Proposal By DFO - Changes to Prawn Daily Rec. Limit Being Considered

[OldBlackDog]

Rumours about what might happen or not are not the same as presenting something that could become a regulation by April.


I guarantee you that all the people involved in the Area 14 SFAC were shocked by this.

Motions have been made, however not a lot of faith they will make any difference.

We will await the departments reply from the Main Board as this effects all of B.C.

Not true. DFO has discussed this with the SFAB in loose conversations, and been told the predictable response. This is the first it has been formally introduced to the SFAB.

 

[Derby]

south coast meeting in a couple weeks will be interesting to say the least.... every one was shocked bye this one to say the least.....

 

[wildmanyeah]

If we recap the past few years

Daily limit of chinook has gone from 2 to 1.
Prawns from 200 to 100
Lingcod cuts
Rock fish cut
And halibut size reduced

Depending on area more or less

 

[wildmanyeah]

south coast meeting in a couple weeks will be interesting to say the least.... every one was shocked bye this one to say the least.....

Hope you guys have enough time to discuss all the issues.

 

[terrin]

If we recap the past few years

Daily limit of chinook has gone from 2 to 1.
Prawns from 200 to 100
Lingcod cuts
Rock fish cut
And halibut size reduced

Depending on area more or less

Halibut You mean cut from 2 per day 3 possesion to 1 smaller fish

 

[Aces]

How do they know that recreational prawning has increased over the years? Has anyone ever been asked how many prawns they caught in a year?

Not hard to figure out when there are 20 times the boats out there prawning in the winter compared to 10 years ago.

 

[ziggy]

It seems hard to believe we suddenly need a 50% reduction in catch! Was DFO asleep at the switch yet again? Much like the complete closures they instituted to protect Spring Salmon for whales, they once again are either over reacting or are totally incompetent. How did they not notice it until things were so bad until they needed a 50% cut as the only viable solution.

As was the case in the Spring Salmon Closure, they could have utilized a Spring non retention, but chose instead chose a finfish closure. In this case they could have chosen Pulse Fishing as is the case in places like Saanich Inlet, but instead chose a 50% reduction. DFO either is using a sledge hammer to kill a fly or are so incompetent they failed to see this problem until it kicked them in the nuts! I doubt you’d see them cut commercial interests by 50% ! Anyone else see a pattern here?

 

[searun]

Rumours about what might happen or not are not the same as presenting something that could become a regulation by April.


I guarantee you that all the people involved in the Area 14 SFAC were shocked by this.

Motions have been made, however not a lot of faith they will make any difference.

We will await the departments reply from the Main Board as this effects all of B.C.

Well, if you read the letter to the SFAB it sets out the framework and earlier discussions in writing - so I guess that is fake news.

"The discussion of the daily recreational Prawn limit has been ongoing between DFO and the SFAB starting with a facilitated face to face meeting in February 2017. A subsequent meeting was held in March 2018 where the topic was again discussed, and it was discussed again and the SFAB Groundfish/Shellfish Working Group in April 2018. The subject of considering changing the recreational Prawn limit has also been in the 2017 and 2018 Integrated Fisheries Management Plans (IFMP) for Prawn and Shrimp by Trap."

 

[searun]

If we recap the past few years

Daily limit of chinook has gone from 2 to 1.
Prawns from 200 to 100
Lingcod cuts
Rock fish cut
And halibut size reduced

Depending on area more or less

Yup, death by a thousand cuts.

 

[OldBlackDog]

Well, as I said before. People at the meeting were shocked.
Since you know who the members are at this meeting, one would not expect them to be.

But let’s see what happens at the next main board meeting, as this effects all.

Well, if you read the letter to the SFAB it sets out the framework and earlier discussions in writing - so I guess that is fake news.

"The discussion of the daily recreational Prawn limit has been ongoing between DFO and the SFAB starting with a facilitated face to face meeting in February 2017. A subsequent meeting was held in March 2018 where the topic was again discussed, and it was discussed again and the SFAB Groundfish/Shellfish Working Group in April 2018. The subject of considering changing the recreational Prawn limit has also been in the 2017 and 2018 Integrated Fisheries Management Plans (IFMP) for Prawn and Shrimp by Trap."

 

[fish brain]

south coast meeting in a couple weeks will be interesting to say the least.... every one was shocked bye this one to say the least.....

Is this the meeting Dec 1-2 at the conference center in Nanaimo?

 

[searun]

Saturday and Sunday




Dec 1 and 2





South Coast SFAC





Location: Vancouver Island Conference Center, Nanaimo

09:00 – 16:00

Contact: Brad Beaith

 

[Cuba Libre]

If conservation has nothing to do with it it just shows how we are not respected by dfo and in order for that to change civil disobedience / protests / lawful action (money needed for this one) has to occur and until it does will continue to be punching bag.

I agree Dave--- enough of this BS. DFO is NOT consulting-- they are just giving notice for us to bend over.

 

[searun]

All stems back to internal culture within some areas of Department that is pro-commercial because they believe the commercial fishery is a major economic contributor. The facts are both fisheries are roughly equal. In recent years with the commercial catch declining sharply the Rec fishery actually contributes more.

Our problem is as Rec fishers we sit back and allow that perception to prevail. Time for us to get out there and let the public know about the economic value the rec fishery brings to Canada!

 

[wildmanyeah]

Is their an allocation policy for shellfish?

 

[capt hook]

Here we go again.... slap the rec guys .... but what about commercial guys???
lets face it guys DFO does not want anyone, especially rec anglers on the water its coming clearer and clearer....

bluewolfcharters ?
sounds like your commie also?
WestCoasters need to go to the East Coast just to see how lucky we have it here.

 

[Cuba Libre]

Not true. DFO has discussed this with the SFAB in loose conversations, and been told the predictable response. This is the first it has been formally introduced to the SFAB.

Well, as I said before. People at the meeting were shocked.
Since you know who the members are at this meeting, one would not expect them to be.

But let’s see what happens at the next main board meeting, as this effects all.

OBD-- lets hope that the SFAB as a whole drops the ridiculous idea that because it is an "advisory group" they cant get political. And this applies to the BCWF as well. If DFO refuses to listen to any advice from the SFAC ( think SRKW restrictions ), then its time to get political . IMO if the SFAC does not tell DFO "NO" in no uncertain terms then they will have lost ALL credibility. For 20 years I have sat on our local SFAC and have watched the gradual erosion of the relevance of the SFAB. Remember halibut ?? It took picketing of MPs offices , lobbying in Ottawa , major press exposure that threatened MPs seats , and a whole bunch letters and emails to get just a small gain. The SFAB, and SFAC's have to learn from that-- as do anglers and related organizations. This BS has rightly been called " An all assault on recreational fishing" . Time for all of us to grow a set and send a one word message to the Minister and DFO ..NO !

 

[wildmanyeah]

You could probably take DFO to court and say that DFO is not consulting though the SFAC process they are merely just using it as a platform to inform.

Are they acting on any of the motions?

Some of the regulation changes we have asked for have been in the works for 10 years or more. How many of the motions are going unanswered?

In the Sara steelhead webinar I attended they said that the best way to be herd was though the SFAC process. They touted that process as representing all sports fishermen.

Then again tho fishermen actually have to show up as well if that's the process.

 

[agentaqua]

It's Laurie Convey - again! Been ruled in the courts numerous times that conservation requirement trumps even FSC needs. Ok - if it is indeed that - a conservation need that is. If it is - where's the data? Should be easy to prove - right?

 

[OldBlackDog]

If conservation, then ALL groups should take a hit.

It's Laurie Convey - again! Been ruled in the courts numerous times that conservation requirement trumps even FSC needs. Ok - if it is indeed that - a conservation need that is. If it is - where's the data? Should be easy to prove - right?