wildmanyeah
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Bigdog the admin has already called people out for what u just did perhaps you can listen to admin.
N.S. fish farm rejected: risk to wild salmon.
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Bigdog the admin has already called people out for what u just did perhaps you can listen to admin.
What? This makes no sense. I simply supplied you with her research paper which you are doubting its veracity based on bias, despite her 100+ science sources. If her scientific analysis is wrong, then I guess her source material was inaccurate. So I supplied you with Havard Medical school paper and Washington government paper. Are they wrong as well? Where r u getting your science from?
fogged in
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Your first link certainly has concerns about Fish Farms...a few highlights....
"Our goal isn't to resolve the controversy about eating farmed or wild fish
Transfer of Disease
The import of Atlantic salmon eggs into the Pacific for farming has raised concern about possible transfer of disease to wild stocks. Restrictions on egg importation, testing of broodstock fish from which eggs are taken, and disinfection are intended to minimize Disease.
high stocking densities can worsen a disease outbreak
Pollution
Pollution (fish excrement and uneaten feed) occurs regularly under net pens,
Sea Lice
Sea lice from farmed fish may infect native salmon populations.
Contamination
Early studies reported high levels of PCBs and other contaminants in farmed salmon"
AND your second link is all about omega-3
Not sure what was your point of posting these links?
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bigdogeh
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Just getting the science from the peer reviewed article that was published in the scientific journal. You got yours from an opinion blog and a source that wasn't peer reviewed. I think I'll take my chances in believing what the peer reviewed scientific journal has to say.
To be honest, I won't eat them because of the other concerns. The fact that they carry disease and virus and can intermingle with our wild salmon is my greatest concern. So to me whether they are contaminated or not makes no difference. But I won't take the chance with feeding them to my family. The consumer should have a choice in being informed about what they eat though. And unfortunately are often served farmed atlantic when a restauraunt is advertising wild pacific salmon on their menu.
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What about your unfortunate misquoting of the article you used to try and prove the dangers of farmed salmon? Are you ignoring the fact you tried to mislead?
bigdogeh
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sorry wildmanyeah. I'll try to tone it down a bit.
bigdogeh
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"the fact you tried to mislead?" you sound like a lawyer now, lol.
I'd rather people read the whole article and decide for themselves. That's why the link is there. There was plenty damming in there besides the fact that farmed atlantic salmon contain 2 to 10 times the levels of PCBs, DDT, dioxins, pesticides, mercury and other suspected carcinogens that most wild salmon do, apparently because the rich meal they eat contains bits of oily fish in which these contaminants tend to concentrate.. The article also touched on the environmental impacts, etc of fish farming.
this was also in the article and I didn't mention it..
"Keep in mind, the generally higher levels of mercury often found in farmed salmon should swing the scale toward wild fish if you’re pregnant, nursing, young or particularly brain-protective. That aside, however, the tremendous omega-3 benefits—reduced heart attack risk, better immunological, neurological and even psychological health—easily outweigh the tenuous risks."
Also from the author:
"I’m increasingly convinced that the larger issue of farmed versus wild salmon poses a similar choice. The withering array of injuries that salmon farms inflict on wild salmon forces a sort of long-range consumer decision. This is not like deciding whether you want free-range versus conventional chicken for tonight’s dinner; that’s a decision with limited echo. To decide that you may as well eat farmed Atlantic tonight, however, is to decide, in a very real sense, that you may as well eat farmed salmon, and farmed salmon only, forever. You may feel differently. But that just doesn’t sit well with me. For now, anyway, I’ve eaten my last farmed salmon."
Besides I go by the scientific peer reviewed hites study to guide me about what is safe and what isn't when it comes to farmed salmon.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
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Wow - u r using Hites? R u actually serious? nobody uses Hites anymore.
bigdogeh
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People don't use peer reviewed scientific articles published in scientific journals? I didn't know that.
Oh, I forgot, why use science when you can use Krause. Or Tom Fletcher? lol,
Oh, I forgot you like to use the Fraser Institute as well... another corporate propaganda leader. Yup, completely unbiased journalism.
https://bctf.ca/publications/NewsmagArticle.aspx?id=7914
Oh, those terrible teachers. The bad people that are educating our children....
btw, wasn't it you that called the Fraser Institute, the "Simon" Fraser institute ? Umm, who's doing the misleading?
Oh, I forgot, why use science when you can use Krause. Or Tom Fletcher? lol,
Oh, I forgot you like to use the Fraser Institute as well... another corporate propaganda leader. Yup, completely unbiased journalism.
https://bctf.ca/publications/NewsmagArticle.aspx?id=7914
Oh, those terrible teachers. The bad people that are educating our children....
btw, wasn't it you that called the Fraser Institute, the "Simon" Fraser institute ? Umm, who's doing the misleading?
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Editorial: It’s infectious
The Sackville Tribune Post
Published: a day ago
http://www.sackvilletribunepost.com/opinion/editorial-its-infectious-171135/
The Sackville Tribune Post
Published: a day ago
http://www.sackvilletribunepost.com/opinion/editorial-its-infectious-171135/
bigdogeh
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As bad as the problems are here, sadly, I think they are just as bad if not even more so on the east coast.
Hope the spread of infectious legislative public opinionata continues to take root on both sides of our countries.
Sigh....While I find merit in some of the information you post, do you realize how contradictory it is? One our your links will say one thing - the next something completely different. It is hard to keep up with all of this conflicting info.
It was to provide additional scientific evidence that the consumption of Farmed Salmon is safe.
I don't own either the news sites, nor the authors who write the opinion pieces, spopadyn - anymore than you do. Click on the links provided - if you want to - or not.
I think it is clear that the general public has had enough of the lying and collusion - that would be my take home messaging.
I think it is clear that the general public has had enough of the lying and collusion - that would be my take home messaging.
fogged in
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Thanks for the clarification…got it…..
This site was to clarify safe consumption of Farmed Salmon
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/finding-omega-3-fats-in-fish-farmed-versus-wild-201512238909
and the other site you posted
https://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/Fish/FarmedSalmon
was to warn us about the dangers of Fish Farms as included in it was this information….
“ Transfer of Disease
The import of Atlantic salmon eggs into the Pacific for farming has raised concern about possible transfer of disease to wild stocks. Restrictions on egg importation, testing of broodstock fish from which eggs are taken, and disinfection are intended to minimize Disease.
high stocking densities can worsen a disease outbreak
Pollution
Pollution (fish excrement and uneaten feed) occurs regularly under net pens,
Sea Lice
Sea lice from farmed fish may infect native salmon populations.
Contamination
Early studies reported high levels of PCBs and other contaminants in farmed salmon"
I am just trying to understand what is the message you want to get across? It seems like anything that is anti-FF is game for you to parrot with links. Meanwhile, one link states the reason FF's in the east are bad is that the escaped Atlantic salmon are interbreeding with the native populations and because they are inferior, the interbreed salmon die off and so does the run. The next link says the interbreed salmon are taking over and out pacing the wild salmon, thereby the wild strains are dying off. It is then followed by a link that talks about salmon not returning because of a dam (habitat destruction)? Just struggling at following all your links. I guess for me it starts to look like spam after a while. When you come up with the "Aha" moment about me incorrectly posting the value of the aquaculture industry and it turns out you had erred in your own post, you should probably acknowledge the error. This was my challenge to Bigdogeh but he wasn't ever able to see how he may have misquoted a source. GLG seems to be the only gent on the anti-FF side who can be corrected and acknowledges it. I am starting to really like the way he thinks....
ok, so on the second link, they identify all the concerns etc with farmed salmon. Here is there summary so no one is confused:
Summary
Balancing the health benefits of farmed salmon with contaminant levels can be confusing. Here are a few points to keep in mind:
- Keep eating salmon! Salmon is high in protein and omega-3 fatty acids that provide well documented benefits for the heart and brain. Wild salmon is a great choice and farmed salmon is a good alternative.
bigdogeh
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Interesting that very same government article used Hites as one of it's references.
too bad they didn't put a link to it so people could more easily reference the study.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf
References
Easton MDL, Luszniak D, and E Von der Geest, 2002. Preliminary Examination of Contaminant Loadings in Farmed Salmon, Wild Salmon and Commercial Salmon Feed. Chemosphere (46) 1053-1074.
Gardner J and DL Peterson, 2003. Making Sense of the Salmon Aquaculture Debate: Analysis of Issues Related to Netcage Salmon Faming and Wild Salmon in British Columbia. Pacific Fisheries Resource Conservation Council.
Hites RA, Foran JA, Carpenter DO, Hamilton MC, Knuth BA, and SJ Schwager, 2004. Global Assessment of Organic Contaminants in Farmed Salmon. Science (303) 226- 229.
Mazurek R and M Elliott, 2004. Seafood Watch, Seafood Report: Farmed Atlantic Salmon (PDF). Monterey Bay Aquarium.
Nash CE (editor), 2001. The net-pen salmon farming Industry in the Pacific Northwest. U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA Technical Memorandum NFMS-NWFSC-49, 125 p.
Waknitz FW, Iwamoto RN, and MS Strom, 2003. Interactions of Atlantic salmon in the Pacific Northwest. IV. Impacts on the local Ecosystems. Fisheries Research 62 (2003) 307-328.
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