Alberni Inlet springs
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IronNoggin
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KeRist!
steel_dreamin
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so by my calc's FN's are good for another 4 years (7400/1900).
That is how it works, right?
That is how it works, right?
IronNoggin
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Not likely to be ANY ramifications for that particular "Sector" methinks.
That would make the catch between just the FN's and Commercial nets ~ 10,600.
Given the small return number forecast for this run, are there now plans to close the Recreational Sector down?
No further netting by anyone??
If not, there certainly SHOULD BE IMHO!!
Un-Freaking-Believable!!!
Nog
That would make the catch between just the FN's and Commercial nets ~ 10,600.
Given the small return number forecast for this run, are there now plans to close the Recreational Sector down?
No further netting by anyone??
If not, there certainly SHOULD BE IMHO!!
Un-Freaking-Believable!!!
Nog
Degree of Freedom
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TAC was set at 10,000 for all sectors, I believe...WTF happened to that?
IronNoggin
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August 19, 2012
Chinook: Approximately 34,000 Somass chinook are forecast to return to Barkley Sound and Alberni Inlet in 2012. The predicted adult age composition is 5%, 33% and 62% of 3, 4 and 5-year olds, respectively. Given the age composition, about 24,000 spawners are required to meet the 57.2M egg target for the system. Therefore, about 10,000 Somass chinook are available for harvest in the ‘terminal fishery’ from Alberni Inlet seaward to Barkley Sound.
Well... Now that has been blown all to RatS**t, just what the hell is the Department planning to do in response?
I for one certainly will NOT kill (or even target) another spring here. I hope the balance of the anglers feel the same way!
To do so would be putting Personal Greed on a higher pedestal than the run's basic Survival!!
What the FN's have done, if these numbers are anywhere close, is beyond ATROCIOUS!
They HAD to realize what they were doing...
And just where the hell was DFO in this mess beyond launching it?
Obviously NOT ensuring any form of Compliance.
Again... UnFreakingBelievable!!!
Nog
Chinook: Approximately 34,000 Somass chinook are forecast to return to Barkley Sound and Alberni Inlet in 2012. The predicted adult age composition is 5%, 33% and 62% of 3, 4 and 5-year olds, respectively. Given the age composition, about 24,000 spawners are required to meet the 57.2M egg target for the system. Therefore, about 10,000 Somass chinook are available for harvest in the ‘terminal fishery’ from Alberni Inlet seaward to Barkley Sound.
Well... Now that has been blown all to RatS**t, just what the hell is the Department planning to do in response?
I for one certainly will NOT kill (or even target) another spring here. I hope the balance of the anglers feel the same way!
To do so would be putting Personal Greed on a higher pedestal than the run's basic Survival!!
What the FN's have done, if these numbers are anywhere close, is beyond ATROCIOUS!
They HAD to realize what they were doing...
And just where the hell was DFO in this mess beyond launching it?
Obviously NOT ensuring any form of Compliance.
Again... UnFreakingBelievable!!!
Nog
Derby
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August 19, 2012
Chinook: Approximately 34,000 Somass chinook are forecast to return to Barkley Sound and Alberni Inlet in 2012. The predicted adult age composition is 5%, 33% and 62% of 3, 4 and 5-year olds, respectively. Given the age composition, about 24,000 spawners are required to meet the 57.2M egg target for the system. Therefore, about 10,000 Somass chinook are available for harvest in the ‘terminal fishery’ from Alberni Inlet seaward to Barkley Sound.
Well... Now that has been blown all to RatS**t, just what the hell is the Department planning to do in response?
I for one certainly will NOT kill (or even target) another spring here. I hope the balance of the anglers feel the same way!
To do so would be putting Personal Greed on a higher pedestal than the run's basic Survival!!
What the FN's have done, if these numbers are anywhere close, is beyond ATROCIOUS!
They HAD to realize what they were doing...
And just where the hell was DFO in this mess beyond launching it?
Obviously NOT ensuring any form of Compliance.
Again... UnFreakingBelievable!!!
Nog
Just saw your e-mail you just sent out ..got to agree with you on what you have said.. Not sure if you wanted it shared on the forum...
IronNoggin
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Thanks Derby. Appreciated.
In a nutshell I just informed our SFAC that I can NOT support any further removals of this run by ANY Sector whatsoever, including ours.
If the numbers are close, we are at 216 % of the suggested harvest number on a run size as predicted. Insanity.
Something MUST be done, and if that means curtailing our efforts for the benefit of the fish, so be it.
Angry Enough? I am there and a tad beyond at this point...
Nog
eaglemaniac
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I would like to know where to hell is all the fish that the natives have had access to this season going? There must be a system in place to distribute such an abundance of food and ceremonial fish. Just wondering.
IronNoggin
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"Economic Fisheries" = Commercial in every sense of the word. SOLD. Period.
While some were FSC fish, the vast majority are legally commercially caught fish.
Nog
eaglemaniac
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I am thoroughly disgusted with that. When did the Natives gain a greater percentage of the catch and why is the commercial sector so passive about it? That whole fishery stinks. eman
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finaddict
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Ah yes.... Our great "Stewards of the land" once again exercizing their first class citizen rights brought on by white guilt and apathy. Don't like it? too f'ing bad, beecause the Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that your opinion does not matter. Want it changed? You will need to organize a revolt of such outstanding proportions as to threaten the very existence of Canada before anything will happen. Only when the atypical suburbian and city dweller has his own personal property threatened would there ever be a voice loud enough to go against the SCC, and even then it would be questionable.
Sorry guys, that ship has sailed. Get use to it.
Sorry guys, that ship has sailed. Get use to it.
eaglemaniac
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Bing Bang Boom, good one fin eman
eman
Islandgirl
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This entire scenario is just like PA sockeye. Dfo is 40 000 short of their escapement and they
Authorize another native commie fishery on the run in late July or early Aug. Everyone said Ok cause the proceeds were going to salmon enhancement projects of the Bands choice. I have not heard where those $$ went??
Would love to know. At last count still 30 000 fish short of Dfo's own escapement target.
If anyone does any research about albermi chinook you will also realize that in 2011 the commie sector also overharvested about 3x as many as they were allowed.
Authorize another native commie fishery on the run in late July or early Aug. Everyone said Ok cause the proceeds were going to salmon enhancement projects of the Bands choice. I have not heard where those $$ went??
Would love to know. At last count still 30 000 fish short of Dfo's own escapement target.
If anyone does any research about albermi chinook you will also realize that in 2011 the commie sector also overharvested about 3x as many as they were allowed.
GLG
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That may be about right but why is it right?
What happened to the DFO rules as to the amount to be harvested this year in the commercial industry.
Why are they so far over.
Has DFO sized this overage from whomever caught them?
Who is responsible for this complete disaster?
Will there be charges laid against those responsible?
Can you get us an official response to my questions.
GLG
Islandgirl
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GLG
If you do some digging on this forum alone you will see that this
Over harvest by both native and commies sectors has happened 3 out of the past 4 years on chinook I believe in PA.
Nog has pleaded in the past years to fishers not to bonk springs in the river because there was not enough escapement.
If you do some digging on this forum alone you will see that this
Over harvest by both native and commies sectors has happened 3 out of the past 4 years on chinook I believe in PA.
Nog has pleaded in the past years to fishers not to bonk springs in the river because there was not enough escapement.
Big Green Machine
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I would like to know where to hell is all the fish that the natives have had access to this season going? There must be a system in place to distribute such an abundance of food and ceremonial fish. Just wondering.
Most bands who have the funds to align legal support have been granted access to fish since the Nisga agreement, those that have can do what they want. Not news at all.
