scott craven
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quote:Originally posted by The Fish Assassin
backpeddle?
quote:No one can argue the fact that since "certain" immigrants arrived here
Take only what you need.
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quote:Originally posted by The Fish Assassin
backpeddle?
quote:No one can argue the fact that since "certain" immigrants arrived here
Take only what you need.
quote:Originally posted by KoneZone
I happen to believe strongly in the need for more fish hatcheries.
Keep in mind that The Tyee is a very left-wing newspaper/website, and it's editorials/news is heavily slanted to the left and various eco-loony opinions.
Sushihunter you have a gift with words. A left wing newspaper/website? No, say it ain't so. I also happen to agree that the only way from here is more hatcheries.
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Agree!quote:Originally posted by Sushihunter
quote:Originally posted by KoneZone
I happen to believe strongly in the need for more fish hatcheries.
Keep in mind that The Tyee is a very left-wing newspaper/website, and it's editorials/news is heavily slanted to the left and various eco-loony opinions.
Sushihunter you have a gift with words. A left wing newspaper/website? No, say it ain't so. I also happen to agree that the only way from here is more hatcheries.
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Clinging to my Guns and Religion. www.KoneZone.com
KoneZone: I happen to agree with you - We need more hatcheries, and we need the existing hatcheries brought up to full capacity as soon as possible.
Not sure if you were agreeing with me, or just poking a bit of fun at me for my description of The Tyee newspaper/website.
Having just gone through the site and checking out a number of articles - I stand by my original statement - they lean to the left.
The reason I mentioned it in my first posting of the hatchery article, was because they do not seem to support hatcheries. They want to use "Wild fish". Anyone ever tell them that hatchery fish are taken from the wild stock? There is no difference in the genetics. The only thing that happens is that the fish are supported so that more of them survive to reach the ocean when they are released. Otherwise they would die from bird and other predator predation, and whatever else can befall a young fry as it heads for salt water.
Every time I have had the ear of one of our MP's I have told them that we need more hatcheries.
Let's hope that someone will do something... soon.
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there ain't no simple solution here. its a complex problem all of us are a part of and no hatchery system on the planet is going to solve the problem of stock extinction.
quote:Originally posted by reelfast
do hatcheries work???? depends on what you mean!
sure they produce millions of smolt raised in concrete raceways, feed with automatic pellet machines, (BTW it takes 3-4 pounds of fish meal to produce 1 pound of hatchery fish) and have returns that are statistically insignificant.
experimentation with 'natural spawning channels' into which the smolt are placed to fend for themselves prior to release tend to produce better returns. but the definitive data are a long way out on this technique.
plugging any eco system with 'foreign' fishes reduces the carrying capacity of that eco system. thats a fancy way of saying hatchery raised fishes displace wild fishes, that is not a good thing.
couple that with nature, over the eons, returning fishes to various waterways at staggered times during the year to protect those stock from floods, droughts, volcanic eruptions and whatever else might occur, which produced a robust continuing stock of fish.
now contrast that with the convience of a hatchery program which fertilizes and raises the smolt for the convience of dumping in a short window of time. after all the fishing industry, commercial and sport, all expect 'their' fish during specific times during the year!
now lets mix in non selective harvest and an inability to accurately predict run sizes, and there you have it, no fish! and thats about where we are right now. at the end of the day, the hatcheries can ramp up to mega production which will lead to a greater demand for harvest, using non selective methods, which will in turn continue to produce depressed runs of fish everywhere you look.
there ain't no simple solution here. its a complex problem all of us are a part of and no hatchery system on the planet is going to solve the problem of stock extinction.
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I happen to agree with you - We need more hatcheries, and we need the existing hatcheries brought up to full capacity as soon as possible.
The reason I mentioned it in my first posting of the hatchery article, was because they do not seem to support hatcheries. They want to use "Wild fish". Anyone ever tell them that hatchery fish are taken from the wild stock? There is no difference in the genetics. The only thing that happens is that the fish are supported so that more of them survive to reach the ocean when they are released. Otherwise they would die from bird and other predator predation, and whatever else can befall a young fry as it heads for salt water.
quote:it takes 3-4 pounds of fish meal to produce 1 pound of hatchery fish
quote:and have returns that are statistically insignificant.
quotelugging any eco system with 'foreign' fishes reduces the carrying capacity of that eco system. thats a fancy way of saying hatchery raised fishes displace wild fishes, that is not a good thing.
quote:couple that with nature, over the eons, returning fishes to various waterways at staggered times during the year to protect those stock from floods, droughts, volcanic eruptions and whatever else might occur, which produced a robust continuing stock of fish.
quote:now contrast that with the convience of a hatchery program which fertilizes and raises the smolt for the convience of dumping in a short window of time. after all the fishing industry, commercial and sport, all expect 'their' fish during specific times during the year!
quote:now lets mix in non selective harvest and an inability to accurately predict run sizes, and there you have it, no fish! and thats about where we are right now. at the end of the day, the hatcheries can ramp up to mega production which will lead to a greater demand for harvest, using non selective methods, which will in turn continue to produce depressed runs of fish everywhere you look.
quote:there ain't no simple solution here. its a complex problem all of us are a part of and no hatchery system on the planet is going to solve the problem of stock extinction.
quote:Originally posted by KoneZone
For the sake of clarity I will state for the record. I am for more hatcheries and wish they would fill them up with fish now! Sushihunter I would be proud to share the rail with you anytime be it boat or bar.</u> God Bless North America and one if it's prize possession's. The Salmon!
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quote:Originally posted by reelfast
so since there is no concensus, why not just kick back and watch everything collapse, its happenning right now and i don't see anyone or any group positioned to turn that tide. do you????