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Don't expect TC to come and inspect your boat any time soon. I have 2 boats, one was inspected when the program launched, the other I was told when I went in to Nanaimo to complete all my C number registration will not happen for 2 years. There are over 200 other guys on the inspection list and only one inspector...you do the math. I was told that because I have been through the inspection process and have been completing the annual inspections I will likely be on the wait list for a long time. They are in essence relying upon self inspection and self compliance. Part of the SVOP course is to help each operator complete the inspection based on a knowledge of commercial vessel general safety.

At the moment the program requires each operator to hold a C license, plus SVOP (Nov 1/09), MED A3 and VHF operators card. You are required to have all these documents plus your C license registration available for inspection on the water. Failure will result in fines. I didn't believe they would enforce this, but I did see 2 fellow guides get fined at Browns Bay in October.

I asked the TC guys if they are planning enforcement anytime soon, telling them the whole program was viewed by the guides as a huge joke. I also told them anyone who has spent the cash to make their boat comply is being looked upon as a fool etc. What they told me is not to worry, we will see surprise inspections this coming summer on the water and in the home ports.

So, I guess we will have to wait and see if in fact they back up the program with enforcement. I for one would not recommend anyone who charters to ignore the requirements. For the most part, the safety modifications make sense and are intended to make your vessel as safe as possible.

I think as reputable operators, we should be complying because it makes good business sense and we can say to our customers with confidence our boats and training are good. After all, what good is catching fish and having fun if you don't return home safely.
 
200 boat waitlist, that's a big list! I am glad had my inspection done last Spring.


I had my C# documentation in about two months and the inspection was quick and painless for the most part, as i had it all ready to go. Haul out for through hulls, back in for the STAB test, fuel shutoffs, navlights, saftey gear, Med, First Aid certs ROC etc, electronics etc. It can be a gong show if your not all organized.

I was stopped by RCMP Marine Unit off Vic last season and in Mill Bay while prawning, they went through everything ensuring compliance. If you don't have the stuff you must at least prove you are attempting or waiting in limbo for it. If not, they will escort you and your guests back in. Or you could risk it and just go undercover with no Decals[?]



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Your right, the inspection is a breeze if you are organized and have all your equipment - I did mine with 8 other boats on the same day and for the guys who had no clue they landed up with a long list of compliance write up's. Like you my C license on the new boat took about 6 weeks. I was sure surprised by the length of the inspection list - I guess George is off sick so that leaves only one inspector for the entire province. Unless they hire someone soon, it will be a long time before anyone gets an inspection.
 
quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com


Here is something I ran across tonight re: QCL.

I will only copy part of it here, the rest is at:

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highli...bc/bcsc/doc/2005/2005bcsc880/2005bcsc880.html

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA

Citation:
Cuppen v. Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd. et al,

2005 BCSC 880


Date: 20050613



Docket: S017014

Registry: Vancouver

Between:

Doug Cuppen

Plaintiff

And

Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd. and Daigle
Welding & Marine Ltd.

Defendants







Before: The Honourable Madam Justice Brown

Reasons for Judgment

Counsel for the plaintiff
M.P. Katzalay
D. Chisholm



Counsel for the defendant
Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd.


J. Spears

Date and Place of Trial:
October 4 – 8
12 – 13; 15, 21 – 22;
November 1 – 5; 29;
December 1 – 3, 2004


Vancouver, B.C.



I. OVERVIEW

[1] The plaintiff, Doug Cuppen, was injured in a boating accident on June 21, 2001. He seeks damages for personal injury, loss of income and loss of opportunity from the defendant Queen Charlotte Lodge Ltd.

[2] The action was dismissed against the defendant Daigle Welding & Marine Ltd. before trial.

II. BACKGROUND FACTS

[3] Guests of the Queen Charlotte Lodge have a choice of fishing with or without a guide. The lodge provides 17-foot aluminium hulled boats for use of their guests. Each year, the lodge fits the boats for the season. Until 2001 these boats had been fitted with a 70 horsepower Johnson engine and a cable steering system. In 2001, the lodge switched to 75 horsepower 4 stroke Mercury engines, using the same cable steering system as had been used in 2000.

[4] In July 2001 the lodge began changing the steering systems on the boats from a cable steering system to an hydraulic steering system. Most of the guest-driven vessels were changed from cable steering to hydraulic steering in the months of July and August 2001.

[5] On June 21, 2001 Mr. Cuppen and his companion, Ms. Walsh, were guests of the Queen Charlotte Lodge. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh left the lodge in the boat provided by the lodge, with Mr. Cuppen at the helm. June 21st was a pleasant day and the waters were calm. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh had been trolling. Mr. Cuppen was powering the boat up to plane to move to a new area when the accident occurred. The boat veered suddenly to the left and went into a hard spin. Mr. Cuppen and Ms. Walsh were thrown in the boat. Mr. Cuppen hit the railing on the right side of the boat and broke his right femur.

[6] Mr. Cuppen was airlifted to Vancouver where his fracture was set. On June 26th he required further surgery. He was bed-ridden for the first few weeks after the two operations, was then in a wheelchair for a month and a half, and on crutches for the next few months. Through the fall of 2001 he attended physiotherapy. Eventually he was able to get around with a cane. By June 26, 2002 he was still experiencing pain over the implant to his femur. He required a third operation in December, 2002 to remove the pins and plate. After the third operation he again attended physiotherapy. He has recovered, although he is not able to attend all social functions that he would normally attend as the principal sales person and marketer for his business.

[7] Mr. Cuppen and his brother, Jack Cuppen, are equal shareholders in Mudmaster Drilling Fluid Services Ltd. Mudmaster sells drilling muds to oil drilling companies. The plaintiff was primarily responsible for sales for that business. Mr. Jack Cuppen was responsible for the technical services provided by that business. They shared the profits of the company equally.

[8] Mr. Cuppen’s claims for past wage loss and loss of opportunity arise from the loss of sales to one of Mudmaster’s clients, Devon Canada Drilling. After Mr. Cuppen’s injury, a sales employee with Mudmaster, Mr. Niewensteeg tried to assume Doug Cuppen’s sales responsibilities as well as his own, while Mr. Cuppen recovered from his injury. Mr. Niewensteeg was paid $48,842 in commission for the sales made to the Devon account from the period July 2001 to the end of the company’s 2002 fiscal year. Mr. Niewensteeg said that despite his efforts, he was not able to maintain the account. Since March, 2003, Devon has not purchased drilling mud from Mudmaster.

Go to Link above to read the rest.


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no kidding they are an accident waiting to happen. You get a some albertans out on the water near the QCI and they have no boating experience, scary.

not sure if I agree with the above law suit - its a cable system and usually pull to one side. Sounds like he hit the gas without holding the wheel tight. It wasn't negligence it was inexperience on his part.
 
quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

Hold on a minute young grasshopper...
Do you want me to send you photos of your boat with BC numbers last season...:D


www.coastwidesportsfishing.com
 
quote:Originally posted by richmake

quote:Originally posted by SerengetiGuide

What really "grinds me gears" is the Queen Charlotte big lodges...even chartered boats all have their BC numbers instead of C numbers...just take a look in their photo galleries...if you are going to do it for one...do it for all...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

Hold on a minute young grasshopper...
Do you want me to send you photos of your boat with BC numbers last season...:D


www.coastwidesportsfishing.com

I figured you would take photos [:p] however, we had already faxed our jazz to TC...and I carried the filled out forms and fax receipt with me on board ;)

www.serengetifishingcharters.com
 
Sorry to raise this thread from the the dead but when I used the search function this is what I found. Anyways, anybody had a Transport Canada inspection/certification done lately? What’s the timeline like now? I realize that we have a pandemic going on but just wondering if it’s still a two year wait?
 
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WOW read tru it all and was shocked searun said the same thing I said oh and we both predicted the same outcome 11 years ago and here we are same ****!!!!

To answer your question you dont need anything its NOW a self inspection no one inspects your boat anymore an its "vouluntary" so all I can say if give er have fun fishing and take out whoever ya want no one checks anyway. realistically though you still need you med ,svop,marine first aid and ROC and a ACR on boat but if you have no name or company on it no one will ever check ya

The blue decal is you so choose is NOT mandatory so do what alot do and just take people out. prime example is certain spots on the west coast you do however have to get a "C" number MANY do not some have US number some have a BC number ...
 
whats fire extinguish engine systems are guides using for I/O?
wondering as setting my twin engine berty up for "C" being compliant ....
 
All you have to do is put that access fire extinguisher nozzle hole into the side of dog house and a extinguisher on board and easy to get to it has to be inspected every year , maybe Rollie can tell us about the extinguishers etc as that is what he dos for a living.
 
I do very little with Transport Canada and commercial boats but as Roy said for some it is as simple as a properly rated portable CO2 Extinguisher that the nozzle can be pushed into a access hole to the engine compartment without having to open up the compartment and discharging it that way. If you require more than that will depend on the cubic volume of the engine compartment, size of boat, how many people you carry type of fuel etc. Best to call TC in Victoria for advice and do it once and right first time.
 
Thanks Rollie yes thats all i had to do and as you know its a 26 foot boat, im more then sure thats all you are gonna need
 
Want to see a **** show regarding guiding? Head to Tahsis and Esperanza.
Americans are all over the place 'with their friends' that just happen to show up at regular intervals.
The cops have NO interest in busting these operations. As well, a lot of the 'locals' are deficient in adhering to some of the regulations.
It's has rarely ever been a an issue for the guides...
 
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