They must remove the Fish Farms from the ocean onto land as part of the "shared pain" or they can't expect to get buy in from the Recreational angler.
Stopping chinook fishing
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wildmanyeah
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I Fish in the Ocean so it would be the last thing I want but it would be far easier to manage the fisheries. If Country's want to get greedy then their rivers pay the price.
When Fraser River Chinook and Columbia River Chinook leave, Return and Feed in the ocean they are caught at numbers that are pretty well know. We have a good estimate what is caught it our own waters. We also have a pretty good guess what is caught in US waters and even what type of stocks and their origins. Do we know their percentages? sorta. Do we know if some stocks are targeted more ( a little bit).
But what we can't control is where in the ocean our stocks get caught and how much. How much salmon is being caught in the bearing sea? we know that Fraser river,Columbia and Russian stocks feed their. No one is DNA testing a fish while its in a net waiting to get boated. are all stocks being evening targeted while in the ocean no. There are limited openings where we hope not to catch stock of concern. Whats going on in other ocean feeding locations? we know that some Columbia River Chinook spend there whole life in inside Canadian waters.
Trumps administration will be negotiating the PST next time. Think its going to be equal pain?
If salmon are only targeted in river then we can actually manage individual stocks.
http://www.npafc.org/new/publications/Documents/PDF 2016/1627(Canada).pdf
"Stock composition of Bering Sea samples
Alaskan-origin Sockeye Salmon were the most abundant in the annual catch of immature individuals in the central Bering Sea. Bristol Bay origin immature Sockeye Salmon comprised 73.6% of all Sockeye Salmon caught during the 2015 cruise, with Alaskan-origin salmon comprising 90.7% of the catch (Table 1). Canadian-origin Sockeye Salmon accounted for 8.1% of the catch during 2015. Russian-origin salmon accounted for 1.0% of the catch during 2015. Sockeye Salmon from Bristol Bay dominated the catch of Alaskan-origin salmon, with those from the Egegik River drainage the largest contributor to the catch, with an annual contribution of 21.8% of individuals estimated to be of Egegik River origin (Table 1). Sockeye Salmon from the Kvichak River drainage were estimated to be the next most important contributor to the catch, comprising 18.5% of the salmon sampled. Sockeye Salmon from the Nushagak River drainage were estimated to comprise 10.1% of the sample. Sockeye Salmon from the Wood River drainage were estimated to comprise 9.4% of immature Sockeye Salmon sampled during the cruise, and those from Kodiak Island 7.8% and the Chignik River 5.8% of the individuals sampled (Table 1).
Canadian-origin salmon were estimated to originate primarily from the Skeena River (Babine Lake exclusively) and river drainages to the north (Table 1). The contribution from the Fraser River was identified as individuals originating from Chilko Lake.
Russian-origin Sockeye Salmon caught in the central Bering Sea during 2015 comprised only 1% of the immature Sockeye Salmon sampled (Table 1).
Discussion
Bering Sea"
When Fraser River Chinook and Columbia River Chinook leave, Return and Feed in the ocean they are caught at numbers that are pretty well know. We have a good estimate what is caught it our own waters. We also have a pretty good guess what is caught in US waters and even what type of stocks and their origins. Do we know their percentages? sorta. Do we know if some stocks are targeted more ( a little bit).
But what we can't control is where in the ocean our stocks get caught and how much. How much salmon is being caught in the bearing sea? we know that Fraser river,Columbia and Russian stocks feed their. No one is DNA testing a fish while its in a net waiting to get boated. are all stocks being evening targeted while in the ocean no. There are limited openings where we hope not to catch stock of concern. Whats going on in other ocean feeding locations? we know that some Columbia River Chinook spend there whole life in inside Canadian waters.
Trumps administration will be negotiating the PST next time. Think its going to be equal pain?
If salmon are only targeted in river then we can actually manage individual stocks.
http://www.npafc.org/new/publications/Documents/PDF 2016/1627(Canada).pdf
"Stock composition of Bering Sea samples
Alaskan-origin Sockeye Salmon were the most abundant in the annual catch of immature individuals in the central Bering Sea. Bristol Bay origin immature Sockeye Salmon comprised 73.6% of all Sockeye Salmon caught during the 2015 cruise, with Alaskan-origin salmon comprising 90.7% of the catch (Table 1). Canadian-origin Sockeye Salmon accounted for 8.1% of the catch during 2015. Russian-origin salmon accounted for 1.0% of the catch during 2015. Sockeye Salmon from Bristol Bay dominated the catch of Alaskan-origin salmon, with those from the Egegik River drainage the largest contributor to the catch, with an annual contribution of 21.8% of individuals estimated to be of Egegik River origin (Table 1). Sockeye Salmon from the Kvichak River drainage were estimated to be the next most important contributor to the catch, comprising 18.5% of the salmon sampled. Sockeye Salmon from the Nushagak River drainage were estimated to comprise 10.1% of the sample. Sockeye Salmon from the Wood River drainage were estimated to comprise 9.4% of immature Sockeye Salmon sampled during the cruise, and those from Kodiak Island 7.8% and the Chignik River 5.8% of the individuals sampled (Table 1).
Canadian-origin salmon were estimated to originate primarily from the Skeena River (Babine Lake exclusively) and river drainages to the north (Table 1). The contribution from the Fraser River was identified as individuals originating from Chilko Lake.
Russian-origin Sockeye Salmon caught in the central Bering Sea during 2015 comprised only 1% of the immature Sockeye Salmon sampled (Table 1).
Discussion
Bering Sea"
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scott craven
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What we know is that Fraser Chinook are becoming endangered.
If any particular fishery should need be closed in order to conserve them,
then ALL fisheries including any in the river itself need to be closed.
Conservation should prioritize over all fisheries.
Derby
Crew Member
And that needs to be part of the conversation.. The Government is out engaging people about the wild salmon policy.. perhaps take a couple hrs , drop bye and see what that is all about & how it looks...That will be playing a large part of the regs that maybe coming.... People need to be engaged in all this stuff... SFAC meeting are coming this fall...go to local meeting .. voice your concerns...
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Absolutely I was not saying that we should net in the river if there is a conservation concern.
Derby
Crew Member
Wild Salmon Policy
Consultations are underway on the initial draft 2018-2022 Wild Salmon Policy Implementation Plan – for Consultation ("the draft plan") includes an overview of WSP strategies, highlights of progress to date, challenges and lessons learned and sets out wild salmon-related activities under the themes of Assessment Work and Integrated Planning and Program Delivery. These are activities that will be undertaken from 2018-2022 to support the goal and objectives of the WSP and build on best practices and lessons learned over the last 12 years. The draft plan also reflects some of the many contributions of Indigenous peoples, communities, stewardship groups and other organizations dedicated to salmon and salmon habitat conservation across BC and Yukon.
Fall 2017 consultations mark an important opportunity to engage on this preliminary draft, and will help shape the final document. To ensure wide geographic reach and opportunities for contribution, DFO has scheduled Public Open House sessions in 12 communities across BC and Yukon. DFO is seeking feedback on the draft document, on how work being undertaken by many communities and organizations may complement and support activities identified in the draft implementation plan, and on opportunities for future collaborative work.
The following Public Open House sessions have been scheduled:
Kamloops
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October 16, 2017
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Penticton
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21 Lakeshore Drive, Penticton, BC
October 18, 2017
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Victoria
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October 19, 2017
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Prince Rupert
Crest Hotel Prince Rupert
222 1st Ave West, Prince Rupert, BC
October 24, 2017
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Smithers
Prestige Hudson Bay Lodge Smithers
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October 25, 2017
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Nanaimo
Coast Bastion Hotel Nanaimo
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Campbell River
Thunderbird Hall Campbell River
1400 Weiweikum Rd, Campbell River, BC
October 25, 2017
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Vancouver
Segal Building, SFU, Vancouver
500 Granville Street, Vancouver, BC
October 30, 2017
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Prince George
Coast Inn of the North Prince George
770 Brunswick Street, Prince George, BC
November 1, 2017
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Tzeachten Community Hall Sardis
Promontory Rd, Sardis, BC
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Tseshaht Administration Building
5091 Tsuma-as Drive, Port Alberni, BC
November 20, 2017
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Whitehorse
Best Western Gold Rush Inn Whitehorse
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November 29, 2017
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We welcome this opportunity to hear from the many communities and individuals who are working toward the long term conservation of wild Pacific salmon, so please let others know about the upcoming Open Houses through your networks.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
I bet 90% of people did not no there were online discussion boards about changes to the "Canada is reviewing the 2012–2013 changes to the Fisheries Act ". It was open to ideas and input
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/habitat/fa-lp/index-eng.htm
Its now closed btw
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/habitat/fa-lp/consultation-eng.htm
Almost no one posted, This thread got more action then the consultations that were open from July 26, 2017, and September 11, 2017. Its sad
Basically only special interest groups commented on the forums. Fishermen post almost no topics and those posted were by east coast fishermen.
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terrin, are you an official spokesperson for any recreational angler group?
Stopping chinook fishing might not be enough to help hungry killer whales: salmon official
Larry Pynn
Published on: October 10, 2017
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/stopping-chinook-fishing.67601/page-5
Larry Pynn Published on: October 10, 2017
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/stopping-chinook-fishing.67601/page-5
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Stopping chinook fishing might not be enough to help hungry killer whales: salmon official
Published on: October 10, 2017
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/stopping-chinook-fishing.67601/page-5
With a Link http://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-to-help-hungry-killer-whales-salmon-official
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Riddell also said that ongoing research involving the foundation and the University of B.C. shows that harbour seals can have a substantial impact on juvenile chinook migrating downriver to sea and that society at some point may have to consider culling seal populations.
“If you show evidence … I’m quite sure that option is going to be brought up,” he said. “There are a lot of seals around. They’re a significant source of (chinook) mortality.”
"Mammal-eating transient killer whales have an abundance of prey, especially seals, and continue to increase steadily, numbering close to 300 from Washington to southeast Alaska."
Lasy butt resident killer whales need to learn how to eat a seal and it would give them more Chinook to eat too. Adapt or die
tincan
Well-Known Member
More coverage on the dire salmon situation:
“Shocking,” “contentious,” and “controversial” aren’t ordinarily words you hear associated with wild salmon but the truth is the salmon runs of 2016 and 2017 have been anything but ordinary. BC salmon have been shattering records, and not in a sense that anyone is excited about.
The past two years have seen unsettlingly low returns of pink, coho, and chinook salmon while Fraser River sockeye set an all-time record with their low return in 2016. Not only has this dealt a staggering blow to BC’s economy — which relies heavily on commercial fishing for salmon — but the chaos and frustration following the collapse of these populations has created enormous tension between stakeholders as commercial fishing organizations, First Nations, and recreational fishermen vie for an extremely limited number of fishing openings.
As data regarding the ongoing 2017 salmon run rolls in, it is only becoming more clear that one of BC’s most iconic species is in a fight for its survival. More upsetting is the fact that we can’t seem to stop it.
Part of the problem might be that we are fighting from behind. In the early 2000s, studies began to show a distinct decline in population among Canada’s wild salmon. Acting quickly, the Canadian government started work on a new set of policies which would set out a clear mandate to all government agencies with a framework of goals and priorities to guide the management of wild salmon. These would be published in 2005 by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) as Canada’s Wild Salmon Policy which promised a “significant new approach to the conservation of one of Canada’s most cherished resources.”
This policy was a beacon of hope to conservationists and fishermen alike who believed it marked a turning point in how we handle marine species in Canada. Their excitement was short-lived, however, as vague wording within the policy itself created changes that were slow at best and, at worst, indiscernible.
con't.... https://the-peak.ca/2017/10/fish-tales-the-collapse-of-bcs-wild-salmon/
“Shocking,” “contentious,” and “controversial” aren’t ordinarily words you hear associated with wild salmon but the truth is the salmon runs of 2016 and 2017 have been anything but ordinary. BC salmon have been shattering records, and not in a sense that anyone is excited about.
The past two years have seen unsettlingly low returns of pink, coho, and chinook salmon while Fraser River sockeye set an all-time record with their low return in 2016. Not only has this dealt a staggering blow to BC’s economy — which relies heavily on commercial fishing for salmon — but the chaos and frustration following the collapse of these populations has created enormous tension between stakeholders as commercial fishing organizations, First Nations, and recreational fishermen vie for an extremely limited number of fishing openings.
As data regarding the ongoing 2017 salmon run rolls in, it is only becoming more clear that one of BC’s most iconic species is in a fight for its survival. More upsetting is the fact that we can’t seem to stop it.
Part of the problem might be that we are fighting from behind. In the early 2000s, studies began to show a distinct decline in population among Canada’s wild salmon. Acting quickly, the Canadian government started work on a new set of policies which would set out a clear mandate to all government agencies with a framework of goals and priorities to guide the management of wild salmon. These would be published in 2005 by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) as Canada’s Wild Salmon Policy which promised a “significant new approach to the conservation of one of Canada’s most cherished resources.”
This policy was a beacon of hope to conservationists and fishermen alike who believed it marked a turning point in how we handle marine species in Canada. Their excitement was short-lived, however, as vague wording within the policy itself created changes that were slow at best and, at worst, indiscernible.
con't.... https://the-peak.ca/2017/10/fish-tales-the-collapse-of-bcs-wild-salmon/
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Thanks for the amazing editorial
How come you chose not mentioned climate change and warming water conditions?
Although in a way i think you did
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How come you chose not mentioned climate change and warming water conditions?
Although in a way i think you did
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- Monitoring levels of migrating pacific salmon are at an all-time low.
- There is inadequate information to determine the biological status of roughly one-half of [Pacific salmon]."
How do you get enough data to be accurate and of real value when no one is fishing? I have volunteered to keep log books and collect DNA samples for many years. However with the current restrictions in place in areas 19/20 there is very little data being collected in the March-July time period on stocks of concern as my boat remains tied up to the dock most days now. I'm not suggesting the restrictions are wrong...just stating a fact that when no one is fishing there is no data collection either.
Couldn't be that Fish Farms spreading their diseases and supplying sea lice to the unsuspecting salmon smolts swimming by since the early ninties has anything to do with it.
All I will tell you is that if a Recreational Angler cannot angle anymore they will have a lot more time on their hands to hold the politicians accountable. I would imagine the Tackle shops, charter operators and lodges might do the same. Are you an official spokesperson for any Fish Farm group?
OldBlackDog
Well-Known Member
So, what really would happen if the whales go extinct?
There are other killer whales in the oceans.
Just a question.
There are other killer whales in the oceans.
Just a question.
tincan
Well-Known Member
@profisher Getting proper data has been a huge challenge for a long time. Different federal governments come and go and some prioritize data collection on salmon much more than others. The fishing effort in the Strait has dropped way off (less boats out there) since the chinook and coho returns dropped sharply in the early 1990's. Nowadays I think rec fishermen are much more eager to collect and share data than ever before.... especially if it will help make the case that their 'relatively' small impact on salmon stocks is just that. Technology has come a long way as well to make this data collection / dissemination easier. It's needs a champion to run with it however and DFO (IMO) is not that champion. Their website and reports are terrible to navigate/interpret.
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