Derby
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Our minister hard at work.
http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...ision+open+herring+fishery/9541803/story.html
http://www.vancouversun.com/technol...ision+open+herring+fishery/9541803/story.html
Judge overrules+minister+decision+open+herring+fishery
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Degree of Freedom
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so if you're in the government, you can **** up so bad that a judge has to step in, but you keep your job?!
gungadin
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Herring stocks are still not recovering in the areas that Gail Shea decided to over rule the scientists and and DFO. She is the same minister that is turfing out all the libraries written material in the research stations. Have a look at her bio, conservation is not in her personal agenda.
Sangstercraft
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BC First Nations's lawyers got the job done here. If we want more wins, it's worth thinking about how we can collaborate with them and find common ground to fight against that @#@#$@ gail shea $@@#.
Sangstercraft
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You can post feedback on her decision on her politician FB page https://www.facebook.com/gailshea
Big Green Machine
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People ***** about judges having no balls when it comes to criminal justice, yet this action shows that some judges do in fact have concern for our natural resource. Another good reason for us all to weigh our opinion on matters like this on a case by case basis instead of buying into the popular media. One of the problems we face is that the Feds and Provincial governments have way too much power to influence our courts in their decisions and when they don't get their way, they change the laws. That is a serious problem, and we have seen it with the latest Supreme Court ruling over the teachers right to bargain class size and composition. They court ruled that the BC government violated a civil right, yet all they do is change the laws, move the goal posts. I do not agree that teachers should have complete control of their working conditions being a teacher and Principal, but I do believe that governments should abide by court decisions otherwise, what do we really have? Is it really democratic society we think we are part of?
Big Green Machine
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Yes sir, excellent, sincerely!
Dogbreath
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Well posted!
searun
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What this judgement really gets at is the Minister has a fiduciary duty to exercise sound science based judgment when directing policy decisions and breaches that duty when choosing to ignore the advice of scientists. This is a huge judgement and you can bet the Minister will be more careful in future to ensure the advice she receives lines up with policy decisions made.
Exactly how it will work. Harpers been on it for years the scientists can't tell you what you don't want to hear if they are not doing research. And the judge can't say your ignoring science when the research isn't done.
I wish it were that easy and simple. Yes, searun - I agree that this SHOULD mean that the minister will be more careful. I have yet to see where a minister changes his/her behaviour due to 1 court case. Hell, they have ignored the 75 or so Cohen recommendations so far quite successfully.
Yes, they will make it sound like they might change things - but DFO is only compelled by the courts to alter the relationship to the original plaintiff and any intervenors in any single court case. They like it that way because it is the old divide-and-conquer gameplan. Very few groups or individuals can afford the $ million or so to successfully take DFO to court. DFO and Justice Canada has a squadron of staff lawyers and retained case-specific lawyers in Ottawa and elsewhere. They spend way more money fighting cases in the courts rather than just doing it right to begin with. Look at the SARA/Southern Orca case as an example: http://environmentallawcentre.wordpress.com/tag/orcas/
ALL ministers are incompetent figureheads wrt the portfolio they are rewarded with for being the Prime Minister's bum-buddy. Some have some financial or legal backgrounds - but that is a hindrance rather then a benefit in MHO. ALL follow and spout the propaganda and talking points developed by the PMO and the Privy Council. That is where our system is rotten to the core.
Then lobbyists make back-room deals with the appropriate Deputy Minister or the Assistant DM, and those decisions are pushed up the line for the Figurehead's signature and photo-op. Great system we have...
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trophywife
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i thought they did eels?
Andrew P
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mmmm yummy...
finaddict
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here is the message I just sent her....
You should be ashamed of yourself. Minister of what??? Your decision on west coast herring fisheries is an embarrassment to your department and yourself. Time to step down and let someone who actually cares about conservation have a chance to try to save herring on the west coast, not exploit them to oblivion
Foxsea
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DFO ‘fudging the numbers,’ court finds; bars commercial fishery off Vancouver Island
An unprecedented court injunction has barred the Department of Fisheries and Oceans from opening a commercial fishery off Vancouver Island after a judge concluded DFO was “fudging the numbers” and that the federal minister declared it open against her own bureaucrats’ advice.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...fishery-off-vancouver-island/article17391117/
An unprecedented court injunction has barred the Department of Fisheries and Oceans from opening a commercial fishery off Vancouver Island after a judge concluded DFO was “fudging the numbers” and that the federal minister declared it open against her own bureaucrats’ advice.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...fishery-off-vancouver-island/article17391117/
finaddict
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Just makes yah proud, don't it? Another East Coast Fisheries Minsiter doin' whatever they can to keep the lobbyists happy, even at the expense of their own #1 priority mandate to conserve and protect the stocks.
I am so "f'-ing sick and tred of east coast fisheries minister who could not give a rip for anything on the west coast. The only fisheries minister we ever had that had any West Coast cajones was David Anderson and even he sold out for a better portfolio. Well, actually he was pushed out by the West Coast Commercial Fisheries lobbyists who needed to get him out of that office so they could continue to over-harvest with impunity
Anderson’s time in the fisheries portfolio was marked by considerable controversy with the commercial fishing industry as he worked for strict conservation measures to protect fish stocks. These measures including a complete ban on the killing of Coho salmon in 1998. After six years of previous failures, he succeeded in getting an agreement with the United States under the Pacific Salmon Treaty to conserve salmon stocks and to end the destructive competitive fishing by the US and Canadian commercial fleets.
In the cabinet shuffle of 1999, Chrétien appointed Anderson Environment Minister. He served in that post for the following five years, making him the longest serving Canadian environment minister. In this period Anderson’s work largely centered around the Rio Summit conventions on biodiversity and climate change. He was successful in getting the Species at Risk Act passed by Parliament and signed into law (2004), and, despite strong objections from the governments of Saskatchewan, Alberta and Ontario and the federal Official Opposition, in securing Canadian ratification of the Kyoto Protocol in December 2002. Other initiatives involved improving air and water quality and established improved federal provincial cooperation on environmental issues.
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