IMPORTANT NOTE FROM SFI-BC & SVIAC Re: FISHING REGS

[profisher]

What would it achieve now? We lost a political battle to the greens. Time to make sure we don't loose that battle next time. You can't win when your mouth has nothing but rage spewing out. . We have to come together with one voice and make sure we win the next time.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Yeah we also can’t win without awareness and information telling people what they need to do. I thought I would see something on my social media but nothing. I guess this is the part where we are unorganized come new into play.

When the emergency SRKW meetings were going around I saw them aftertised on bon chovys, pacific anglers, Fraser valley anglers, fwr, Berry’s bait, hardcore salmon fishing social media platforms and they got a lot of attention here locally and resulted in a pretty big turn out at bass pros.

Obviously this has become a cost wide issue now and something well written that could be shared on social media platforms and tell people to write letters would be good.

 

[Floater]

Good friend of mine runs a social media advertising company. We were sitting around a camp fire a couple months ago and he brings up sport fishing with me. We talk for 5 minutes until I thought hmmm he is suddenly quite know

I know for a fact the ENGOs hired social media companies. The same types that got Trump elected and are involved in all other political campaigns. Going up against a bunch of unorganized rec fishers to change the public opinion is/was child’s play for them.
It’s obvious what money and lobbying can do. They lost the pipeline battle so they throw them a bone with “saving the whales” at the rec sector expense. We are all on the water and know these closures will do nothing. If companies and communities directly involved in the rec fishing don’t get together and start putting money into this there is no hope.
A few people volunteering their time isn’t going to get it done and it’s not fair to blame them for DFO not listening. They are an advisory board, they advised and DFO didn’t take the advice.
I wonder what Horgan has to say about this I believe he is a sport fisherman?

Same typea that got Trump elected?!

Are you not paying attention man?! It’s the LEFT side of politics that hunts us and our freedoms and way of life. Jesus Christ when will people see what’s happening right in front of them??!

It’s the Leftist pukes that enact restrictions on the people who care most about this fishery all for nothing but laying down with their white guilt, making policy that does NOTHING to achieve the goal of salmon enhancement and to appease a group of “persecuted” people.

Give me a break, Leftists are the scourge of the earth and authoritarian to their core.

 

[Floater]

The only part of the new regs for Sooke that will save a few Chinook and I mean a few as we only took 2% of the stocks of concern before the new regs is the extension of the slot sizes. The extra 2 weeks of 67cm in June and 85cm in July will allow a few more fish to make it to the Fraser as they will be released....once they hit the river the nets will have that many more available to them. The closing of areas does nothing at all to save fish. Al it does is jam and I mean jam the same number of boats and lines that would be spread out into a very much smaller condensed area. The same number of lines and effort will catch the same number of fish. The only difference will be the quality of the fishing experience will be in the tank. It will be combat fishing rod tip to rod tip. Visitors will not enjoy their trips with guides. I always burnt extra fuel to go to Sheringham where on a weekday I would be 1 of a half dozen boats fishing there and on weekends maybe 15 to 20 boats. Now I will be down at the Trap with 100 to 200 boats depending on the day of the week. I can only imagine the cluster that is going to take place in the rip off the east side off Otter on the flood tides. This will not be a fun year. How many more guys will pull their boats up to Renfrew and catch the Sooke bound fish before they get to the closed area? There will be moorage opening up in Sooke for sure.

I honestly don’t think these people are stupid enough to think these restrictions will work. It’s just a platform to increase restrictions in the years coming.

I’ll bet my bottom dollar that in 2 years, the whole of BC will be non retention. We will cry foul, but they have the button.

 

[Floater]

People may feel like they are doing the right thing by voting for Leftists. Nothing could be more from the truth.

EVERYTHING these people do for “the greater good” is a smoke screen for less freedoms and continuation of the erosion of our way of life.

They have been masterful in their manipulation with the mainstream media in tow.

Wake up people. Take the Red Pill fast or your grandchildren will grow up in a world that we won’t recognize. This fishery is but one example of how it all goes down. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

Honestly, this whole fiasco saddens me. Bad.

 

[wildmanyeah]

People may feel like they are doing the right thing by voting for Leftists. Nothing could be more from the truth.

EVERYTHING these people do for “the greater good” is a smoke screen for less freedoms and continuation of the erosion of our way of life.

They have been masterful in their manipulation with the mainstream media in tow.

Wake up people. Take the Red Pill fast or your grandchildren will grow up in a world that we won’t recognize. This fishery is but one example of how it all goes down. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

We were well warned when the grizzled bear hunting ending.

NOG made sure of that

 

[profisher]

Blaming left voting people? So you are willing to use the mistake that was partly to blame for Hillary loosing the US election...calling all those who would vote for Trump.."A basket of deplorable s" How fast do you think that made people who where republican but were not going to vote for him, change their minds again? That comment was interpreted by every republican that she was including them in that basket. If you think you can afford to toss away every left leaning person in this battle...you loose before you even start.

 

[searun]

Shawn..I have been doing the same for the same period of time. In our case they are not following the data they are bowing to political pressure from a special interest group. It is one thing if the data points a finger back at you and proper management measures are required. You can then say to yourself...well my data did come back to bite me but if I'm the problem..so be it. I have to live with good data and science..both when to my advantage and when not. This is totally something else. I'm on the fence right now. I would not look forward to making a call to Martin Paish and telling him I won't do a log book anymore on these grounds.

Sad to hear that. The data actually helps us at times make a science based argument for tailoring management measures to produce a fishery that actually protects the fish we need to, and allows a fishery for those we don't. IMO if we stop providing the CWT heads, log books and DNA samples then we are the one's who will lose out. In the area I fish, we were able to actually use the data to open a place that was closed largely because of a "perception" of where certain fish stocks were being caught - data proved otherwise.

Ultimately you have to decide for yourself if you want an opportunity to have data you helped provide used in making management decisions, its that simple. If you are prepared to roll the dice on what DFO might do if they have to make decisions based on old data or perceptions, then that's OK too. I know this...in reaching some of the exploitation assessments, DFO science was taking whacky estimates of CWT (coded wire tag) data by using a guestimate of 18x the actual CWT tags turned in for one area based on the very low participation rate by anglers in that area....the lack of data actually worked against those guys in that area because we allowed DFO to make it up.

There you go. Your call.

 

[profisher]

I called Martin and we had a heart to heart. I'll be carrying on. He convinced me that without the data we had it would have been even worse. I just needed to hear and reinforce the logic again and cage up the other emotions.

 

[UkeeDreamin]

If you think that is the wackiest guesstimate DFO makes wrt rec fishing data, low volume of data or high, I could share some stories w/ u over beers that’d make you lose any faith you may have left! Makes me sick and I wish I didn’t know some of what I know ... but then I suppose that’s how the world works once you peel back the layers - often pretty ugly underneath!

Cheers!

Ukee

 

[Admin]

So far the posts have been mostly civil so let's not drag the political angle into this. Plain and simple, there has not been enough money or resources directed at fisheries on the westcoast for decades now. Blaming one side or the other of the political spectrum is an argument that isn't defensible, so better to not start it at all.

 

[Floater]

Blaming left voting people? So you are willing to use the mistake that was partly to blame for Hillary loosing the US election...calling all those who would vote for Trump.."A basket of deplorable s" How fast do you think that made people who where republican but were not going to vote for him, change their minds again? That comment was interpreted by every republican that she was including them in that basket. If you think you can afford to toss away every left leaning person in this battle...you loose before you even start.

Fair call, that was a little out of line and quite the generalization. Sorry.

 

[Irishwolf]

Sad to hear that. The data actually helps us at times make a science based argument for tailoring management measures to produce a fishery that actually protects the fish we need to, and allows a fishery for those we don't. IMO if we stop providing the CWT heads, log books and DNA samples then we are the one's who will lose out. In the area I fish, we were able to actually use the data to open a place that was closed largely because of a "perception" of where certain fish stocks were being caught - data proved otherwise.

Ultimately you have to decide for yourself if you want an opportunity to have data you helped provide used in making management decisions, its that simple. If you are prepared to roll the dice on what DFO might do if they have to make decisions based on old data or perceptions, then that's OK too. I know this...in reaching some of the exploitation assessments, DFO science was taking whacky estimates of CWT (coded wire tag) data by using a guestimate of 18x the actual CWT tags turned in for one area based on the very low participation rate by anglers in that area....the lack of data actually worked against those guys in that area because we allowed DFO to make it up.

There you go. Your call.

This is called Local Knowledge guys, YOUR knowledge and its a HUGE missed data opportunity if not used. Local Knowledge of fishing effort provides another data layer from which management decisions can be made. It may be an estimate, but it's these estimates, if processed properly can fill in holes in the data and provide fresh outlooks on the resource. @Searuns story about perception is a prime example of how Local Knowledge can help.

I'm going to see if I can get my hands on some of these data and see what I can do with it - I have a background in this area.

 

[calmsea]

And you think that most of the current decisions were made on basis of any science or data? Laughable! In particular the SRKW closures, EVERYONE with some knowledge on these whales said that these closures will do NOTHING to improve their conditions but voila there you have it! Reckless and inconsiderate of any advice. Great motivation to help DFO collect scientific data. Me thinks that is a waste of time.

 

[searun]

And you think that most of the current decisions were made on basis of any science or data? Laughable! In particular the SRKW closures, EVERYONE with some knowledge on these whales said that these closures will do NOTHING to improve their conditions but voila there you have it! Reckless and inconsiderate of any advice. Great motivation to help DFO collect scientific data. Me thinks that is a waste of time.

Actually yes, the science (being CWT data) demonstrated some areas and times where Fraser stocks of concern were not going to be impacted by our fishery...thus some areas were spared, and areas that could have been completely closed to NO fishing had modified fisheries. Data can also be used to hold those decision makers who make BS management calls accountable. The SRKW area closure is a prime example of management by perception where there were other options that quite likely would have been just as effective. Not to mention my pet peeve, we have area closures for only ONE vessel community and not the others who are very likely worse at physical and acoustic disturbance.

 

[dmurph]

Yes I feel bad for the people of Sooke doesn’t stop there though, all the boat builders, motor manufacturers, companies like Scotty, sportfishing, restaurants and service industry in general through out, this is a massive impact. People thinking of life style changes, I was considering moving to Sooke not to long back. An impact on a way of life for so many people. My family fish together, a way of life my son has known since birth. The thought that it can be taken away just like that is very scary. Back east you pretty much can’t fish anything without a commercial license, again scary.

I was once told by a senior management in a large corporation that I worked at, you don’t need to actually solve the problem you just need to do something. All just perception and politics.

 

[UkeeDreamin]

With the very real prospect of Turd-eau getting turfed next fall, how long do you think it will take for the Conservatives to propose the rec sector can regain access to Chinook by buying quota from commercial or FN’s, just like halibut? I suppose we can always hope, but we rarely get limits/quota back once we’ve lost it.

Cheers!

Ukee

 

[SalishSlayer]

With the very real prospect of Turd-eau getting turfed next fall, how long do you think it will take for the Conservatives to propose the rec sector can regain access to Chinook by buying quota from commercial or FN’s, just like halibut? I suppose we can always hope, but we rarely get limits/quota back once we’ve lost it.

Cheers!

Ukee

^^^^^this will be the future of sport fishing^^^^^^^

 

[High Time]

I live on Pender Island and as you are aware my sport fishery has been DESTROYED. Not restricted,not a partial closure,a smaller bag limit,not for just Chinook but all finfish. It has been DESTROYED. I can now sit on my deck and watch the armada of whale watching boats escort every Orca that passes through, in what is now their private viewing area from the U.S border to Active Pass. I am numb, I am gutted....

 

[wolf]

Well ill say this I got burned about 12 years ago doing a log book i got kicked in the left nut I did it last year with hesitation and look where it got us we got kicked in the right nut . sorry I dont have any more balls to give up they are sore as ****....
What disturbs me the most there has been NO push back From CERTAIN groups that I support my faith has gone with my NUTS....
And I hate to say but them creel people better steer clear of me and my clients ive been backstabbed enough.