Stop Possibility of NDP Government

The NDP will not form the next Government. Really.
Duncan, Lunn and Kamp have to go. And if that means a Minority, so be it. This is the only way we can get the Conservatives to listen to Reality, and a matter completely of their own making. DO NOT STRAY here Folks! Jacko isn't a very serious threat. Those that lobbied for privatization Certainly ARE!

Cheers,
Nog

X2--- If we dont stick it to Duncan, Lunn and Kamp, we have LOST the battle to try to get a fair shake for todays and tomorrows anglers. But maybe some of you prefer to hand over your rights to harvest things like salmon, butts, crabs, prawns, lingcod etc , and have to buy your fish from commercials like they do back east. But thats sure isnt me. This frenzy coming out of Bay Street is just to protect their inside track into Parliament .
 
Conservative Party of Canada majority equates a meaner/nastier country and-wait for it-even more Salmon farms now that the Federal govt has responsibility.

Lots of countries do just fine under minority govt-even Canada in the past.
 
One thing charter guys need to think about as well is the NDP has a big plan to not only raise corp taxes to 19.5% (no longer all that competitive on the world stage) and the thing to really think about is their plan to increase taxes to oil and gas companies, above and beyond the corp taxes. I know a lot of our clients are from Alberta, and when the oil patch isn't doing too hot, a lot less guys from Alberta book, same for most of you as well. This increase in taxes especially for oil and gas companies will also raise our costs, as it will increase their costs and they will pass the costs on to the consumer...you think gas prices are bad now, wait till the NDP is in power through coalition.
 
justfish and others, since we're now using stories to explain our side of the story here is a very popular one most of you may be familiar with already:

A few years ago, a very rich businessman decides to take a vacation to a small tropical island in the South Pacific. He has worked hard all his life and has decided that now is the time to enjoy the fruits of his labor. He is excited about visiting the island because he’s heard that there is incredible fishing there. He loved fishing as a young boy, but hasn’t gone in years because he has been so busy working to save for his retirement.

So on the first day, he has his breakfast and heads to the beach. It’s around 9:30 am. There he spots a fisherman coming in with a large bucket full of fish!

How long did you fish for? he asks. The fisherman looks at the businessman with a wide grin across his face and explains that the fishes for about three hours every day. The businessman then asks him why he returned so quickly.

Don’t worry, says the fisherman, There’s still plenty of fish out there.

Dumbfounded, the businessman asks the fisherman why he didn’t continue catching more fish. The fisherman patiently explains that what he caught is all he needs. I’ll spend the rest of the day playing with my family, talking with my friends and maybe drinking a little wine. After that I’ll relax on the beach.”

Now the rich businessman figures he needs to teach this peasant fisherman a thing or two. So he explains to him that he should stay out all day and catch more fish. Then he could save up the extra money he makes and buy and even bigger boats to catch even more fish. The he could keep reinvesting his profits in even more boats and hire many other fisherman to work for him. If he works really hard, in 20 or 30 years he’ll be a very rich man indeed.

The businessman feels pleased that he’s helped teach this simple fellow how to become rich. Then the fisherman looks at the businessman with a puzzled look on his face and asks what he’ll do after he becomes very rich.

The businessman responds quickly You can spend time with your family, talk with your friends, and maybe drink a little wine. Or you could just relax on the beach.
 
Pippen,

I'm not saying that Jack is the answer at all. Frankly, I think the leaders of all major political parties are pretty terrible. What I am saying is that the conservative way of thinking about many major issues is very short-sighted and detrimental to the next generations.

Someone else mentioned that the 'academics' know little about real-world issues. First off, 'academics' are the reason why we enjoy so much technological innovation and knowledge about our world. In the past century we've gained such an increased understanding of our history here on earth and the damage we are currently inflicting on ourselves. Academics (scientists, teachers, etc.) are largely responsible for most of our worlds great advances. What they are not responsible for is the exploitation of these findings and the corporate greed that looks to take advantage of the innocent.

Another point to notice is how many retired business people there are today who got fat in business and now are willing to admit and campaign against the very system that made them rich as they realize (and admit) their greed came at the expense of others. Look at 2 of the worlds richest men (buffet and gates) if you need a couple quite examples off the top of my head.
 
If Captain Layton ever got power (perish the thought) this country would go bankrupt with all the taxing and spending he promises. If you don't run your country like a business the result would be equivelant to when Glen Clark was in charge.
 
I think an NDP led opposition would be a great way to show harper he needs to learn how compromise and work with other parties. I really don't see a majority government any time soon because no party is offering anything to vote for.
 
A lot of excitement in the NDP ranks right now but i think .........It is only premature eJackuLaytion.
 
Any Election gives us all a chance to vote for a person that will REPRESENT us, the constituents and bring our interests and concerns forward to Hopefully be addressed in a postitive way by the government.
I know My current MP duncan has not brought his voters isssues forward to be addressed.
He has not represented us at all....IMHO. He refuses to stand up and be heard with our issues.

Jack will NOT be the next PM.. any suggestion of this is just scare tactics.

If Harper does not get a majority ( I hope not)..........He needs to look in the mirror and ask himself WHY..arrogance only gets a person so far.
WE ARE all smarter than that!
 
Tax the banks to fund child care! Banks won't contract, jobs will be created, and more people back in the job market. Boy, I sure hope we don't all get Con-ed again.

I just don't buy all these arguments about the Con men being good for the economy. They ran the largest deficit ever in history, only rivaled by the deficit racked up by Mulroney. They threaten economic contraction and higher consumer prices if corporate taxes are raised, but that just doesn't stand to reason in a free market economy -prices are always at their highest in order to generate highest corporate profits, and the big businesses aren't going anywhere because there is no where else to move, and we would still have an extremely competitive tax rate even if raised a bit. Who on here really wants to pay more personally in order to transfer your hard earned money to oil companies? That is effectively the Con con, and it stinks. As for threats to small business, that just isn't the case -small business tax credits would actually work to lower small business taxes, whether your business is a proprietorship, a partnership, or a corporation or a co-op.

If you ask me, building mega prisons to combat a falling crime rate when tens of thousands of seniors live in poverty after working their entire lives, when small communities are in desperate need of doctors and nurses, when the environment is effed and we have the opportunity to build a greener economy, just makes no sense. Not to mention the dictatorial style and the down right lying that we've all come to expect from Harper. If you don't think we deserve better then you are truly a glutton for punishment.

The days of the NDP as a radical socialist party are looong gone. It's middle of the road now, and it represents a real alternative to the negativity, manipulation and cynicism of the past few years. It is time to rethink politics in Canada and send a strong message to the traditional governing parties. It's time to get Ottawa working for the public again, instead of cowering in the shadow of the Leader. It's a safe risk too take, cuz we'll just get to toss them all out in another year or two! Honestly, I am optimistic about the future, and am voting for a party that has an optimistic message that truly addresses the issues that affect Canadians. I am voting for a government that puts people ahead of corporate interests and blind ideology. And, at this late date, I am finally looking forward to this election.
 
Tax the banks to fund child care! Banks won't contract, jobs will be created, and more people back in the job market. Boy, I sure hope we don't all get Con-ed again.......

........ Honestly, I am optimistic about the future, and am voting for a party that has an optimistic message that truly addresses the issues that affect Canadians. I am voting for a government that puts people ahead of corporate interests and blind ideology. And, at this late date, I am finally looking forward to this election.

Very, very, well said and I couldn't agree with you more!!!!!!!!
 
The Cons enjoy a very strong base that will bend over and take it any way Harper says. As for the rest who won't capitulate, he doesn't give a damn. When a threat appears on his radar, instead of broadening his policies to appeal to a wider base, he starts a scare campaign like the one in this thread.

That's his problem, IMHO, and that is why he does not deserve to lead a majority.

On top of that, Duncan has got to go.
 
The Cons enjoy a very strong base that will bend over and take it any way Harper says. As for the rest who won't capitulate, he doesn't give a damn. When a threat appears on his radar, instead of broadening his policies to appeal to a wider base, he starts a scare campaign like the one in this thread.
Very well said!
 
If you keep voting for the same people and parties you will keep getting the same old sh!tty governement. It is long overdue for a change in Ottawa! There is little difference between the Liberals and Conservatives they are just corrupt, incompetent and unaccoutable in slightly different ways in IMHO.
 
Couldn't agree more. And with the NDP's surge in the polls it would appear that Canadians are sending a message. It is time for a change.
 
Take a look around and see what is happening to all our natural resources, not just halibut. Between the liberal and conservatives we are privatizing everything that was once ours. This needs to stop. It it continues sonn we will have sold off our country to the highest bidder.
 
Good article at how NDP economics are completely backwards: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...dp-supersize-our-pension-plan/article1985768/

The good news about this election is that Jack Layton has no chance of becoming prime minister. The bad news is that seven years of a splintered Parliament have granted an unusual level of influence to a man with a talent for making simplistic, ill-considered ideas about the economy sound appealing.


What would a new national pension plan look like?
In Jack’s World, there really is a free lunch. The NDP platform is full of them. Subsidized child care, drugs, green energy, elder care—all of it to be paid for with the billions that can allegedly be raised by increasing tax rates on businesses. This is the subtext of any Layton proposal: Somebody else (rich people, corporations, the banks) will pick up the tab.

Most Canadians see through this act, but every so often the disarming man behind the mustache gains a wider audience for a bad idea. Take Layton’s championing of a massive expansion of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) as the solution to the looming retirement crunch. The concept now has enough momentum to live beyond election day.

To the NDP, evil corporations are not merely bottomless sources of tax revenue; they’re also the destroyers of the company pension. Today, only one in three workers in Canada belongs to an occupational pension plan. This is almost entirely a private-sector problem, since most government employees are nicely taken care of and no one dares question the financial sustainability of giving, say, teachers a full pension at age 58 to go bake under the sun in Costa Rica.

So the question is what to do about the other two-thirds of the labour force. Layton has a solution that sounds seductively easy: Just double the size of CPP payments. Where would he get the money? Just increase payroll taxes by 60%, wave a wand and—presto—the maximum CPP benefit, currently $11,520 a year, becomes $23,000 in seven years’ time. Simple.

Cue the rhapsodizing from big labour, which loves the Layton plan and apparently believes that the CPP Investment Board has discovered a magic formula for Profits! Without Risk! But if you read the proposals carefully, you’ll notice a bizarre contradiction. Layton’s union pals think RSPs or other private investment vehicles are no answer because, as the financial crisis proved, stocks are too risky for ordinary folk. Instead, says Canadian Labour Congress head honcho Ken Georgetti, they should rely on the “solid, secure returns” provided by the CPPIB—which has more than half of its money in stocks and took a bath during the crash just like everyone else.

The $140-billion fund hasn’t done that well in the market rebound, either. It earned $6.3 billion less than the market benchmarks it measures itself against in fiscal 2010. It isn’t that the CPPIB is run by poor investors; it employs hundreds of good people, including some of the best talent on Bay Street. It’s just that…well, investing all that money is far more difficult than it sounds. Although the CPP invests around the world, it can rarely move quickly or quietly. It isn’t easy to change your view on gold when there’s a half-billion dollars of Barrick shares on the books.

Size does have advantages. It means lower costs, and that’s one of the most attractive features of the CPP. But at some point you’ve squeezed out all the economies of scale. If it’s tough for the CPP’s managers to be nimble now, imagine what the plan will be like in a decade, when it’s projected to have $275 billion, even with no increase in the payroll tax that funds it. (The entire Canadian stock market is worth $2.3 trillion.)

This is why some wiser minds believe the task of running our treasured national pension might be spread out, to include other large—though equally cheap—fund managers. “Is it really a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket?” says Fred Vettese, chief actuary at Morneau Shepell and one of the country’s top retirement experts. He favours modest changes to CPP benefits, phased in over decades. But he doesn’t think new money has to be invested with the CPP Investment Board.

The overconcentration of financial power isn’t even the biggest flaw with the proposed Mega CPP. Even worse, it will take money away from many of those who need it, and give it to those who don’t. Advocates of a fat CPP insist that it is needed to keep the elderly out of food banks. In fact, poverty among seniors is remarkably low. Fewer than 5% of those over 65 are below Statistics Canada’s low-income cutoff. Thanks to Ottawa’s Old Age Security and Guaranteed Income Supplement programs, many seniors actually see their disposable income go up when they retire, says Vettese.

Poverty is a far bigger problem among working-age adults—nearly 10% of them fall below the Statscan line. Yet most of them would have to pay extra taxes to fund the Mega CPP. That’s Layton’s anti-Robin Hood scheme in a nutshell: removing money from the pockets of younger workers, business owners and the working poor to give better pensions to everybody, including those who already have a sweet deal at retirement. I can understand why union leaders like this approach. I just can’t understand why anyone else thinks it’s fair.
 
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