WTF!!!! HST TV commercials.

If they do not like the tax, then stay away and fish your Saskatchewan Salmon, your pickerel and your perch....pretty easy eh?????


why, you figure the Pacific fish belong to only you?
And I bet my B.C, birth certificate and Sin are older than yours!
Yup, the ferries and Hotel taxes pretty much suck also.

"WOW, such strong words over the itnerweb....."
Nothing I wouldn't say face to face.

Now where did I say the fish belong to me.......:confused:

And oh wise one....if you really are...then you would know that taxes pay for all things, including the highway you would use to travel to fish the coast....so in a way, your contribution to the HST WILL benefit you...and all the others, including my family and my wifes family, who live east of the Rockies.

and why do you care how old I am??? I personally don't care as I know people who are in their 20's who are lot wiser, and mature, than people in their 60's.

Now we have done it Labman2, you have gone off topic and hijacked this thread by throwing personal insults at me, and I have answered them instead of just ignoring them.

Some day I will learn.....how about you???

Cheers

SS
 
AMAZING!!!!!
I must be the only one on this forum who signed that petition.:confused:
 
No you are not alone. There are about 1000 contractors down here on the lower island who signed hoping to christ that this tax would go away so we could start working again. So we could afford to hire a charter on our days off haha.
 
Voting no on HST does not make the gov't costs go away

For those who vote, remember that it is not a simple question of if you vote no, will tax go away. There are large costs to running a province. Every province and state in North America is having huge problems paying their bills right now due to the economic slow-down on the planet. The bubble has burst.

The baby boomers have nest eggs of savings and real estate etc and they will be working less, then retiring. Incomes will be shrinking- therefore income tax revenues will be going down. Boomers will be in hospitals getting heart surgeries, cancer treatments, etc. That is life. The schools we built to educate the boomers many decades ago are all in need of repairs. Infrastructure such as bridges and roads also need maintenance etc. Someone has to pay. Rich immigrants and retirees with cash stashed outside Canada, or trusts/offshore accounts set up to protect their nest eggs from tax will be consuming goods and government services, but paying little tax, unless it is a tax on the goods consumed.

If you look at the governments records http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/OCG/pa/09_10/PublicAccounts.pdf pages 14 to 17, you will see that things like natural resource revenue (logging/forestry/oil & gas) have been heading in the ******* for several years. We lost many billions there. Those forestry jobs used to mean income tax and sales tax for the government. How many people do you know who still have a forestry job compared to 5,10,15 yrs ago? Forestry is our cash flow and that river is looking very dry. I know that BC still has bills to pay and those bills are increasing slightly, but we have serious lack of cash to pay those bills.

Talk to your politician and accountant to discuss the entire tax system and economy. The bills must get paid somehow, but one vote won't make them go away. VanderZ is oversimplifying the issue. Ask your accountant which way they are voting.

Do your homework, because changing a tax system does not happen overnight. There are costs. BC has gotten rid of experienced PST staff, PST systems were not replaced because they are no longer needed, and offices have shut down, old staff have moved to new cities with their families, etc. You can't just flick a switch and go back to PST.

A vote against the HST just says "Tax me some other way", not "Give me back my toonie from that restaurant bill"
 
Hmmm, 2.2 billion tax shift to average joes away from corporate sources. Oooopps, average joes are pissed we better change things up a bit and offer to lower the rate to 10% at some date in the future. Fast forward to the future, oooopps we need the money more than we thought so we cannot lower to 10% anymore, we may even need to raise it more. Sorry Nautigirl but my trust in govt is at an all time low and Christy crunch might have an engaging smile and be an excellent speaker but she is a political animal doing what she needs to do at the moment. If you want to pay more you can make a donation for all of us, I am sure that Christy and Jimmy will appreciate it.
 
No you are not alone. There are about 1000 contractors down here on the lower island who signed hoping to christ that this tax would go away so we could start working again. So we could afford to hire a charter on our days off haha.

Yes more taxes makes an underground ecomony..
I wonder how many $$ christy crunch and the drunk... what was his name..Gordo... are LOOSING OUT ON in the provincial coffers by gouging us some more with extra tax on things that was never taxed before.
Alberta oil and Gas is booming , forestry is picking up here.. just another excuse to take more of our hard earned income I believe.
A promise to reduce the tax does not do it for me... Just like the promise 15 years ago to get rid of the GST..YEAH right..
I don't want 12 % reduced..I want it the hell gone..back to 5 % that I paid 8 months ago.
 
So to all who do not want the tax, where would you like to see the xtra $$$$ come from to cover the ever increasing cost to run this province???

I am curious as to where this money will be found.......

And for those who think natural resourses will keep us a float are mistaken, yes logging is picking up, but it is mostly in log exports.

I am a curious sort, so please explain where the $$$ will come from.

Cheers

SS
 
If your thinking of voting down the HST because of the way the Liberals brought it in...think it through. Who should you punish? You and your fellow BCers or the Liberal Party? The HST was brought in the wrong way, true. Punish the Liberal Party, that opportunity is not far off.
 
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I would rather see a carbon tax..

Which we already have on the people that drive large SUV's Hummers, boats with twin 250s..they can afford it, that is clear.
An extra tax on a person's hair cut, car repairs, household maintenance..new roof they need on their house, clothes for the teenager, etc. that is again targeting the middle income guy.
Pretty clear to me who this tax hits.. the average person with a house to maintain and a couple of cars, couple of kids.. It is NOT a tax on the rich that is for sure.

All the threats of it will cost us more in the long run I feel is BS to ram this thing down our throat.. dont choke....
We are TIRED of paying FOR WASTED MONEY. I have worked for the federal government, I have contracted to the provincial government..my oh my...what wasted $$ I have seen in it all!
I want these A holes to stop pi.... g away my tax dollars and adding another tax cause they need more money, pretty basic.
Can you do that in your household if you spend more than you have coming in?
I think not.
 
The bottom line for me is accountability. They lied to us pure and simple.
When the people you elect to look after your interests deliberately mislead you then it is a very sad day for democracy.
All other arguments pro or con for the tax are irrelevant.
A vote to scrap the HST is the only way to remind our elected officials who they work for. Otherwise we might as well just say goodbye to democracy.
 
It is true that any jackass can get elected and screw up their public relations. We can all agree on that. It has been done everywhere and for eternity. The question is not "are they jackasses this time?". Gordo, Christy, VanderZ, Ralph Klein, GeorgeW. I don't care whose face is on TV pissing me off and taking my tax money. That is irrelevent.

The question is "is the tax system fair and will it help create jobs?"

Do rich people consume more? Yes. Does that dick in the new Mercedes pay more for it than you in your truck. Yes. He'll pay more sales/HST than you, and more than he did before. Previously he got PST free tax laywer and tax accountant advice, deducted the cost of his stuff (car, hockey tickets, scotch at the golf club and his AGM in Mexico) and paid little/no income tax. You however, likely did your own tax or got H&R to do it and you likely got a little tax "refund", but most of your T4 deductions you never saw again. Now that Mercedes guy will pay HST on his tax advice, plus more for his car. He'll likely still pay little to no income tax, but he'll pay a larger slice of the tax BC collects.

The low earners will get HSTC refunds every quarter (more than the old GST credit cheques. They'll also have lower income tax that if there was no sales tax, and they'll be more likely to get a job with a co that previously would not consider locating here because the PST was a joke that would drive their costs up.

Everyone will save on the BC government administration of PST and exemptions, and business having to dick around with two sets of tax records and keeping track of a mountain of special interest crap related to the oddball exemptions here under PST. So far the tax dept has let go about 100 auditors and PST registration staff with another 100+ to go over the next year or so. Their office space is given up and all their pensions, operating costs etc are gone. This will save the province$$$.

Don't get me wrong. I lived in Alberta and loved having no PST. That would be great to save that $ again. Unfortunately BC doesn't have oilsands gushing out its butt like they do. They are not political or budget geniuses there. They are just lucky for now until the oil & gas runs out. I don't miss the toxic smog belching from their refineries by the way.

Oh yeah, the Alberta oil co's invading the Dawson Creek/Fort St John area taking our coalbed methane gas etc are paying some lease money and gas royalties on paying wells, but PST- no (exempt on manufacturing and processing equip). Oilfield services (exempt of PST). Income tax - no( head offices Calgary and sending gas there). Under HST they will stop raping our province and start paying a decent share. They are using our province and resources. The HST will keep some of that resource related money here in BC. That's not the "little guy". That's "big oil" that under HST will pay a bigger share to BC.

Perhaps we could use some of that money to try to monitor & protect some of the local water supply that they are draining to water flood and fracture the gas wells with in conjunction with millions of litres of diesel and other solvents pumped into the earth. Use up the surface water, then contaminate the ground water. Good job big oil! Thanks for visiting beautiful BC. Check this out http://www.bctwa.org/FrkBC-Apache-BiggestFrack.pdf

Read. Learn. Ask an expert. Vote with your head.Don't just shoot the jackass because he pissed you off.

The stick man campaign is just a better late than never way of communicating the change that they should have done before.
 
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I would rather see a carbon tax..

Which we already have on the people that drive large SUV's Hummers, boats with twin 250s..they can afford it, that is clear.
An extra tax on a person's hair cut, car repairs, household maintenance..new roof they need on their house, clothes for the teenager, etc. that is again targeting the middle income guy.
Pretty clear to me who this tax hits.. the average person with a house to maintain and a couple of cars, couple of kids.. It is NOT a tax on the rich that is for sure.

All the threats of it will cost us more in the long run I feel is BS to ram this thing down our throat.. dont choke....
We are TIRED of paying FOR WASTED MONEY. I have worked for the federal government, I have contracted to the provincial government..my oh my...what wasted $$ I have seen in it all!
I want these A holes to stop pi.... g away my tax dollars and adding another tax cause they need more money, pretty basic.
Can you do that in your household if you spend more than you have coming in?
I think not.

So you would rather tax me, who does not have any alternative methods of getting round other than my CRV and half ton truck. I would love to ride a bike, but my bad knees and back do not allow me to. I would rather walk, but because I am a firefighter in our Volunteer fire department, I have to have a vehicle to get to calls, especially during the day. We do not have any other means of getting around other than driving to go see a specialist in CR or CV. Hell we cannot even have babies up here on the North Island because our two old hospitals are not set up for it, so we have to drive down to see a doctor and when the baby is due again drive back and forth.

It is so easy to say tax the gas when you have lots of options other than your vehicle.......

I would love to see the HST add some money to our hospitals so we do not have to drive 2+ hours just to have a baby.

The Carbon tax only taxes the rual folks and peple who need a vehicle for work. Again throwing the tax on a limited few to cover the rest of population. At least the HST does not single out or put a tax on a limited few, it is shared by all.

And I have been in Gov for 20+ years and yes I have seen the waste and just not by the liberals, but all gov, including municipal and regional.

The bottom line for me is accountability. They lied to us pure and simple.
When the people you elect to look after your interests deliberately mislead you then it is a very sad day for democracy.
All other arguments pro or con for the tax are irrelevant.
A vote to scrap the HST is the only way to remind our elected officials who they work for. Otherwise we might as well just say goodbye to democracy.

So you are voting with emotions????

Cheers

SS
 
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Agreed that services have to be paid for and it always falls on the tax payer to do this but why after putting through these increases that the politicians always find room to give themselves a hefty pay increase?
 
Hmmm, 2.2 billion tax shift to average joes away from corporate sources. Oooopps, average joes are pissed we better change things up a bit and offer to lower the rate to 10% at some date in the future. Fast forward to the future, oooopps we need the money more than we thought so we cannot lower to 10% anymore, we may even need to raise it more. Sorry Nautigirl but my trust in govt is at an all time low and Christy crunch might have an engaging smile and be an excellent speaker but she is a political animal doing what she needs to do at the moment. If you want to pay more you can make a donation for all of us, I am sure that Christy and Jimmy will appreciate it.

Hard to believe there is anyone more cynical on this site than me but I think you might qualify.:p
 
Well I have to agree with the onefish & millertime. Cynical or not, they're right. This was a bullsh*t taxshift rammed down our throats with lies so lets just vote away the HST and shift it back . It was introduced as a revenue neutral tax so they're not losing tax income by switching back. Yes, the transition will take some time but the system was already established so it's way easier than they are suggesting. And don't cling to the promise of a reduction in the HST because that'll never happen. And the Liberals keep threatening us that we'll need to pay back the money to the Feds but they haven't even revealed to us if they've had a conversation with them to discuss the issue and the options. They'd rather leave things uncertain and threaten us with it. Fear and threats? Well I won't be swayed by those slimy Liberal tactics.

And these HST commercials are infuriating. What aggravates me is that they are haemorrhaging our tax dollars all over the place with no recourse to try to convince us it’s our responsibility to stick our heads in the sand and pay more in taxes while corporations pay less. Forget that.

Can't wait to vote. Adios HST.
 
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And these HST commercials are infuriating. What aggravates me is that they are haemorrhaging our tax dollars all over the place with no recourse to try to convince us it’s our responsibility to stick our heads in the sand and pay more in taxes while corporations pay less. Forget that.

Can't wait to vote. Adios HST.
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Who says you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Especially with TV commercials payed for with your own hard earned tax dollars.

It's a matter of Principles and yes I know a lot of people like Jimmy P. don't like that word but all great Democracies are built on Principles, i.e.; the Principle that your elected officials don't work to deliberately deceive you or in this case outright lie to you.

So are we great or are we just going to bend over and take it up the backside again?
If you are don't forget to cough.:p
 
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