scott craven
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Yep, way better than any wire I have run...
even the backing braid was breaking under stress so obviously there's a need to check.
first thing that alerted me was the line color fading out...
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Yep, way better than any wire I have run...
even the backing braid was breaking under stress so obviously there's a need to check.
first thing that alerted me was the line color fading out...
Sr SQ
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Interesting, I wonder what the cause would be.............?
Could it be possible you got some poor quality or knock-off braid?
I have run the same braid for many years ( more than 6) with no troubles but my boat is stored in a garage and not subject to the sun unless I am using it.
Do your riggers sit outside all year?
The spectra (dyneema) braids should have little effect form UV up here as tests down south have reviled little affect from UV
This is from PP website on UV resistance:
Spectra® is one of the most UV resistant fibers. The loss of strength depends on the line’s specific construction, but generally the sort of small diameter line used for lifelines will lose about 15% of their tensile strength (=85% of original tensile strength) after 6 months of continuous strong sun exposure (testing in Mexico and Arizona) and at 5 years will retain about 60% of its tensile strength.
Line size should be selected to compensate for this UV reduction in tensile strength. 3/16” stainless wire has a tensile strength around 3800lbs, while 3/16” Spectra® single braid has tensile strength around 5,800lbs. So, picking the same size Spectra® as wire will roughly allow for equal strength after 5 years of intense UV.
Could it be possible you got some poor quality or knock-off braid?
I have run the same braid for many years ( more than 6) with no troubles but my boat is stored in a garage and not subject to the sun unless I am using it.
Do your riggers sit outside all year?
The spectra (dyneema) braids should have little effect form UV up here as tests down south have reviled little affect from UV
This is from PP website on UV resistance:
Spectra® is one of the most UV resistant fibers. The loss of strength depends on the line’s specific construction, but generally the sort of small diameter line used for lifelines will lose about 15% of their tensile strength (=85% of original tensile strength) after 6 months of continuous strong sun exposure (testing in Mexico and Arizona) and at 5 years will retain about 60% of its tensile strength.
Line size should be selected to compensate for this UV reduction in tensile strength. 3/16” stainless wire has a tensile strength around 3800lbs, while 3/16” Spectra® single braid has tensile strength around 5,800lbs. So, picking the same size Spectra® as wire will roughly allow for equal strength after 5 years of intense UV.
scott craven
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Definitely not a knock off, it was power pro 200lb.
My boat sits outside covered, but I don't think that would have any bearing
as the braid is not really exposed to U.V.
Would appear that they acknowledge deterioration over time...
My boat sits outside covered, but I don't think that would have any bearing
as the braid is not really exposed to U.V.
Would appear that they acknowledge deterioration over time...
My braid is the original Scotty 300 pound. Its 5 years old and I drop maybe two balls a season. Good stuff.
Sr SQ
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Thats the equivalent to 25 years of the UV radiation we get lol
I guess I gotta keep an eye on mine.
Englishman
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Scott,
I am curious why you and Seadna say that braid outlasts stainless cable. Since cable is impervious to UV light, and will not nick or abrade against pulley rims I am at a loss to understand these comments. Simply hosing the cable spool down with freshwater after every trip and you get zero rusting or corrosion. You might get kinks but you can easily clip off a few feet and re-crimp, which sure as hell beats reversing the braid.
I cannot see why it is not possible to get 10 or more years out of stainless cable.....
JAC
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Scotty braid on a scotty rigger and you done. Make sure that if you have riggers that had steel cable on previously there are no groves and sharp points in your pulleys. I also like the tuna cord or scotty has some new leaders to run with the braid also. I tie a big swivel in for the stopper. If you run a metal boat and have a voltage issue the braid help!!
Englishman
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B....bbb..But it is not just me who gets (got) random snapping issues, High Five.! This is what Scott's post is all about for goodness sake!! Only this time he and the posters that followed have identified UV as a the culprit. Go back and read the thread......
So, my question stands. I am still curious as to why Scott believes braid is "way better than any wire I have run". Especially given the latest information provided by other posters of UV deterioration.
After a season or two of fishing hard your wire will be kinked, twisted and it will show rust. When you winter fish and put 200ft of cable out do you really think your rinsing that bottom 100ft of cable that gets wound up under the top 100ft? No your spray down only rinses the surface wire there will be lots of salt held in the spool since you had so much line out. Nobody fishing hard is getting 10 seasons out of wire.
Once your wire starts getting those little frays replace it. Cutting off 15 ft can help but usually new frays develop quickly once the wire starts going. I've had wire snap at the auto stop too - for stacking wire sucks those stops are hard on the line you almost need to kink it to put them on. - but not with braid.
Use what you like but you won't convince a braid guy wire is better they already had that debate and made their choice.
Once your wire starts getting those little frays replace it. Cutting off 15 ft can help but usually new frays develop quickly once the wire starts going. I've had wire snap at the auto stop too - for stacking wire sucks those stops are hard on the line you almost need to kink it to put them on. - but not with braid.
Use what you like but you won't convince a braid guy wire is better they already had that debate and made their choice.
scott craven
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Roland, personal preference thats all.
I think I switched the one rigger to braid in '08 (maybe '07)
so I've got 6 full seasons without reversing it.
I never got that with wire, and I don't have to deal with kinking,fraying,rust etc.
Degree of Freedom
Active Member
I switched to braid 7 years ago...never regretted it for a minute. If you're too cheap to replace your line every couple years then expect to lose a few balls.
Can't remember the last lost ball that was anything other than operator error. But to each his own...
Can't remember the last lost ball that was anything other than operator error. But to each his own...
Rum Buddies
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lol - I threw my black box out years ago. I also eat bananas while I'm fishing.
bigbruce
Crew Member
Positive Ion Control is used to auto stop the motor on the Cannon downrigger when bringing the line up. When the ss line breaks the water, the motor shuts off. Cannons don't use those little line clips like Scotty to trip the shut off, so without ss line, the Cannon motor won't automatically stop.
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