GLG
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People should check out at least a little bit of background on someone that makes claims like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough
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tightlines
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Yes let's blindly and ignorantly listen to the great and powerful government. They have never lead us down the wrong path before. Nowhere in any of the policy and mandate making have they revealed the real secret data from which they are making these decisions. Cost benefit analysis? No! Not needed! If we can extend one life! It's worth all the money. We can extend 100 people's lives? -sure, let's throw a billion dollars at it! The truth is this has become the great pandemic that never really materialized. There are virtually no excess deaths in Canada compared to other bad flu years. Show me the death data compared to other years. Borders closed, business closed, lock downs, school closures and the list goes on and on. None of these measures were ever discussed in respiratory pandemic planning by the very experts everyone is applauding. Dr Tam wrote a book on the subject not long ago. Read it, doubt she mentioned many of the policies enacted because science says they don't work. Bonnie Henry has flip flopped so many times it's laughable. You can try and defend this by saying Covid is novel! They have never seen it before! It's a respiratory virus from the Corona family for the love of sweet baby Jesus. It's been seen a large number of times and will be seen again. It isn't particularly unique or special. People die, that's what happens. 80 year olds especially. The world has gone soft as baby ****. Signed a 39 year old entitled millenial.
GLG
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Texas Senate is not known for it's wisdom.
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SpringVelocity
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Yep your entitled glad we agree. Thanks for proving my point.
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wildmanyeah
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I think it’s interesting when it comes to covid there is this mob rule mentally, you don’t want to get vaccinated and don’t believe in government health care you entitled person you.
yet most other times we tend to govern
Based on what the noisy special Intrest groups want, with tend to be individuall freedoms.
yet most other times we tend to govern
Based on what the noisy special Intrest groups want, with tend to be individuall freedoms.
sly_karma
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Sigh. I know you're frustrated and tired of the pandemic like the rest of us, but you're wilfully ignoring reality. The ten year average for influenza in Canada is 3500 deaths and 12,200 hospitalizations annually. The current pandemic straddles one flu season and has caused 27,000 deaths and over 60,000 hospital admissions.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
Deewar25
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Estimate Canada deaths 2020 309912, deaths 2019 284082.
That said, Canada had clearly done a better job with covid than America in 2020 so one should be thankful for the advice of our professionals (insert Florida here that have now seen more covid deaths recorded in the last 1 month than all of Canada in the last 6!) - America saw 500000 more deaths last year when a typical increase was 20-50k.
I’d ask you how you’d feel if it was one of your parents in ICU struggling to breathe through a tube but it’s pretty obvious from your post that old people are expendable.
I hear big tough guys like you break down and cry like little babies when they come down with Covid and have to be put on a ventilator. What a piece of work!
GLG
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This should be a lesson to us here in BC not to let this virus get the upper hand or we will be in deep trouble.
Let's effing track this thing down and kill it.
Test, Trace, Vaccinate and Educate.
Sep 04, 2021
Alberta is working with out-of-province staffing agencies to bring in contract nurses, as hospitals contend with staff shortages and full beds due to the surging fourth wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The United Nurses of Alberta (UNA), the union representing more than 30,000 nurses in the province, says it was notified on Friday by Alberta Health Services (AHS) that the province plans to immediately bring in contractors to address staffing shortages.
AHS is working with Toronto-based Greenstaff Medical Canada, Vancouver's Brylu Staffing and Northern Nursing Solutions of Airdrie, Alta., the nurses' union said in a news release.
As of Friday, 515 COVID-19 patients were in Alberta hospitals, including 118 in intensive care beds. More than 20 municipalities across the province had reductions in acute care beds, many due to staffing shortages.
The province's ICUs were at 95 per cent capacity, and as many as 60 per cent of scheduled surgeries were being postponed in some areas.
AHS said the move to hire contract nurses from staffing agencies is a "last resort."
"We are doing all we can to open additional capacity. However, our biggest challenge right now is finding available health-care workers to staff those surge beds," AHS confirmed in an emailed statement. "This critical staffing challenge is limiting our ability to open additional beds, which in turn is placing strain on our ability to care for patients."
Provincial modelling has suggested that up to 700 people could be in hospital with COVID-19 by the end of this month.
"This is a last resort, as our local supply of nurses is close to being exhausted," AHS said.
David Harrigan, UNA's director of labour relations, said nurses are exhausted.
"It's not unusual to have [hospitals] over capacity and understaffed. You know, in some ways I can see why AHS has to bring in contractors because it is a real crisis," he told CBC News. "But the answer is to sit down and say ... how can we retain employees instead of abusing current employees?"
AHS is also withdrawing a labour relations board complaint it had made against the UNA, the union said. The complaint alleged that the union was bargaining in bad faith by publicly stating that AHS was discussing hiring registered nurses with third-party recruiters at higher rates than those paid under the collective agreement.
"They publicly accused UNA of being dishonest, because we said that they were in discussions with contract nurses. And then on Friday ... they wrote to us that, in fact, they are in discussions," Harrigan said.
A job posting from Greenstaff Medical Canada on Indeed.com, posted one month ago, said it was urgently hiring for casual RN positions in Edmonton, with wages starting at $75 per hour. The top rate an RN can make in Alberta right now is $48 per hour.
"Nurses have been working 16 hours a day, overworked, for 16 months. Their employer is saying to them, 'Thanks a lot. By the way, we're going to cut your wages.' And now they turn around and bring in people that they will pay $55 to $75 an hour," Harrigan said. "There's just no better way to show the public and the nurses that they have zero respect for health care."
The UNA said that AHS has now committed to disclosing when it reaches a contract with any staffing agencies but that it has not said what rate it expects to pay the contract nurses.
The union is currently calling for a two per cent wage increase, saying nurses haven't received a raise in five years; AHS has proposed a three per cent salary rollback.
Let's effing track this thing down and kill it.
Test, Trace, Vaccinate and Educate.
Alberta to bring in out-of-province contract nurses as COVID-19 patients fill hospitals
Province's intensive care units were 95 per cent full on Friday as 4th wave surges
Sep 04, 2021
Alberta is working with out-of-province staffing agencies to bring in contract nurses, as hospitals contend with staff shortages and full beds due to the surging fourth wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.
The United Nurses of Alberta (UNA), the union representing more than 30,000 nurses in the province, says it was notified on Friday by Alberta Health Services (AHS) that the province plans to immediately bring in contractors to address staffing shortages.
AHS is working with Toronto-based Greenstaff Medical Canada, Vancouver's Brylu Staffing and Northern Nursing Solutions of Airdrie, Alta., the nurses' union said in a news release.
As of Friday, 515 COVID-19 patients were in Alberta hospitals, including 118 in intensive care beds. More than 20 municipalities across the province had reductions in acute care beds, many due to staffing shortages.
The province's ICUs were at 95 per cent capacity, and as many as 60 per cent of scheduled surgeries were being postponed in some areas.
AHS said the move to hire contract nurses from staffing agencies is a "last resort."
"We are doing all we can to open additional capacity. However, our biggest challenge right now is finding available health-care workers to staff those surge beds," AHS confirmed in an emailed statement. "This critical staffing challenge is limiting our ability to open additional beds, which in turn is placing strain on our ability to care for patients."
Provincial modelling has suggested that up to 700 people could be in hospital with COVID-19 by the end of this month.
"This is a last resort, as our local supply of nurses is close to being exhausted," AHS said.
Nurses are exhausted, union says
Two weeks ago, AHS invoked emergency work rules for nurses, which could force them to work mandatory overtime or cancel time off to address staffing gaps.David Harrigan, UNA's director of labour relations, said nurses are exhausted.
"It's not unusual to have [hospitals] over capacity and understaffed. You know, in some ways I can see why AHS has to bring in contractors because it is a real crisis," he told CBC News. "But the answer is to sit down and say ... how can we retain employees instead of abusing current employees?"
AHS is also withdrawing a labour relations board complaint it had made against the UNA, the union said. The complaint alleged that the union was bargaining in bad faith by publicly stating that AHS was discussing hiring registered nurses with third-party recruiters at higher rates than those paid under the collective agreement.
"They publicly accused UNA of being dishonest, because we said that they were in discussions with contract nurses. And then on Friday ... they wrote to us that, in fact, they are in discussions," Harrigan said.
A job posting from Greenstaff Medical Canada on Indeed.com, posted one month ago, said it was urgently hiring for casual RN positions in Edmonton, with wages starting at $75 per hour. The top rate an RN can make in Alberta right now is $48 per hour.
"Nurses have been working 16 hours a day, overworked, for 16 months. Their employer is saying to them, 'Thanks a lot. By the way, we're going to cut your wages.' And now they turn around and bring in people that they will pay $55 to $75 an hour," Harrigan said. "There's just no better way to show the public and the nurses that they have zero respect for health care."
The UNA said that AHS has now committed to disclosing when it reaches a contract with any staffing agencies but that it has not said what rate it expects to pay the contract nurses.
The union is currently calling for a two per cent wage increase, saying nurses haven't received a raise in five years; AHS has proposed a three per cent salary rollback.
wishiniwasfishin1
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GLG - honest question… do you really think this virus can be eradicated?
What happens when we do our best then open up to the rest of the world and a new variant is brought in? It doesn’t seem like this virus is going away… quite the opposite
Maybe we end up all following Israel’s lead and get in line for the fourth dose? Let’s see how that works but eradicating doesn’t seem like a likely outcome….
What happens when we do our best then open up to the rest of the world and a new variant is brought in? It doesn’t seem like this virus is going away… quite the opposite
Maybe we end up all following Israel’s lead and get in line for the fourth dose? Let’s see how that works but eradicating doesn’t seem like a likely outcome….
GLG
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Yes I do think that we will eradicate it at some point in time if we chose to do so. What I'm not sure of is that once we get this beat in the developed world will we still have enough fight in us to tackle the rest of the world. I hope so and I'm encouraged by newer vaccines that travel easily and are easy to administer.
My thinking at this point in time is that it is unlikely that any variant will escape the current or future versions of the vaccines. I follow, on twitter, a senior researcher from Moderna that has explained that the spike proteins on the virus can't change too much or else it will not attach to the ace-2 receptor. The vaccines can be tweaked to work better but at this point it's not a deal breaker.
Can we keep up the fight here in Canada when we are so close to the finish line? That is out of my hands but there are some that acting against their best interests by being influenced by the tricks of the ant-vaxxers. I'll post more on this if wanted.
Here is a video from a trusted source that gives us a timeline on when we can expect vaccines for the younger crowd. It's good news for Canada.
ryanb
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Why put a vaccine into a young person who is at near zero risk from covid if the vaccines neither prevent infection nor transmission? Yes they significantly lower the risk serious disease in adults, but what is the point for kids? Seems like a pointless exercise when those doses could do much more good in developing countries.
Now if the vaccines were a path toward herd immunity, because they prevent infection and transmission, that would be different.
GLG
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Long Covid in kids is real so you need to look at that risk and just because you say that "vaccines neither prevent infection nor transmission" doesn't make that true. Yes we need to do more for developing countries and thankfully we can do both at the same time.
In the end I'll go with what NACI recommends.
ryanb
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You know what else is real, adverse events from the vaccine in kids, including a very significant risk of myocarditis.
Also, I'm not the one saying the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and transmission, the CDC, who, and numerous medical journals are saying it. I'm the farthest thing from anti vacc or conspiracy theorist, but giving the CURRENT vaccine to young kids definitely doesn't pass the smell test (from someone with 3 kids under 12).
I struggle with this as well. My oldest is 12 next year, going on 19. I think I’m just going to let her decide what she wants to do.
I also don’t think this is going away in the next 2-3 years, if ever. Hope I’m wrong
GLG
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"vaccine doesn't prevent infection and transmission" Do you have a source for that because maybe this is out of context.
What is your source (link) where risk of unvaccinated against risk of myocarditis is more, less or the same.
I saw something the other day and I'll have a look if I can find it but from memory the risk from covid-19 was way worse.
Getting your kids vaxxed may not be right for you but these decisions needed to be based on the facts by trusted sources.
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Found one link that has some info on the risk.
Summary
What is already known about this topic?An elevated risk for myocarditis among mRNA COVID-19 vaccinees has been observed, particularly in males aged 12–29 years.
What is added by this report?
On June 23, 2021, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices concluded that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination to individual persons and at the population level clearly outweighed the risks of myocarditis after vaccination.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in all recommended age groups will prevent morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 that far exceed the number of cases of myocarditis expected. Information regarding the risk for myocarditis with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should be disseminated to providers to share with vaccine recipients.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm
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