Halibut issue

[Derby]

Before jumping to instant conclusions, there maybe more to this direction than meets the eye. It maybe time to look at all options and start building relationships and solutions that work for all, rather than enemies and short term patches. Start working on the things that you do want rather than the ones you don't. Just saying review it before you say screw it!

I'll bite- "Please tell"- Is there some new options available?I know that we have always gone into the DFO process in the belief that this was going to have fair results for both sides . Can You broker a private meeting where we can sit down with working Commercial fisheries and we can get something done -perhaps get a fair deal for all?
Have the "flipper skippers" like the Tin man in the wizard of Oz "suddenly got a heart"?
The door has never closed from our side but gets pretty tough after 7 years of getting it slammed in the sport fishing community face from both industry & DFO.

 

[JackVautour]

Stephen Hume said it right in January

"Sports angler" evokes the image of a guy with a beat-up 14-foot tinny and an eight horsepower kicker. Today it includes charter operators with $50,000 boats able to run out to exposed halibut banks and multimillionaire owners of luxury lodges who market to well-heeled tourists.

Some of these commercial "sports" outfits need a thousand employees just to keep their resorts, marinas, restaurants and gift shops staffed. They have been so successful marketing that tourists now outnumber local anglers by about 75 per cent. And they take about 60 per cent of the sports halibut quota.

In fact, for the last three years they've regularly overfished their allocated quota.

Just to put this in perspective, low-end charters run around $950 a day. Mid-range -how about $6,700 for four days guided fishing? At the high end, a three-day getaway for two goes for $20,000 and a four-day helicopter fishing jaunt is advertised for $161,910.

Anglers who ante up that kind of dough expect to catch fish, lots of fish, hence the recent desire for increases in daily catch limits by the "sports" anglers. But we're entering a low abundance year for halibut and catch restrictions are advised. So now tourists are booked when catches may be reduced. How to justify fishing into depleting stocks? Have commercial quota reduced by reallocation.

Frankly, folks with those kinds of assets, charging those kinds of fees, should be able to buy extra quota from the commercial fleet instead of asking that it simply be reassigned.

This brings us back to semantics and spin.

This debate isn't about big business versus little guys; it's strictly about competing business interests and whether one should get a subsidy.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhXjQvkK



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhWn3oRs

 

[Derby]

Stephen Hume said it right in January

"Sports angler" evokes the image of a guy with a beat-up 14-foot tinny and an eight horsepower kicker. Today it includes charter operators with $50,000 boats able to run out to exposed halibut banks and multimillionaire owners of luxury lodges who market to well-heeled tourists.

Some of these commercial "sports" outfits need a thousand employees just to keep their resorts, marinas, restaurants and gift shops staffed. They have been so successful marketing that tourists now outnumber local anglers by about 75 per cent. And they take about 60 per cent of the sports halibut quota.

In fact, for the last three years they've regularly overfished their allocated quota.

Just to put this in perspective, low-end charters run around $950 a day. Mid-range -how about $6,700 for four days guided fishing? At the high end, a three-day getaway for two goes for $20,000 and a four-day helicopter fishing jaunt is advertised for $161,910.

Anglers who ante up that kind of dough expect to catch fish, lots of fish, hence the recent desire for increases in daily catch limits by the "sports" anglers. But we're entering a low abundance year for halibut and catch restrictions are advised. So now tourists are booked when catches may be reduced. How to justify fishing into depleting stocks? Have commercial quota reduced by reallocation.

Frankly, folks with those kinds of assets, charging those kinds of fees, should be able to buy extra quota from the commercial fleet instead of asking that it simply be reassigned.

This brings us back to semantics and spin.

This debate isn't about big business versus little guys; it's strictly about competing business interests and whether one should get a subsidy.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhXjQvkK



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhWn3oRs

Bring it on

 

[h-core]

Stephen Hume said it right in January

"Sports angler" evokes the image of a guy with a beat-up 14-foot tinny and an eight horsepower kicker. Today it includes charter operators with $50,000 boats able to run out to exposed halibut banks and multimillionaire owners of luxury lodges who market to well-heeled tourists.

Some of these commercial "sports" outfits need a thousand employees just to keep their resorts, marinas, restaurants and gift shops staffed. They have been so successful marketing that tourists now outnumber local anglers by about 75 per cent. And they take about 60 per cent of the sports halibut quota.

In fact, for the last three years they've regularly overfished their allocated quota.

Just to put this in perspective, low-end charters run around $950 a day. Mid-range -how about $6,700 for four days guided fishing? At the high end, a three-day getaway for two goes for $20,000 and a four-day helicopter fishing jaunt is advertised for $161,910.

Anglers who ante up that kind of dough expect to catch fish, lots of fish, hence the recent desire for increases in daily catch limits by the "sports" anglers. But we're entering a low abundance year for halibut and catch restrictions are advised. So now tourists are booked when catches may be reduced. How to justify fishing into depleting stocks? Have commercial quota reduced by reallocation.

Frankly, folks with those kinds of assets, charging those kinds of fees, should be able to buy extra quota from the commercial fleet instead of asking that it simply be reassigned.

This brings us back to semantics and spin.

This debate isn't about big business versus little guys; it's strictly about competing business interests and whether one should get a subsidy.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhXjQvkK



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion...mantics+spin/4189282/story.html#ixzz1DhWn3oRs

Stephen Hume is out of touch with reality, apperently you are too. Are you a slipper skipper?

 

[Derby]

Must be- He has to use Stephen Hume's words

 

[Derby]

Just thinking out loud" where are the "flipper skippers" It really sad that we only hear from the good hard working commercial halibut fisherman. Guess they don't want to come out and play- Perhaps the "flipper skippers" are the ones that are paying for the 2 full time boy's they have in Ottawa making sure they profitable business interests is taken care of ?? Mmm -seems it's always the hard works people that do the work.

 

[fish4all]

Just thinking out loud" where are the "flipper skippers" It really sad that we only hear from the good hard working commercial halibut fisherman. Guess they don't want to come out and play- Perhaps the "flipper skippers" are the ones that are paying for the 2 full time boy's they have in Ottawa making sure they profitable business interests is taken care of ?? Mmm -seems it's always the hard works people that do the work.

who are the 2 full time boys in ottawa..... i would say you are fos

 

[Derby]

who are the 2 full time boys in ottawa..... i would say you are fos

Really wow- you do have your head in the sand

Which one are you?

 

[fish4all]

Really wow- you do have your head in the sand

Which one are you?

flat of beer says you can't find 1 name of a current lobbiest in ottawa paid for by the halibut fleet.

 

[Derby]

flat of beer says you can't find 1 name of a current lobbiest in ottawa paid for by the halibut fleet.

So which one are you?

You cannot be the hard working commercial fisherman?

Are you a Flipper Skipper?

Perhaps tied into the Farm fish industry?

For everyone out there that knows me-Bet you I can

 

[GLG]

flat of beer says you can't find 1 name of a current lobbiest in ottawa paid for by the halibut fleet.

How about this guy. John Maldwyn Thomas
Could he be the lobbyist that doesn’t exist?
I’ll take that flat of beer now. Make it Coors light
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/or..._ls4d_ls64_ls4b_ls79=1297614891034&_STRTG3=tr

His client is Chris Sporer the executive manager of the Pacific Halibut Management Association

GLG

 

[fishingbc]

Lobbyist: John Maldwyn Thomas
Consulting firm: Self-Employed
Client: Pacific Halibut Management Association of British Columbia
Name change history Version: 781565-15292-5
Type: Registration update Active from: 2010-12-30
A. Registrant
Consultant lobbyist name:
John Maldwyn Thomas Lobbyist business address
Lobbyist business address: 1982 Waton Street
Victoria, BC V8R 3H8
Canada Telephone number: 250-592-9961 Fax number: 250-592-9945 Former public office holder: Yes
B. Information about Client
Client: Pacific Halibut Management Association of British Columbia
PO Box 16046 - 617 Belmont Street
New Westminster, BC
V3M 6W6
Canada Telephone number: 604-523-1528 Fax number: 604-648-8737 Principal representative of the client: Chris Sporer
Position title: Executive Manager

How about this guy. John Maldwyn Thomas
Could he be the lobbyist that doesn’t exist?
I’ll take that flat of beer now. Make it Coors light
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/or..._ls4d_ls64_ls4b_ls79=1297614891034&_STRTG3=tr

His client is Chris Sporer the executive manager of the Pacific Halibut Management Association

GLG

 

[fish4all]

How about this guy. John Maldwyn Thomas
Could he be the lobbyist that doesn’t exist?
I’ll take that flat of beer now. Make it Coors light
https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/or..._ls4d_ls64_ls4b_ls79=1297614891034&_STRTG3=tr

His client is Chris Sporer the executive manager of the Pacific Halibut Management Association

GLG

nope try again muldy has not been on the phma payroll for over 18months. because he uses phma as a past reference does not mean he is in ottawa representing phma.

 

[fishingbc]

fish4all what no comment....the net...a beautiful thing....

Lobbyist: John Maldwyn Thomas
Consulting firm: Self-Employed
Client: Pacific Halibut Management Association of British Columbia
Name change history Version: 781565-15292-5
Type: Registration update Active from: 2010-12-30
A. Registrant
Consultant lobbyist name:
John Maldwyn Thomas Lobbyist business address
Lobbyist business address: 1982 Waton Street
Victoria, BC V8R 3H8
Canada Telephone number: 250-592-9961 Fax number: 250-592-9945 Former public office holder: Yes
B. Information about Client
Client: Pacific Halibut Management Association of British Columbia
PO Box 16046 - 617 Belmont Street
New Westminster, BC
V3M 6W6
Canada Telephone number: 604-523-1528 Fax number: 604-648-8737 Principal representative of the client: Chris Sporer
Position title: Executive Manager

 

[fishingbc]

Consultant lobbyist name: John Maldwyn Thomas Business address: 1982 Waton Street
Victoria, BC V8R 3H8
Canada Telephone number: 250-592-9961 Fax number: 250-592-9945

fish4all what no comment....the net...a beautiful thing....

 

[fishingbc]

Type: Registration update Active from: 2010-12-30

nope try again muldy has not been on the payroll for over 2 yrs.

 

[fishingbc]

just like those multi million dollar F#@*^KED UP salmon farms adds.....can't believe everything you read.....ya ok.....

nope try again muldy has not been on the payroll for over 2 yrs.

 

[fish4all]

call and ask him then.

 

[GLG]

Good point fish4all. He may have finished his work with lobbying the Minister of DFO and other MP’s of the House. No sense staying on the payroll when you have achieved your results. Perhaps he will be back on the payroll next week when a letter or meeting is needed to support the commercials interests.

Still think you owe me the beer.

GLG

 

[fish4all]

Good point fish4all. He may have finished his work with lobbying the Minister of DFO and other MP’s of the House. No sense staying on the payroll when you have achieved your results. Perhaps he will be back on the payroll next week when a letter or meeting is needed to support the commercials interests.

Still think you owe me the beer.

GLG

Tell ya what. When the decision comes out and things quiet down a bit, although I know there have been no paid lobbiest by the phma over this issue, I would gladly sit accross the table, discuss our differences and buy a beer for you and a tequila for me. Who knows may even be able to find some common ground in this mess.