It is legal

[alley cat]

FA you are being prodded to react .

AL

 

[Fishalot]

quote:Originally posted by The Fish Assassin

quote:This is a total joke, give them more power to abuse the resource.

What you must mean is... Give them more power to control their resources.

Take only what you need.

Thats the problem, FN put almost nothing into conserving the resource but think they should get everything. The tax paying public are the ones that keep "your" resource in existance. The government should be going the opposite direction and start taking away all your "traditional rights" and make you have to work to survive for once. But we all know that wont happen and 95% of you will continue to leech off of society.

 

[Last Chance]

Easy fellas...

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[geo_tonz]

Yeah, I can see these kind of antics on a Saturday night at the Legion and at least that's face to face. It be nice to see some kind of logical, intelligent discussion from both sides here. We're not going to change gov't policy but maybe we can educate each other and come to some kind of understanding. Think about it BEFORE you hit the post button!

The worst day fishing is better than the best day working...

 

[Cuba Libre]

Geo-- you beat me to it!! [8D]

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[disco]

Changes for the better are caused by people who have the courage to speak the truth and stand by their convictions and principals. Not by weasel word vendors chattering politically correct cliches. When rights and privileges are granted based on race, the correct descriptive word is racism. Any other description is PC ********!

 

[SerengetiGuide]

I can see where fishalot is coming from, but what frustrates me is seeing modern techonologies used for "traditional" reasons. It just does not make any sense. However, I think the word "leech" may of been a little too harsh. But I understand his anger...

www.serengetifishingcharters.com

*NEW VIDEO*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlEzuNC59ck

 

[Despy]

Every living person in Canada is an immigrant. The only difference is timing. In other words , it is simply a matter of ancestors arriving at different times. Now if we extrapolate this theory, that means I would have a lot more rights, get bigger tax breaks and more government support than someone who`s father came here thirty years ago.
If every person in Canada , of legal age, got to vote on the FN issues, on a secret ballot, you can be damn sure the situation would be drastically altered and many of the rights and priviledges would be gone.
What I`m saying is that public and private opinions are very different for a large percentage of the population.

 

[Charlie]

It seems some are missing a small point here? This is NOT about "Race"! It's all about "treaties"!

"Treaties can be loosely compared to contracts: both are means of willing parties assuming obligations among themselves, and a party to either that fails to live up to their obligations can be held liable under international law for that breach. The central principle of treaty law is expressed in the maxim pacta sunt servanda—"pacts must be respected"."

In case you don’t know, Canada is in treaty negotiations “right now”! If you want to change something, now is the time - right now, not 5 years from now. There are several and I do mean "a lot" of Indians, Tribes, Bands, First Nations, or whatever, negotiating treaties with Canada. If you don't like something... quit bickering and whining… and start writing letters while these treaties are under negotiation! Once signed (I don’t care if you or any individual is “purple, with pointed ears and has square eyes”), that treaty will be upheld by the Supreme Court… and YOU won't be able to change anything! Trust me… been there done that!

The first link I would diffidently read! The second, is who I would probably write… along with none other than your DFO Minister Gail Shae.
http://www.temexw.org/blog-oct22-09.html
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ai/min/index-eng.asp
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/tapd/tr_negot_e.htm
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ai/index-eng.asp
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/al/hts/tgu/pubs/t1-2/tre1-2-eng.asp

 

[islandboy]

If you look at the problem of tribal "ownership" versus individual ownership you will discover that in a society where the community owns and the individual is held responsible, the individual has no power. Some have said this is the problem in Africa as no-one has collateral to grow with. Read "Dead Aid" by Dambisa Moyo. Many parallels to our "reservation" system.

Some treaty negotiations are heading towards a much more equal footing for all;

"The treaty team for the Gitxsan is proposing a groundbreaking solution to the land-claims impasse: They are willing to relinquish status Indian benefits – their reserves, tax exemptions, housing and other financial supports – in exchange for a share of resources from their traditional territories, which cover 33,000 square kilometres of northwestern British Columbia."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-head-of-bc-treaty-commission/article1357349/

www.kayaks2.com

 

[Duffer]

In addition to the millions paid by DFO to buyback commercial licenses owned by Nuu-chah-nulth fishermen, DFO gave the Nuu-chah-nulth an additional $20 million to spend on their food fishery and it also bought and transferred millions of dollars worth of salmon, crab, halibut and other licences to the Nuu-chah-nulth. Many of these licences are leased out and a number of Nuu-chah-nulth fishermen also lease out their licences including halibut quota. Here is part of the discussion in the ruling on this point:

It was pointed out#133; in cross-examination that the Nuu-chah-nulth do have 25 communal commercial licences, some of which are leased to non-Nuu-chah-nulth fishers. He responded that some of them are not being fished because of the current poor state of the salmon fishery and some are not fished because there are no fishers with suitable vessels who can afford to fish. (para. 660)


I dont understand why the Nuu-chah-nulth didnt use the 20 million to buy suitable vesseels to fish with?

Is this the next issue for the treaty? Am I missing something here or are these not facts?

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by CC Charters

In addition to the millions paid by DFO to buyback commercial licenses owned by Nuu-chah-nulth fishermen, DFO gave the Nuu-chah-nulth an additional $20 million to spend on their food fishery and it also bought and transferred millions of dollars worth of salmon, crab, halibut and other licences to the Nuu-chah-nulth. Many of these licences are leased out and a number of Nuu-chah-nulth fishermen also lease out their licences including halibut quota. Here is part of the discussion in the ruling on this point:

It was pointed out#133; in cross-examination that the Nuu-chah-nulth do have 25 communal commercial licences, some of which are leased to non-Nuu-chah-nulth fishers. He responded that some of them are not being fished because of the current poor state of the salmon fishery and some are not fished because there are no fishers with suitable vessels who can afford to fish. (para. 660)


I dont understand why the Nuu-chah-nulth didnt use the 20 million to buy suitable vesseels to fish with?

Is this the next issue for the treaty? Am I missing something here or are these not facts?

You might be a tad light on your 20 million figure? This is what they have been paid since 4/01/2006. It could be closer to $116,182,944.00. Total population for the 14 nations in the Nuuchahnulth Tribal is 8,147 according to the Nuuchahnulth tribal council Indian registry from February 2006. That only equates to $14,260.82 each?

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: PORT ALBERNI, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA
Date: 2009/06/15
Value: $35,595,435.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Education, Land Management, Social Development, Indian Registration, Economic Development, Community Development, Indian Government Support, Claims and Indian Government, Governance and Institutions of Government
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: PORT ALBERNI, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA
Date: 2009/03/31
Value: $2,204,238.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Education, Land Management, Northern Affairs, Social Development, Indian Registration, Community Development, Governance and Institutions of Government
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Location: PORT ALBERNI, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA
Date: 2009/03/16
Value: $91,966.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Economic Development
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: PORT ALBERNI, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA
Date: 2008/09/09
Value: $253,282.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Education, Social Development, Community Development, Indian Government Support, Claims and Indian Government, Governance and Institutions of Government
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2007/04/01
Value: $36,530,798.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Claims, Community Development, Economic Development, Education, Indian Government Support, Indian Registration, Other Program Reporting, Social Development
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2007-01-08
Value: $395,000.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Institutional Development- XDO
Comments: Third Party Distribution

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2007-01-08
Value: $105,000.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Institutional Development- XDO
Comments: Third Party Distribution

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2007-03-23
Value: $872,891.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Community Infrastructure, Economic Development, Education, Indian Registration / Band Governance, Lands, Social Development
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2007-04-17
Value: $3,289,535.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Community Infrastructure
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2006-12-21
Value: $4,671,367.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Community Infrastructure, Economic Development, Indian Government Services, Lands
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2006-08-25
Value: $290,172.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Community Infrastructure, Education, Indian Government Services, Indian Registration / Band Governance, Social Development
Comments:

Recipient Name: NUU-CHAH-NULTH TRIBAL COUNCIL
Location: Port Alberni, British Columbia, Canada
Date: 2006-04-01
Value: $31,883,260.00
Type: Contribution
Purpose: Community Infrastructure, Comprehensive Claims, Economic Development, Education, Indian Government Services, Indian Registration / Band Governance, Social Development
Comments:

 

[alley cat]

Well said and when cogent respectful arguments are put out like that it is a breath of fresh air compared to the other rants which only create chaos and anger.
You are right and waste is a factor none of us can tolerate anymore in consideration of the plight our wild salmon are in , sadly they cannot speak for themselves and we that can sometimes spend more time finger pointing than offering solutions.

AL