained their 16.4 average. They are going to a “reverse slot limit” in 2012 with under 45" or over 68" and that does make more since, as those midsize breeders are the most productive. Those big old females are at or near the end of their life and breeding cycle anyway. I wouldn't worry about bonking one or eating, if you can get past all those worms.

Will the slot limit increase your season? If it doesn’t DFO will have a lot of explaining to do and will really look like a FOOL! If the average weight was reduced by three pounds, on 68,399 pieces equates to be 205,197 pounds. Theoretically, would be enough to increase the fishing to a “full season.” Good theory, but in reality - to costly to enforce, won't be monitored, and no - it really will not work. Now with that said, going back to DFO looking like a FOOL. I assure they will extend the season by just playing with the numbers and putting out their famous PR stating how great it worked. When in fact all they will do is play with the numbers and could have done that and left it 1/2.

The problem is DFO’s has NO accountability, not the size or number of halibut taken. If you can get the accountability issue fixed, you probably wouldn’t need a slot limit, going back to the 2/2.

Take a look at the Tables produced by DFO in their IPHC 2011 report. Area 1 had 8,533 biological samples, with 4,023 of those verified. Total pieces harvested was 10,125 pieces weighing 121,637 pounds. 97% of the biological samples were provided to DFO by the major lodges. I would have to think with 8,533 samples out of a total of 10,125 pieces that is 84.28% of total pieces were actually weighed. That average weight of 10.4 pounds reported has to be accurate as hell.

Looking at Area 2 things start changing. There is 3,745 biological samples and only 985 verified. The average weight is based off those at 23.84 pounds. Total weight harvested of 140,036 pounds is on an estimated 5,875 pieces, which means 63.74% of the catch was actually sampled and accurate. The rest, estimates from “overflights” and Creel Surveys. Still… I guess while not likely, it is believable to some that the halibut average weight is 13.44 pounds larger on the south end of the island. That is a BIG difference of average weights!

Don’t even get me started on Area 3 and 4. All I can say there, read the Creel Reports yourself. Those are strictly guesstimates and inaccurate numbers coming from “overflights” and “trailer counting”! If anyone is fishing that area, I would highly suggest giving those Creel surveyors information, as that very much is: **** in - **** out!

I will skip the rest; and just jump to onother of my favorites – Area 19, I guess the only thing I can only say there is - DFO did a great job with those estimates based on a TOTAL of 151 Creel Surveys. That equates to ONLY 8% of estimated pieces being confirmed and accurate information. Now since those 151 biological samples happened to average 28.81 pounds, EVERY halibut in Area 19 weighs 28.81 pounds? That is on an estimated 1,876 pieces, totaling 54,400 pounds. AND, with only 8% biological samples (real fish) DFO can accurately estimate Area 19 harvest using “overflights” and “counting trailers.”

IMHO, whether you like it or not – you really need to be completeing those surveys, doing those logbooks, and playing the game with DFO or - they WILL continue to punish you by their high estimating!

FYI… Before jumping all over the guides and lodges, some might want to check those average weights, along your reviewing the laws and regulations a little closer. The “slot limit” has very little if any effect, and for all practical puposes means nothing to lodges in Area 1; including Langara Fishing, Langara Island, and the Oak Bay Marine Group lodges. Plus, they are ALL “licenced sport-catch processors” anyway. I believe might also find and realize why all those “sport-catch processors” are so busy. There really is a difference in possession limit, transporting sport caught fish, and having anything legally processed in your possession.

“Canning, smoking, salting, or curing your catch is not allowed other than at a person’s ordinary residence, and at commercial establishments licensed to process sport-caught fish. The business must supply appropriate documentation stating the species and the number of fish canned. Canning of non-tidal species other than salmon is not permitted.”

In a nut shell, regardless of who, what, when, and where; it is now - what it is. You are stuck with it and it is only going to get worse and probably the worse part is Harper is changing and/or trying to change all your laws to support all his really "BAD" programs. If and when he gets done - game over as the Supreme Court will uphold all those laws he is changing (e.g. his already changed your law and enviormental groups opposed to the piplines where they now fall under his new law classified as "Eco-Terrorist"!)

That enough of wisdom for one day Scott?
 
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Which fishery? I am assuming Alaska. I didn't know they were on the slot since 2003. I thought it was more recent like last year only!

As Charlie's response references the reduction in catch in Alaska was more a function of the fact tourist anglers stayed away in droves due to the slot restrictions put in place NOT because they actually reduced the average harvest for those who actually fished. The numbers I've seen show the slot limit didn't significantly drop the average catch/harvest. So, if the intent was to reduce harvest by scaring folks away from the halibut fishery in BC, the Alaska example shows that it may be successful. However, if anyone thinks that the effort will remain the same as in previous years and the slot limit will do anything to reduce the season they need to look at the numbers and ask a couple questions.

First question - does it not seem curious that this imposed regulation did not come with any guarantee of an extended season or even an explanation of what effect on the season, both in number of extra weeks or reduced poundage it will likely have from either DFO of SFAB? Why has no one seen any numbers or how this will be monitored and tallied through the season to be effective? I read a lot of talk on this board about how great this is because of the extended season as if it's fact when, not only is it not fact, not only has it not been explained or shown to have a measurable effect by anyone, but it actually defies the logic of the actual numbers ... so let's look at those numbers.

If you look at the numbers used by DFO for halibut catch for multiple past seasons posted by Charlie not too long ago, you'll see that the average halibut harvested exceeds the 15 lb slot limit in only three composite areas, and one of those by only a couple of pounds. Thus in all other areas, a 15 lb slot won't affect an average as it's already there (though it will **** off/screw those lucky enough to get two over 15 pounds!!). In the three areas where the average is over 15 pounds a certain number of anglers will be local day trippers or single day charters so the possession limit restriction doesn't apply so the existing average would still apply and thus no savings. Of the remaining fishermen, the slot limit only applies to one of two days fishing, so on the first day fishing, again, the existing avg would apply. Thus a reduced average size only applies to 50% (i.e. 1 of 2 days ) of a fraction (i.e. only those targeting a possession fish) of effort in only 3 areas. In order for the average to actually be reduced in practice in those three areas, which also happen to be the land of giant halibut, you have to pretend that the folks taking a two day possession don't bonk a monster between 100-250 lbs for their first fish, because again, this would render the slot size ineffectual. Even disregarding that last fact, any model would only be able to predict a reduced average harvest size for 20-40% of effort in only 3 fishing areas!

I've modeled a number of scenarios using Charlies numbers using from conservative to ultra conservative assumptions and my projection range, based on a full fishing season, is a total rec harvest between 1.3 million and 1.85 million pounds. The ultra-conservative scenario exceeds the rec TAC by about 300,000 pounds. As we all know there is minimal effort after Sep 30, most lodges and charters are long since shut down and rec anglers on to hunting and fall family life, thus the 1 million pound threshold will likely be hit in early August, if not sooner .... just like last year ... So, just like Charlie said in his last post - the slot limit isn't going to change anything to extend the season when put into practice.

While I can't say that all the optimism and blind faith shown on this site is a bad thing, I can't claim to understand it given the absence of assurances and provision of facts in regard to the prospective season. Hopefully along with the enthusiasm for participation in the process this issue has inspired so to will folks start asking the hard questions so they can base their involvement and participation on the information at hand.
 
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