wildmanyeah
Crew Member
wow, really "scientific" spopydyn... coming from a "scientist"
Bigdog the admin has already called people out for what u just did perhaps you can listen to admin.
wow, really "scientific" spopydyn... coming from a "scientist"
What? This makes no sense. I simply supplied you with her research paper which you are doubting its veracity based on bias, despite her 100+ science sources. If her scientific analysis is wrong, then I guess her source material was inaccurate. So I supplied you with Havard Medical school paper and Washington government paper. Are they wrong as well? Where r u getting your science from?Really, spopsadyn? Is that what Vivian does" Really?? Here's a quote from a right-wing news source: "Krause is a researcher, not a journalist, so she never interviews expert sources to back up her claims."
ok - so lets avoid Vivian Krause even though she was just pointing out the current science. Instead, how about this:
https://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/Fish/FarmedSalmon
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/finding-omega-3-fats-in-fish-farmed-versus-wild-201512238909
Hopefully Harvard and Washington State aren't in big oils back pocket.
Just getting the science from the peer reviewed article that was published in the scientific journal. You got yours from an opinion blog and a source that wasn't peer reviewed. I think I'll take my chances in believing what the peer reviewed scientific journal has to say.What? This makes no sense. I simply supplied you with her research paper which you are doubting its veracity based on bias, despite her 100+ science sources. If her scientific analysis is wrong, then I guess her source material was inaccurate. So I supplied you with Havard Medical school paper and Washington government paper. Are they wrong as well? Where r u getting your science from?
What about your unfortunate misquoting of the article you used to try and prove the dangers of farmed salmon? Are you ignoring the fact you tried to mislead?Just getting the science from the peer reviewed article that was published in the scientific journal. You got yours from an opinion blog and a source that wasn't peer reviewed. I think I'll take my chances in believing what the peer reviewed scientific journal has to say.
sorry wildmanyeah. I'll try to tone it down a bit.Bigdog the admin has already called people out for what u just did perhaps you can listen to admin.
What about your unfortunate misquoting of the article you used to try and prove the dangers of farmed salmon? Are you ignoring the fact you tried to mislead?
Wow - u r using Hites? R u actually serious? nobody uses Hites anymore."the fact you tried to mislead?" you sound like a lawyer now, lol.
I'd rather people read the whole article and decide for themselves. That's why the link is there. There was plenty damming in there besides the fact that farmed atlantic salmon contain 2 to 10 times the levels of PCBs, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that most wild salmon do, apparently because the rich meal they eat contains bits of oily fish in which these contaminants tend to concentrate.. The article also touched on the environmental impacts, etc of fish farming.
this was also in the article and I didn't mention it..
"Keep in mind, the generally higher levels of mercury often found in farmed salmon should swing the scale toward wild fish if you’re pregnant, nursing, young or particularly brain-protective. That aside, however, the tremendous omega-3 benefits—reduced heart attack risk, better immunological, neurological and even psychological health—easily outweigh the tenuous risks."
Also from the author:
"I’m increasingly convinced that the larger issue of farmed versus wild salmon poses a similar choice. The withering array of injuries that salmon farms inflict on wild salmon forces a sort of long-range consumer decision. This is not like deciding whether you want free-range versus conventional chicken for tonight’s dinner; that’s a decision with limited echo. To decide that you may as well eat farmed Atlantic tonight, however, is to decide, in a very real sense, that you may as well eat farmed salmon, and farmed salmon only, forever. You may feel differently. But that just doesn’t sit well with me. For now, anyway, I’ve eaten my last farmed salmon."
Besides I go by the scientific peer reviewed hites study to guide me about what is safe and what isn't when it comes to farmed salmon.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
Editorial: It’s infectious
The Sackville Tribune Post
Published: a day ago
http://www.sackvilletribunepost.com/opinion/editorial-its-infectious-171135/
Editorial: It’s infectious
The Sackville Tribune Post
Published: a day ago
http://www.sackvilletribunepost.com/opinion/editorial-its-infectious-171135/
Your first link certainly has concerns about Fish Farms...a few highlights....
"Our goal isn't to resolve the controversy about eating farmed or wild fish
Transfer of Disease
The import of Atlantic salmon eggs into the Pacific for farming has raised concern about possible transfer of disease to wild stocks. Restrictions on egg importation, testing of broodstock fish from which eggs are taken, and disinfection are intended to minimize Disease.
high stocking densities can worsen a disease outbreak
Pollution
Pollution (fish excrement and uneaten feed) occurs regularly under net pens,
Sea Lice
Sea lice from farmed fish may infect native salmon populations.
Contamination
Early studies reported high levels of PCBs and other contaminants in farmed salmon"
AND your second link is all about omega-3
Not sure what was your point of posting these links?
It was to provide additional scientific evidence that the consumption of Farmed Salmon is safe.
I don't own either the news sites, nor the authors who write the opinion pieces, spopadyn - anymore than you do. Click on the links provided - if you want to - or not.
I think it is clear that the general public has had enough of the lying and collusion - that would be my take home messaging.
Thanks for the clarification…got it…..
This site was to clarify safe consumption of Farmed Salmon
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/finding-omega-3-fats-in-fish-farmed-versus-wild-201512238909
and the other site you posted
https://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/Fish/FarmedSalmon
was to warn us about the dangers of Fish Farms as included in it was this information….
“ Transfer of Disease
The import of Atlantic salmon eggs into the Pacific for farming has raised concern about possible transfer of disease to wild stocks. Restrictions on egg importation, testing of broodstock fish from which eggs are taken, and disinfection are intended to minimize Disease.
high stocking densities can worsen a disease outbreak
Pollution
Pollution (fish excrement and uneaten feed) occurs regularly under net pens,
Sea Lice
Sea lice from farmed fish may infect native salmon populations.
Contamination
Early studies reported high levels of PCBs and other contaminants in farmed salmon"
ok, so on the second link, they identify all the concerns etc with farmed salmon. Here is there summary so no one is confused:
Summary
Balancing the health benefits of farmed salmon with contaminant levels can be confusing. Here are a few points to keep in mind:
- Keep eating salmon! Salmon is high in protein and omega-3 fatty acids that provide well documented benefits for the heart and brain. Wild salmon is a great choice and farmed salmon is a good alternative.
Just keeping it real buddy. Any chance you will give me a like?Keep eating it if your OK with all the concerns and negative effects the open net pen fish farms are having on our wild salmon.