Government Seeks Feedback

“To further restrict handguns for law abiding firearms owners is like trying to prevent drunk driving by making it harder for sober drivers to own cars.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...-on-handguns-truly-reflect-how-canadians-feel

Actually kind of funny in a way.
Socialists certainly stand firmly behind their results from openly acknowledged "vulnerable to manipulation" polls when they swing to their favor, but scream blue murder when they don't.
More of your tax dollars well wasted it would seem...

Nog
 
Canadian MDs are pointing fingers at guns to divert attention from their inability to deal with medical mistakes. More people die from hospital mistakes than from guns, but the anti-gun MDs would rather politicians and the public have somebody else to blame.

Between 24,000 and 43,000 people die each year in Canada, studies estimate from medical mistakes. This is roughly 10 times as many who die from firearms.

https://www.halifaxmedicalmalpracticelawyerblog.com/2014/07/how_often_does_medical_malprac/
 
I am an emergency physician working at both academic and community emergency departments in Ontario. I was recently asked to sign a petition in support of a National Day of Action organized by the Canadian Doctors for Protection from Guns (CDPG) to ban “assault weapons” and handguns. This recently formed organization is not representative of a majority of physicians or health-care workers and I feel the need to respond with an alternative perspective.

Firearms laws in Canada are some of the most stringent and comprehensive in the world. Statistics show that we are a very safe country with low baseline crime and suicide rates that have been steadily dropping, with peaks and ebbs, over the past four decades. The recent statistics that some have used to counter those data are parsed from specific geographical areas and interval timelines with biased manipulation to suit the purposes of interest groups.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-...technique-massacre-i-am-also-a-gun-enthusiast
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 12, 2019
Gun Ban Ruled Out – For Now
OSHAWA, ON – Crime Reduction Minister Bill Blair’s long-awaited engagement report – Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms – has been released and the outcome of that discourse is somewhat encouraging for Canada’s two-million-plus lawful firearm owners who feared a possible gun ban.
“Those 134,917 participants in the government's online questionnaire overwhelmingly believe that a ban on handguns and so-called “assault-style” firearms targets the wrong people. Law-abiding firearm owners are not the problem, violent criminals possessing illicit guns are,” said Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. “Our organization is not surprised by this conclusion and we said as much during the Minister’s in-person roundtable held in Toronto last fall."

CSSA representatives attended the Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal consultations.

At that roundtable, the CSSA also noted that there is no statistical evidence that the banning of civilian firearms would have an impact on the criminal misuse of guns. The only data that was available came from the Toronto Police Service, and it showed that politicians had been grossly misrepresenting the proportion of firearms that originated from our community.
“We agree that a multi-faceted approach (such as more community-based programs, enhanced law enforcement and border services, and harsher punishments and penalties for gun-related crime) is key if we are to reduce the illicit use of firearms. Imposing a gun ban ‘in isolation’ as the Minister noted, is useless,” said Mr. Bernardo.

“Our organization would welcome the opportunity to confer with Ministers Goodale and Blair and the Firearms Advisory Committee to help develop some real solutions to these serious firearm issues,” said Mr. Bernardo. The CSSA was a long-standing member of the federal government’s Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee, the purpose of which, among other things, is to provide the Public Safety Minister with advice on matters relating to Canada’s firearms policies, laws and regulations.

The Engagement Report will now be used to assist the federal government in developing any future changes it may wish to apply to firearm laws… “while not impeding the lawful use of firearms by Canadians,” as stated in the report.

"While it appears there will be no gun ban in our immediate future, the CSSA will continue its efforts to ensure the government of Canada understands and respects our Canadian firearm traditions and the rights of responsible Canadians to have lawful access to their firearms.
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The full text of the report is here.

For further information, please contact:
Tony Bernardo, Executive Director
1-888-873-4339
 
First off, thanks to Nog for posting and a huge thanks to all who bothered, took the time to respond, take the survey, send a letter, meet someone and spread the word. I don't believe the Libs have done with their attack yet but maybe stalled on this small win for the good guys. Don't think Mr JT has a very good world reputation now, he's a do as I say, not a lead by example sort of PM. Lets hope law abiding gun owners, and all who realize they have been fooled speak LOUD and clear come Oct. Now to repeal C-71 in the same way. Good job all, some light in a long time dark tunnel.

HM
 
Bill Blair, Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Minister, refused to tell the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence if a government-initiated report on the effects of a handgun ban would be finished by the time of the election.


“Canadians expect us to take the time to do it right and I’ve been doing my very best to take that time,” Blair said.


He did the same thing FIVE times (taking lessons on how NOT to answer a question I guess) in an interview just today.

https://tnc.news/2019/04/12/trudeau-government-will-consider-handgun-ban-if-re-elected/

More vote seeking already in action...

Nog
 
Bill Blair, Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Minister, refused to tell the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence if a government-initiated report on the effects of a handgun ban would be finished by the time of the election.


“Canadians expect us to take the time to do it right and I’ve been doing my very best to take that time,” Blair said.


He did the same thing FIVE times (taking lessons on how NOT to answer a question I guess) in an interview just today.

https://tnc.news/2019/04/12/trudeau-government-will-consider-handgun-ban-if-re-elected/

More vote seeking already in action...

Nog
So this guy, Andrew Lawton, says he owns a handgun. If that's the case then what the hell is going on with our laws?

Ontario PC candidate Andrew Lawton blames mental illness for controversial tweets

Candidate in London West made remarks about Islam, women, race and LGBT community
CBC News ·
Posted: May 08, 2018

The London West candidate for Ontario's Progressive Conservatives, Andrew Lawton, is asking voters for their "compassion and trust" for controversial remarks he made during a period when he says he was "reckless" in almost all areas of his life.

Lawton, who is looking to unseat the NDP's Peggy Sattler in the June 7 provincial election, took to social media on Monday to tell voters his controversial actions between 2005 and 2013 were a product of his struggles with mental illness.

"Throughout my career, I've been very open about my struggles with mental illness," he tweeted. "While that discussion has centred on my 2010 suicide attempt, in actuality it was a battle that spanned from 2005 to 2013."

He continued: "I was reckless in almost all areas of my life: financially, socially, sexually and vocationally … I was active on social media throughout much of this time, posting things that are so far removed from who I am and what I stand for that I can't even fathom my frame of mind in writing them."

Here's what "reckless" looks like:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/london-ontario-andrew-lawton-pc-1.4653131

More: Quote from Andrew Lawton
" I started seeing a psychiatrist in early 2011, who I still check in with to this day"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/london-ontario-andrew-lawton-1.4652801

And you fellas wonder why normal Canadians are more than a little concerned with the handgun and AR-style gun culture.
 
So this guy, Andrew Lawton, says he owns a handgun. If that's the case then what the hell is going on with our laws?

Actually a rather good question GLG.
Openly acknowledges he "suffers" from "mental health issues", yet you say he owns restricted weapons.
If so, would a appear to be a case of Systems Failure alright.

On that topic, Systems Failure often appears to be the modus operandii of the politicos, police and justice system in this country.
Time after time we learn of criminals, caught with illegal firearms (often used in the commission of a crime) simply punted back out onto the street by our revolving door Catch & Release legal system in Canada. In the vast majority of cases, the appropriate and laws exist to ensure that doesn't happen. But for whatever reason, they are but rarely applied.

Most legal firearms owners are appalled by that, and have made repeated demands that our current firm laws are adhered to.
This government's response was actually the slacking off of some of them as relating to gang & repeat offender violence.
Bizarre in that they do this on one hand, yet continue to persecute legal and lawful owners.

Rather overdue for the whole country to demand these fools actually enforce what is already on the books...

Cheers,
Nog
 
Actually a rather good question GLG.
Openly acknowledges he "suffers" from "mental health issues", yet you say he owns restricted weapons.
If so, would a appear to be a case of Systems Failure alright.

So can we count on you to report this fella to the proper authorities? Clearly he is making the pro handgun / AR-Style gun look bad and I would think it would be in your interest to do so. The other explanation is that he is in fact a lier and that would cover your other argument as that would be common coming from the "new" conservative movement we see at the moment. Shame that the old guard has let us down and seems to need to pander to these fellas with questionable values.

I also see that the leader of the CCFR Rob Giltaca has been making some controversial comments as of late. Maybe it's time to rethink this whole thing and who leads it.
 
Since the RCMP run a complete check every 24 hours of any and all that hold Restricted Licenses, I would suggest they are well aware of this fellow and his antics. And since they are doing nada about it, I suspect there is more at play than it would appear on the surface. That said, feel free to report away, you are obviously rather concerned over this individual.

Giltaca is simply responding to the erroneous information being pumped out by the current government, and those within media they have paid to shill for them . Many of the latter carry their own social agendas in this regard. You may not like everything he has to say, but the same can easily be said for those who would prefer to increase restrictions on legal owners, rather than enforce our current existing laws and go after criminals / gang / gun violence in any real manner.

Cheers,
Nog
 
Since the RCMP run a complete check every 24 hours of any and all that hold Restricted Licenses, I would suggest they are well aware of this fellow and his antics. And since they are doing nada about it, I suspect there is more at play than it would appear on the surface. That said, feel free to report away, you are obviously rather concerned over this individual.

Giltaca is simply responding to the erroneous information being pumped out by the current government, and those within media they have paid to shill for them . Many of the latter carry their own social agendas in this regard. You may not like everything he has to say, but the same can easily be said for those who would prefer to increase restrictions on legal owners, rather than enforce our current existing laws and go after criminals / gang / gun violence in any real manner.

Cheers,
Nog
Yea I thought you would go down that road. Since you introduced him to the members here back at post #47 you would think that being an advocate and one of those "responsible handgun / AR-Style gun owners" types you seem to be more than happy to pass the buck. Yea I get it.... it's up to the rest of us to clean up after the damage is done. Same old same old, bob and weave and rag the puck.

As for Giltaca.... so you think telling people that police are going to accidentally shoot their kids in the neck when they come to take away their handguns is something that a leader does? Maybe it's me but leadership means something different to me.
 
I "introduced" him? Reaching. :rolleyes:
You are the one concerned about his behavior, why "bob and weave and rag the puck"?
Get on with it man!

Be right interested if you could provide a link to your latter comment.
Can't seem to find it anywhere but in your post??

Starting to wonder about you here...
Nog
 
I "introduced" him? Reaching. :rolleyes:
You are the one concerned about his behavior, why "bob and weave and rag the puck"?
Get on with it man!

Be right interested if you could provide a link to your latter comment.
Can't seem to find it anywhere but in your post??

Starting to wonder about you here...
Nog

It was at test Nog since your the advocate for handguns and AR-Style guns here on this website. I was testing your conviction to what you call "responsible gun ownership." I was not surprised but somewhat disappointed by your reaction.

Here is a link to the video the exact time of the remarks is at the 8:27 but you can listen to the context early if want.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/video-gun-control-battle-with-doctors-intensifies/

Same group that has a policy of wanting open carry of handguns in Canada.
 
Canada’s system of gun control cost taxpayers over $2 billion, even though no convincing evidence has been found demonstrating that clamping down on law-abiding citizens has reduced criminal violence

The focus on “assault style” firearms might even be a red herring to distract attention from the failure of Canada’s police agencies to cope with challenges such as escalating gang violence, money laundering in casinos and property markets, and threats from Chinese cyber attacks. Our national police force, the RCMP, is stretched thin trying to cover all these problems. Expanding the firearms bureaucracy is not the best strategy for enhancing public safety.

We need to recognize that worries about scary-looking firearms are misplaced. Canada is facing real problems that are fundamentally more important.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/may-2019/assault-style-firearms-arent-problem/
 
I hope Clement is wrong, and I wonder how credible the source is, but I also know this government is desperate to change the channel on their growing list of failures, scandals and scams. Their numbers in the polls are dropping to record lows, they are experiencing massive pressure from a well-funded anti gun lobby group using a small group of health care professionals to carry their message, and we are less than 6 months from an election … one that is shaping up to make Trudeau a one-term PM.

We are an easy target for a desperate, failed government.


https://firearmrights.ca/en/political-diversion-tactics-or-truth/
 
I hope Clement is wrong, and I wonder how credible the source is, but I also know this government is desperate to change the channel on their growing list of failures, scandals and scams. Their numbers in the polls are dropping to record lows, they are experiencing massive pressure from a well-funded anti gun lobby group using a small group of health care professionals to carry their message, and we are less than 6 months from an election … one that is shaping up to make Trudeau a one-term PM.

We are an easy target for a desperate, failed government.


https://firearmrights.ca/en/political-diversion-tactics-or-truth/
Agree, anything at any cost to hold on to power.
Time for JT to go back to high school drama class, where he is barely qualified.
 
'Experts' ignore facts when it comes to gun control in Canada

According to Statistics Canada, back in 1991 about 1,100 Canadians killed themselves by hanging. Another 1,000 shot themselves dead.

By 2018, about 2,000 hanged themselves, while fewer than 600 committed suicide by firearm.

But despite the fact that hanging deaths have doubled and firearms suicides have fallen by almost half, you never hear anyone call for twine control or a long-rope registry. The “experts” and politicians who push for greater gun control (and who claim their only motive is public safety), seem to have very little interest in facts.

Most years, in the whole country, there are between 150 and 200 murders committed with guns and knives. Some years, guns slightly exceed knives as the murder weapon of choice. Most years stabbing murders are more numerous.

Yet you never hear a Liberal politician demand every home chef be forced to hand over his or her paring knives and potato peelers.

Still, federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, Bill Blair, the minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau continue to hint at a ban on handguns and further restrictions on rifles and shotguns before this fall’s general election.

(I actually think the SNC-Lavalin scandal has made some new form of legislated gun control more likely. The allegations that the Trudeau government may have attempted to subvert Canada’s criminal justice system have begun to eat into core Liberal support. What better way to re-energize the Liberal base than to whip up the “progressive” passion for disarming law-abiding citizens.)

But to justify singling out law-abiding gun owners as the prime target of its anti-crime strategy, a government has to be able to blame legit owners somehow.

“Aha!,” the Liberal lights pop on. “We’ll claim law-abiding gun owners are now the No. 1 source for crime guns in Canada!”

And that is just what the governing party has been doing since the tragic shootings in Toronto’s trendy Danforth neighbourhood last summer – insisting that legit owners are really gun traffickers in disguise.

It’s true that in one year, three years ago, Toronto Police seized more than 500 firearms. The geographic origins of nearly two-thirds could not be determined. However, Toronto Police claimed that of the 200 or so they could pinpoint, the sources where divided roughly equally between the States and Canada.

But that was one year. In one city.

Ottawa police estimate nearly 80% of crime guns in the capital are foreign-sourced. And Hamilton police say smuggled firearms constitute three-quarters of their city’s crime guns.

Still, Liberal ministers persist in the myth that there are 1,200 break-ins every year in Canada to steal firearms, even though StatsCan’s database shows just five “robberies to steal firearms” in 2013, 16 in 2014, 12 in 2015 and 18 each in of 2016 and 2017.

Despite repeated claims by leading Liberals and anti-gun activists, the vast majority of crime guns in Canada are almost certainly not bought legally by a licensed owner here, then lost or sold on the black market.

Moreover, firearms researcher Dennis Young, himself an ex-Mountie, has filed numerous access-to-info requests with the federal government. Young has managed to pry out the fact that neither the RCMP nor StatsCan have ever compiled statistics on the sources of crime guns.

The RCMP admitted to Young they don’t even have a definition of what constitutes a “crime gun.”

Just as the Liberals pushed former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to rig the SNC case for partisan Liberal ends, they seem to be making stuff up about legit gun owners for partisan purposes, too.

It’s as simple and cynical as that.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...-facts-when-it-comes-to-gun-control-in-canada
 
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