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I dont like the term social distancing. The term needs to be more like Biologically Isolating.
IronNoggin said:
Long weekend actions will define B.C.'s COVID-19 trajectory, says top doctor as deaths climb by 3

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...als-provide-weekend-covid-19-update-1.5529885
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Great! Just another two-4 weeks to sit around and see the results from this long weekend. Then it will be the May24 weekend. I wonder if there will be an attachment of "non compliance" to up coming cases. We live in a day and age where political correctness limits what government leaders will say so they're not going to ever point fingers let alone say you are at risk of dying from covid if you're really FAT even know its the truth.
 
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A matter of balance:
 
SpringVelocity said:
Sweden still defying any lockdown.

https://apnews.com/9feffbdb9bf2421f40f26ae89bc56b6c
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Yes, if only we had invested in health care (hmmm, like sweden) the line representing capacity would be much higher and a spike would not matter.
But we would have had much higher taxes, and that folks is the rub. You pay now, or you really, really pay later.
The Swedish health care system is mainly government-funded, universal for all citizens and decentralized, although private health care also exists. The health care system in Sweden is financed primarily through taxes levied by county councils and municipalities.
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islandboy said:
Yes, if only we had invested in health care (hmmm, like sweden) the line representing capacity would be much higher and a spike would not matter.
But we would have had much higher taxes, and that folks is the rub. You pay now, or you really, really pay later.
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IIRC they actually pay less than we do - around 11% of GDP instead of 11.5%. They also have a greater degree of privatization in their system than we do - their system is really regional and local governments have a lot of flexibility as to how money gets spent. What ends up happening is some regional governments hire private service providers to run their medical systems, and these service providers have to compete for the business so it brings down the costs.

But they do get better results than we do.
 
Sweden has 91 deaths/million and Canada has 20

Not sure how Sweden's system is working better?
 
What defines a resident? How does one prove that within their 30 seconds at the toll booth? What defines essential travel and how does one prove that in 30 seconds?! Impossible to properly enforce.
 
islandboy said:
Yes, if only we had invested in health care (hmmm, like sweden) the line representing capacity would be much higher and a spike would not matter.
But we would have had much higher taxes, and that folks is the rub. You pay now, or you really, really pay later.
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The sad part is we are not far off the tax bracket Sweden has. Our government is just so terrible at budgeting. I pay just over 50% income tax. Add in 5% GST and I'm at about 56%. Folks in the rest of Canada pay a PST. That gets you over 60% tax. Add in property taxes, fuel tax & now the carbon tax & what's left to take. Honestly any more taxes and we are a socialist state.

It's not a revenue problem.. Its a spending problem.

Am I wrong with the swedish tax brackets? (Honestly not sure)
 
SerengetiGuide said:
What defines a resident? How does one prove that within their 30 seconds at the toll booth? What defines essential travel and how does one prove that in 30 seconds?! Impossible to properly enforce.
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Show your driver's license to prove you are a resident. Essential travellers are the guys in semis bringing groceries to the Island. Anyone that isn't can be pulled out to go through secondary screening.
 
ILHG said:
The sad part is we are not far off the tax bracket Sweden has. Our government is just so terrible at budgeting. I pay just over 50% income tax. Add in 5% GST and I'm at about 56%. Folks in the rest of Canada pay a PST. That gets you over 60% tax. Add in property taxes, fuel tax & now the carbon tax & what's left to take. Honestly any more taxes and we are a socialist state.

It's not a revenue problem.. Its a spending problem.

Am I wrong with the swedish tax brackets? (Honestly not sure)
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Sweden pays a serious Vat. 25% on most goods.

Also, if you are in Alberta the personal rate should top out at 48% and that is a marginal rate. If your effective rate is 48% you are doing pretty well. It is quite hard to do direct comparisons purely on rates, way too many variables.
 
Foxsea said:
Show your driver's license to prove you are a resident. Essential travellers are the guys in semis bringing groceries to the Island. Anyone that isn't can be pulled out to go through secondary screening.
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I know of at least 3 dozen that live in Vancouver island over 6months of the year yet their drivers license says somewhere else (if you rent many people do this for example. Myself included). That wouldn’t work.
 
Aces said:
Sweden has 91 deaths/million and Canada has 20

Not sure how Sweden's system is working better?
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/sarc on
You can't compare Sweden with Canada. That's ridiculous, we need to compare with their neighbours.
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SerengetiGuide said:
I know of at least 3 dozen that live in Vancouver island over 6months of the year yet their drivers license says somewhere else (if you rent many people do this for example. Myself included). That wouldn’t work.
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Of course it would.
Think Jack Boots & Schmeissers here...
Any question or variation - Adios.

Nog
 
GLG said:
/sarc on
You can't compare Sweden with Canada. That's ridiculous, we need to compare with their neighbours.
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Why can't you compare those numbers? They are per million residents. People were claiming Sweden's formula of not locking things down was working better than Canada's and those stats disagree.
 
Aces said:
Sweden has 91 deaths/million and Canada has 20

Not sure how Sweden's system is working better?
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In general they have better health outcomes and shorter wait times; I'm not arguing their c19 response plan is better or worse, just that they have a generally better medical system than we do. Of course, it's hard to compare entire systems and depending on how you calculate it, you can argue the costs either way. Individually they pay more but then their system includes a bunch of stuff ours doesn't; if you strip it down to comparable services we pay more.

Anyway that's kind of outside the scope of this thread; I mention it only because of the question about how they're doing better than we are.
 
Aces said:
Why can't you compare those numbers? They are per million residents. People were claiming Sweden's formula of not locking things down was working better than Canada's and those stats disagree.
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I think that is what he is saying, and its even worse compared to neighbours.
 
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