HALIBUT CLOSURE

So many things wrong with this process.
Commercial Catch is easy to account.
Rec Catch is a guess at best and they are not looking to guess low.
They want to sell that F'n Quota.

We need a Lawyer. Which would come at a huge cost but is the only way.

I hate that this is all political BS.
 
i got flown over 4 times while anchored in the sound... no hali on board... three rods out so i guess they figr i killed 12? when it was a ZERO.
Will be interesting to see where the overage occurred. Until that it's hard to say whether the estimate is off or whether there were more fish caught, given DF O uses a few different methods to estimate depending on area. For example flyovers vs guide logs.
 
We should be thinking about ways to be more accountable for our catch as well as getting more tac. The fact that they really have no idea how much we catch is as big of a problem as not having enough tac
 
We should be thinking about ways to be more accountable for our catch as well as getting more tac. The fact that they really have no idea how much we catch is as big of a problem as not having enough tac
Well I know how much I catch! The fact DFO can't be bothered to ask me as part of my license renewal is a failure on their part.
 
If quota is being bought, as I understand it it is from the 85% the commercial boats own, not our 15%. If so,it wouldn't make a difference to us as recreational fisherman in regards to the early closing this year.

I was just trying to convey my frustration that most of the quota was taken by resorts that you need lots of money to go to and now only people with lots of money can fish for halibut...
 
Well I know how much I catch! The fact DFO can't be bothered to ask me as part of my license renewal is a failure on their part.
actually you can report when you go to renew - it IS all there online under 'record your catch', but problem being, most are too lazy. I have to assume they would use what they get and extrapolate from there. We 'could' deal with this, but getting the message out to all fishers is impossible, and 90% of them can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes a year filling it out!
 
actually you can report when you go to renew - it IS all there online under 'record your catch', but problem being, most are too lazy. I have to assume they would use what they get and extrapolate from there. We 'could' deal with this, but getting the message out to all fishers is impossible, and 90% of them can't be bothered to spend 5 minutes a year filling it out!
hmm, that said, they could 'improve' on this, instead of making it optional, 'force' us to enter the prior years data prior to allowing us access to the renewal page. Still relies on honesty which would be a tough one, but at least its a step in right direction. Doesn't help halibut in-season issues, but maybe a simple different page for more real time halibut entry - just enter license number and halibut info as it comes?? Once again, big issue because most don't care, most don't trust, nor want to tell the government whats up, and that is the problem with our sports sector.
 
It shouldn't be optional. If, as part of the online renewal process you were required to give your last years recorded catch record off your previous license for halibut salmon and anything else they make you record, they would have a pretty accurate picture.

Would some people give false info? Maybe although I don't know why! At any rate these are the same people who would lie and try and beat the system, regardless. I would hope that this would be a very small percentage of the population.

Would it take additional manpower? Maybe, but all we are talking about is capturing electronic information that the customer provides. A good programmer could make this work I'm sure? In addition once it's set up it may alleviate some of the requirement for fly overs, creel surveys , random online surveys and spot checks saving both manpower and resources. Im not suggesting this survey totally take the place of current practises, but rather compliment them. Let's face it the current old school system is not working. Maybe adopting new technology,reassignment of manpower and resources is the answer
 
The reality is at this point is unless we make a collective stand ....the status quo will continue

I just got off the phone with a buddy and yes
He confirms that the commercial sector has still about 2 million pounds in the water.

Even if the weather cooperates with the commercial fishery, it is extremely unlikely they will catch even close to the 2 million pounds.

complete and utter mismanagement of a fishery by DFO as they are responsible under the eyes of the IPHC to control the fishery and distribute the allocation accordingly.

The fish are there people
Conservation is not the issue
It's the governments continued mismanagement that's the route issue here
 
They could catch the fish ...do they have enough yellow quote left to fish the fishery? so the fish left is more about the yellow eye by catch...something we as sport fisherman have to be concerned about going forward as well....
 
They can't fish where they used to and no...I don't believe they have enough yellow eye by catch quota to get it done
Once again a mismanagement process brought forth by DFO

Also, we have decenders so our by catch is minimal
The commercial sector simply catch avoid it in most places
 
one doesn't know what the bye catch is until the actually fish.. The commercial sectors share the yellow eye quota as they seemed to find enough for the ling cod guys to go back into the water to get the quota out this season... and yes the descending device work and really well as I had great success with yellow eye and rock cod releases this season.. rather nice not seeing floaters around for once... hopefully everyone is using them as we will need them too ...as we too are capped bye yellow eye bye catch
 
October 10, 2017



An Open Letter to The Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans from the BC Wildlife Federation and the SFI

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October 10, 2017

The Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, MP
Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard
House of Commons
Parliament Buildings, Wellington Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6

Dear Minister LeBlanc,

Re: An open letter seeking change to Pacific Halibut recreational fishery management

We write to you on behalf of the Board of Directors and members of the Sport Fishing Institute of BC and the BC Wildlife Federation (BCWF). Our two organizations represent the interests of the primary and secondary portions of the recreational fishing sector on BC’s coast. Members of the BCWF number over 50,000 and the SFI members serve many of the 300,000 anglers that acquire tidal water licences every year.

We are disappointed by DFO’s treatment of recreational opportunity and access to halibut on the Pacific coast during the 2017 season. The department’s decision to close the fishery on September 6, 2017, reflects the flawed management practices that have been in place since 2003 and the arbitrary allocation of 85 percent of Pacific halibut to commercial harvest without taking adequate account of the social and economic value of the recreational fishery.

The unsatisfactory allocation formula has required our sector to develop measures to ration and slow harvest to secure a reliable and full season. In a conscientious effort to stay within the 15 percent amount, daily and total possession limits have been cut, the maximum size of fish an angler could retain reduced dramatically, and an annual limit imposed. Until this year these measures were having the desired effect of providing a year-round fishery. As a result, the 2016 rules were rolled over into 2017 with the hope that they would continue to meet the need, but also with the expectation that if they proved inadequate the department would give the recreational sector the same consideration it accords commercial quota holders who can carry uncaught fish from year to year.

It now is clear that a couple of things changed in 2017. The average size of halibut increased, and with our support the department improved catch monitoring and put in place a more precautionary formula for assessing catch including an internet survey of anglers. However, when partial and questionable forecast numbers in August suggested that the recreational catch was likely to exceed the 15 percent allocation by the end of September, instead of providing flexibility based on the past surpluses, the September 6 closure was imposed with no apparent regard for the social and economic consequences.

It is our collective view that the decision to close the recreational fishery demonstrated how little regard the department seems to give to 300,000 tidal licence holders and the sector that accounts for fully half the economic value of all BC fisheries. The implications of the closure will extend well beyond the end of 2017 and impact opportunities for small coastal communities and local businesses for years to come.

Halibut in BC waters are not in a state of conservation concern, the stock is in an increasing cycle, and average sizes of halibut are increasing. The conservation risk of keeping the recreational fishery open with only the potential of being slightly over the recreational TAC is negligible and falls within the margin of error in any data set used.

The ill-considered decision has reignited anger about the underlying cause of this closure. How is it that government can allow 435 quota holders to possess, in advance of harvest, 85 percent of Pacific halibut available to Canada in circumstances where most of the quota holders do not fish but simply lease their harvest rights to the skippers of 140 or so remaining vessels, effectively creating a fleet of sharecroppers who, in turn need to reduce the margin available to their crews to pay for the quota they lease.

Anger has also resulted from the fact that the decision to close the public fishery was announced in a fishery notice that reminded anglers they could continue to access halibut by utilizing the so-called “Experimental Licence” (XRQ) program to lease quota. This program was designed by a previous Minister and drives a wedge between the angling public, who have a right of access to a public property resource, and opportunists who, without understanding the implications, are willing to pay to lease an opportunity to access the resource. We provided much comment and criticism during a RIAS of the XRQ proposal and have been waiting several years to see the results properly reported, and the XRQ dismissed as a failure. In the meantime, your Department saw fit to encourage its use despite disproportionate expense, a lack of enforcement and an inability to reliably track catch. The XRQ is not a solution to the inequity in the current formula nor is it a workable market based transfer mechanism between sectors.

The current circumstances present an opportunity for you and your department to make changes to provide the recreational sector with long term reliability and opportunity while still honouring conservation and sustainably based fishery principles. We would welcome the opportunity to work on options including increasing our allocation through a compensated transfer or allowing a reasonable degree of flexibility, recognizing catch variability year to year and performance over time.

We are committed to continued implementation of the Vision for Recreational Fishing in BC as developed and approved by Fisheries and Oceans Canada, the Province of BC, and the Sport Fishing Advisory Board. The Vision strives for a vibrant and sustainable recreational fishery and community in British Columbia, providing broad social and economic benefits through diverse opportunities that recognize and respect other users of the resource.

We respectfully request the opportunity to discuss these matters with you and your department.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
BC WILDLIFE FEDERATION SPORT FISHING INSTITUTE OF BC
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Harvey Andrusak, Robert Alcock,
President, BCWF President, SFI

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Until next time, tight lines,
The SFI Team

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October 10, 2017



An Open Letter to The Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans from the BC Wildlife Federation and the SFI





We write to you on behalf of the Board of Directors and members of the Sport Fishing Institute of BC and the BC Wildlife Federation (BCWF). Our two organizations represent the interests of the primary and secondary portions of the recreational fishing sector on BC’s coast
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Forgive my ignorance here but I must ask. What is the primary portion and the secondary portion of the recreational fishing sector? What defines each?
 
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Forgive my ignorance here but I must ask. What is the primary portion and the secondary portion of the recreational fishing sector? What defines each?

The primary sector represents "average joe anglers" who fish strictly for fun. The secondary sector represents those who make a living in some way off the fishery. Guides, lodge employees, tackle shop owners etc, etc.

Based on things like license sales vs job reports I'd suggest that for every secondary angler there are about 50 primary ones out there. In the most general sense, the SFI represents the interests of the secondary sector and the BCWF the primary sector although the line is really blurred since they both represent both in many ways.

I hope this helps...

CP
 
The primary sector represents "average joe anglers" who fish strictly for fun. The secondary sector represents those who make a living in some way off the fishery. Guides, lodge employees, tackle shop owners etc, etc.

Based on things like license sales vs job reports I'd suggest that for every secondary angler there are about 50 primary ones out there. In the most general sense, the SFI represents the interests of the secondary sector and the BCWF the primary sector although the line is really blurred since they both represent both in many ways.

I hope this helps...

CP

Thanks for that. Pretty much what I had thought. Just was not sure if secondary included those who make a living on the water. iE guides/lodges etc or just the peripherals like tackle shops/manufactures etc etc
 
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