DFO 2020 Chinook Management Approach Letter

At a local SFAC meeting the DFO rep said MSF is many years away essentially and won't occur for quite some time due to marking rates in BC being so low at the moment. Expect same regs this summer as last, and going forward. DFO does not care about the public fishery and those that make a living in the sector, that is quite obvious.
 
Wow saddening and maddening at the same time to hear this from DFO! Very frustrating state we are in! The main reason MSF is many years away is because DFO has for many years reduced funding for SEP and hatcheries, and are not that willing to support community hatcheries or allowing increased marking of chinook smolts.

We need to keep pressing DFO and their political masters that MSF has to happen and soon! The public fishery and the businesses and communities along the coast that depend on them cannot afford to wait many years for this to happen!

When you cmpare the billions WA state has invested over the years to produce tens of millions of fish (all marked) it is incompetent and disgraceful how DFO continues to do so very little :mad:
 
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there is progress being made on MSF I hear they trying out one of Thoes automatic clipping trailers this year.

Pretty sure that technology is quite proven.

The US hatcheries surely don’t use scissors with their 100% clip rate.

It is ridiculous with all the concern with stocks of concern and we have to rely on voodoo math to guesstimate on harvest rates.

Clip rates are 10% in Canada except for indicator stocks which are 20% if I’m not mistaken.

The true % of hatchery fish we are catching in southern bc is probably closer to 60%. My voodoo math, but I bet I’m not far off.
 
DFO could have bought this tech several years ago and are just finally getting around to it now. We need to demand faster action from them. Time for focussed, well articulated protests, with carefully crafted communications so we don't come across as red neck, greedy sport fisherman me thinks.
 
Relying on DFO will be painful.

I would like to see a public / private partnership where rec anglers (via SFI?) fund a portion of cost of MSF to ensure it is effectively rolled out and administered on a timely basis.

There is lots of good that could come of this, including research, etc.
 
DFO is run by TAX DOLLARS, yours and mine and everyone’s .
Why would you want to add tax dollars to this, rather than force DFO to begin clipping all and upping the production?
DFO if evaluated has way to many useless staff in Ottawa that is let go would more than pay for more salmon on the West Coast.
Look it up, what a waste of money.



Relying on DFO will be painful.

I would like to see a public / private partnership where rec anglers (via SFI?) fund a portion of cost of MSF to ensure it is effectively rolled out and administered on a timely basis.

There is lots of good that could come of this, including research, etc.
 
DFO in many peoples opinion is fast becoming a lost cause, an unavoidable, ineffective and incompetent, biased regulator. We can wait for DFO to get around to doing its job properly (haven't done it for decades both here and on the east coast) - waste of time IMHO, especially with the Liberals in power. Could be different with different party in power - but not with Trudeau, unfortunately. The longer DFO wastes time the more and sooner organized, concerned citizens need to stand in the gap to protect and enhance our public fishery.
 
From pacific angler

https://www.pacificangler.ca/pacific-angler-friday-fishing-report-march-6-2020/

Speaking of things to complain about. As mentioned in last week’s report, it looks like DFO is going to roll over management actions from last April. So that means there will be an announcement on April 1st that there will be no chinook retention. They aren’t done analyzing how last year’s drastic management measures have affected the 2019 chinook returns of the endangered interior Fraser stocks. So, looks like we are in for another round of meetings, consultation, working groups, online surveys, etc, over the next few months. Then there will be more meetings and announcements later in May or maybe even as late as early June. Who knows what is going to happen; I won’t even speculate.

Keep in mind DFO could have easily allowed a 1 hatchery a day fishery in our local waters as of April 1st. In areas like South Bowen and Howe Sound where people fish in April, May, and June, you have about a 1% chance of hooking an endangered interior Fraser River chinook and that fish will have an adipose fin. So, if it was a hatchery only opening, you would release that fish. Seems like an acceptable situation to me, especially considering we hook quite a few hatchery fish every day that time of year. ENGOs like the Suzuki Foundation, Watershed Watch, and Raincoast don’t agree and are lobbying for more drastic measures, even a complete closure of fishing for chinook period. Many First Nations are also lobbying for the same thing. You may have seen recent media posts from some of the ENGOs and First Nations suggesting complete closures, but in case you haven’t, now you know, and they are making their positions as clear as day. They want you off the water. I have to say, if shutting down all chinook fishing would save these endangered interior chinook, I am all for it. The reality is the impact our sector has is so small it wouldn’t do a thing. I won’t bore you with the numbers, but I have poured over them for hours and we just don’t have the impact these groups are saying we have.

The government needs to make some hard and likely unpopular decisions if they want to save these chinook. Closure of public fisheries is easy, high profile, and looks good if you are trying to please ENGOs and First Nations, but it has little to no effect when the people you are shutting down aren’t catching the fish you are trying to save. A+ for optics, D- for results.

The solutions are there and available to them. They need to remove seals that are consuming over 40% of the out-migrating chinook smolts. They need to spend money on fixing interior Fraser tributary habitat which was severely damaged from fire and subsequent flooding. They need emergency hatchery production, but facilities are already maxed out, so they need to build, and fast. They need to have a zero-tolerance policy on the rampant illegal gill netting in the Fraser when the endangered chinook are in the river in April, May, and June. This last one seems to be the one nobody wants to talk about. There is a pretty big gap between the number of fish that are estimated to pass through the Albion test set fishery in the lower Fraser and what actually makes it up to the spawning beds. Unfortunately, it has been that way for years. So, I am not talking about the Big Bar slide here. When there are hundreds of illegal gill nets deployed in the Fraser each year it is a big problem. The DFO officers are well aware of it and they do what they can with the limited resources and budget they have. The reality is they need more money and more staff to pursue this issue with more vigour. Habitat is going to take a while to fix, hatcheries aren’t built overnight, and you cant control ocean survival. So if you want to have a direct impact on the number of chinook making it up the Fraser in April, May, and June, you need to make removal of illegal gill nets a top priority. You have already removed the saltwater angler who hooks an interior Fraser chinook 1 in 100 fish. Time to focus on the gill nets where every single fish in the net is one that needs to be protected.
 
Thanks for posting and we'll written piece. Maybe if we can't be out fishing we should be out on the river with our boats/ walking banks and filming and documenting to publicly shame all involved including DFO and the politicians
 
When you cmpare the billions WA state has invested over the years to produce tens of millions of fish (all marked) it is incompetent and disgraceful how DFO continues to do so very little :mad:

Living in WA I would say to the above: "true - BUT".

We have a quota for marked fish; it is usually around 2K fish per open period; couple months in the late winter, couple weeks in the summer. There are 13 marine area's in WA & each has it's own season & rules. The logic is that if 2K hatchery fish are retained, then a certain number of wild fish will be killed via some sort of fishing related action; determined by studies/formulas/whatever. As so in BC, this stuff is all determined in secret negotiations between WA fisheries & the treaty tribes. Also as in BC, the tribes mostly fish with gear that kills everything; and most likely the total mortality of wild fish is largely from tribal fishing. Also, every access point on the water (ramps/marina's etc) have fish counters to monitor catch rates.
Down here there are Chinook openings, Coho openings (often overlapping) then periods when fishing for any Salmon is closed; no C&R.


I believe the FN's in BC & the WA treaty tribes are in close communications, so I would expect to see a BC MSF look very close to our MSF.

At the end of the day I'd take the current BC situation over our's any day of the week.
 
Jason is 100% right. However the increase in actual legal openings for netting is where the damage is occurring. Even when we were told by our fisheries minister last spring there would be no openings, there ended up being over 50 during the critical time period of upper Fraser Chinook migration.
The missing fish and correlation to the Albion was in regards to the South Thompson Chinook. The Albion has good numbers in August/September but there is NO way those Chinook made it to the spawning grounds. The numbers on the Thompson were subpar at best, with a majority of fish being small and beat up due netting downriver. Keep in mind that there was no need to poach on the Fraser during this time period as the amount of legal openings was almost 24/7 in certain stretches between the mouth and a Hope.

The only way these fish recover is by dealing with the seals and getting the nets out of the river. Until this happens don’t expect any of these stocks to magically get better.
 
Amazing how we now seem to accept the non retention rule only a year after it's onset.
Very few people complaining, no letter campaigns.
Sad what can happen in such a short time.
 
Amazing how we now seem to accept the non retention rule only a year after it's onset.
Very few people complaining, no letter campaigns.
Sad what can happen in such a short time.



exactly.why we get pushed around. Let’s get going and send letters and tell them this is ********
 
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