the numbers came from a member on the salmon commission. I have asked to be provided with the link. I dont see why it is so impossible to see that is only an average of less than 2 fish per recreational angler.
You guys know… I recently received the following from an individual who actually knows what he is talking about. I am finding his observation true and in fact, I couldn’t state it better, so I do quote and think about it:
“I don't bother to check the forum very often. It has turned into a whining platform for 16 of the 4700 members. It was meant to share fishing news and reports. Now, as soon as someone starts a fishing report thread someone jumps over from the 'bad news' opinion area and pollutes the new thread.” Some of you guys are a piece of cake, and I sure am glad, I am not eating any of that crap some are trying to feed – as I would choke on it!
There are Fraser Chinook harvested by the WCVI and North British Columbia. There are also some harvested in SE Alaska, some by Washington and Oregon fleets.
FYI… For ones who don’t know, those Chinook come out of the Fraser, migrate on both sides of Vancouver Island (some actually go down the Washington Coast before turning back north), up the coast as far north as Kodiak Island. Some don't migrate any farther than SE Alaska. The Chinook “by-catch” in the Bering Sea everyone is screaming about are Alaska Chinook. NONE of yours (or mine) as our salmon normally will not enter the Bering Sea that is, unless they flat-out get lost.
Just for the record and not saying anyone is good or bad, do or don’t break the rules, or whatever trash some one to bring up; the Canadian commercial “Chinook” fleet is VERY WELL monitored. And, I do mean BY EVERYONE all the way from Alaska down to California. While the Canadian fleet is allowed to harvest OUR endangered species, if they start picking-up to many Canadian 'Chinook of concern' (and if you just noticed), they are - SHUT DOWN! You cannot blame any commercial Chinook (be it troll or net) for any “Chinook” closing – notice I am saying “Chinook closures.” IMHO DFO is actually allowing some of your "spring" returns (e.g. the Robertson-Stamp) to be killed off by their mismanaged timings! The upcoming “Chinook” closers are DFO created, Canada knows YOU HAVE PROBLEMS and Canada is NOT taking steps to fix the problems. Simply put, Canada knows “YOUR WILD SALMON ARE DYING” and have chosen to continue managing your salmon to EXTINCTION! "Canada" sees value in "fish farms" and NO value in the Pacific salmon! They have made that VERY CLEAR!
Just cut the crap between who is commercial and who is sport and realize if both sectors don’t get their heads out of their @ss and join forces neither will have anything left to argue about! That is, except whom to blame for the entire fishery dying! Want to blame ANYONE, I suggest start with the root of the problem the government of Canada. First, if your government continues to allow the salmon spawning grounds and their environment to be degraded, polluted, and destroyed, it is easy the salmon will just - continue dying. Secondly, if the government of Canada continues to allow those “fish farms” to spread and pass diseases back and forth (that is for both outgoing and returning) the salmon will – continue to dying! Sorry, but if the sport and commercial sectors continue to let your government divide you (and the First Nations) and proceed on its current path, no one is going to have anything to argue about as the entire fishery - WILL BE DEAD, PERIOD!
As some know, I actually follow “Chinook” - closely. It seems there are some numbers thrown around that I find very interesting. I honestly don’t know where most of these number are coming from, and hope my guess is true that they are BS numbers. To those, you need to stop spreading false numbers, especially concerning “Chinook”. To some others, IMHO might want to do a little more research on Chinook. Along with those DFO links already posted, which are "mostly" accurate (you might/will find very small differences in numbers when comparing reports), the following will answer most questions:
‘PACIFIC SALMON COMMISSION JOINT CHINOOK TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT 2011 ANNUAL REPORT OF CATCHES AND ESCAPEMENTS’
[url]http://www.psc.org/pubs/TCCHINOOK12-1.pdf[/URL]
If you read the above, you will find most of the “accurate as can be” numbers some are looking for. Which actually mean nothing, other than just being a “post stirrer” Most of Chinook sport and commercial sector allowed to be harvested (not all, I’ll get to that) is controlled by Pacific Salmon Treaty (PST). The numbers vary from year to year and can fluctuate greatly, depending on abundance. It would be very possible to see a 50,000 piece swing from one year to the next. So, let us just simmer and/or settle this “pot” BS - once and for all! I DARE "ANYONE" TO TELL ME THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT!
Table 1.3 Summary of landed catch by gear for Canadian Aggregate Abundance Based Management (AABM) fisheries in 2010. AABM Fishery
| Troll
| Sport
| Total
|
Northern British Columbia
| 90,213
| 46,400
| 136,613
|
West Coast Vancouver Island
| 84,123
| 54,924
| 139,047
|
| 174,336
| 101,324
|
|
Well that kind of clears up how many Chinook were landed in the AABM Fishery for 2010, doesn’t it? FYI… the 2011 numbers are NOT published and if you want to see what the limit were, they are in the above report. I am sure if one wanted them they could contact and get them, which I might just be doing. (I’ll get to that later, also).
The above numbers are the AABM Fisher, meaning they are controlled by the PST! To those you have to add the ‘Canadian Individual Stock Based Management Fisheries (ISMB). Those are the Chinook taken on the “inside" Canada waters, deemed to be Canadian Chinook. That is an addition 164,145 Chinook not counted in the AABM. Who caught them? I personally am not going to take the time to dig those ISMB numbers out; however, those Chinook were caught in the inside waters only (e.g. mouth of the rivers). I believe you will find “if I am correct” that would be an additional 67,563 for commercials and 96,582 for sports. So, “if I am correct” (feel free to dig them out yourself and correct, if you wish) your commercial total Chinook harvest was 241,899 versus sports of 197,906. That is only about 300,000 Chinook, or so, short of that 500,000 CHINOOK numbers being thrown out there.
Now for "I will get to that later"! Those interesting numbers being thrown around I really have some questions of my own and will add some comments! I very much would like more information on those alleged 500,000 pieces of “Chinook” taken by the Canadian sport sector that are being insisted are “fact”. Dude, this be a public forum and I be a "YANK"! I would also like to know what areas those Chinook were taken, as I do assure there are many individuals (including myself) familiar with Chinook migration routes. If the Canada sport sector indeed, suddenly harvest 500,000 pieces of Chinook that is well over the PST limits and this "YANK" wants to know – those would most likely be MY U.S. Chinook you are talking about and that my friend is a 300,000 over-harvest surely will create some very “high international attention” especially with within the States of Washington, Oregon, and Idaho. And… just for clarification, I be one of those "YANK" from Washington and I not be pleased with anyone stating Canada breaching of the Pacific Salmon Treaty – is “fact”! If it isn't clear enough yet! If your facts are correct. I will be personally doing everything I possibly can to initiate an investigation. I will be personally asking my government for monetary compensation from the government of Canada. I will personally be asking the funds currently held in trust (for the government of Canada) to immediately be frozen. So, you just BRING ON THOSE FACTS “BIG BOY” as this “YANK” really wants to know the "FACTS"!