Blackleech
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You make money off of the fish. I fish for pleasure. Who's greedy?
i dont think i heard complaining until the jets started coming in bigger numbers as for bankies getting there in the dark so what, drive up in the dark and bank the boat there so you can be there firstquote:Maybe the shore guys are ruining it for the rest of us???
quote:Originally posted by c.r.angler
quote:Originally posted by Blackleech
If there's one constant with every guide on every river it's that they are using some type of boat or floatation device. IMO this is the factor that puts the most pressure on the fish and leaves the steelhead with no refuge from angling. There are a few guys that are on EI and don't even guide that are also on the water pounding fish and drinking lucky every day. Cutting back on rod days would be a good start however.
Thanks for the input C.R. Angler, you obviously know the areas in question very well. I was not aware that there were guiding operations abusing spawning fish on the Gold, although I've heard it happens regularly on the Cowichan. I absolutely agree with you about limiting the number of rod days, anyone who fished the Cowie in February this year between Stoltz and Vimy will agree that it has become a free-for-all.
I would also agree that some of these proposals seem kind of strange. Closing the Gold above the Heber for this long seems redundant - don't most of the summer steelhead go into the Heber system which is already closed at this time anyways? what do you think of the no fishing from a boat from the Falls to the Bucket on the Stamp?
I will edit my first post and include the correct link to this 'outdated' document [8D]
Summer runs can be found in that stretch any time. However most spawn in the Heber-closed from Nov.1-Apr30th, Upper Gold-closed all year and the Muchalat-closed Dec.1st-May31st. In my experience, most summers encounterd up there through the winter are mended kelts. Of course there will be some winter fish spawning through there, but it would seem like the early spawners go right through and the later ones...well the rivers closed April and May above the lower canyon so what's the difference? In all honesty, I've personally observerd more late spawning fish lower down than the proposed new closure. Big bend, Chopper, Golf course, Heber pool ect...Closing the Gold above the Heber will only concentrate presure on those spots. Maybe we should close the whole river?
I like the no angling from boats above the bucket proposal. Here's a river with intense guiding pressure. Now, It's hard to compare with the Gold or Cowichan because of a huge hatchery component and(other than this year) generally strong returns. This system can handle more pressure. However, there still needs to be a cap on rod days. I have a driftboat, have friends with sleds, and honestly prefer to bankfish that river. Yes, is can be good through the lower drift, but with so much boat traffic, it's not always enjoyable. It wasn't such a big problem until the last few years. Not that long ago, it was rare to see a sled above the bucket. Now, any time there's high water, the boats are everywhere. The part that really bothers me is that many of them seem to think because they make their living on the river that they have more rights than those of us who don't.(ie: no power over 10hp unless your a guide-go pound it!!!) It gets worse every year. As the boat traffic gets heavier, it's getting more competitive for water to fish. Now, it's normal for guide boats to cast into the same water bankies are fishing. There needs to be some ethics!!! Usually when it happens to me, it turns into a childish argument complete with swearing!!! I just won't take crap like that. Now, don't get me wrong many are very ethical but you know how it goes....Some will make everyone look bad. Because I've personally watched boaters ethics go out the window, and I'm sick of the steelhead guiding free for all, I'm all for no boats above the bucket.
quote:Originally posted by Vince914
Ken why is all the jets boats have to head to the falls pool?, one of the best access spots on the system that bankies still can get to. CAnt you guys catch fish in the lower section of the river??? Obviously not! AS for shore anglers at every spot, give your head a shake as more and more places are less accessible you seem to cut across the tail out of the falls pool not to care how close you get to the guys lines casting out you troll plugs around the falls pool whats with that?? isnt there any where else you can do that??i dont think i heard complaining until the jets started coming in bigger numbers as for bankies getting there in the dark so what, drive up in the dark and bank the boat there so you can be there firstMaybe the shore guys are ruining it for the rest of us???
Hey Vince,
Maybe YOU should fish somewhere else. You seem to have a big problem with the boats, so why don't you find somewhere else to fish?? Plenty of good water around, maybe you just need to go & look for some place where you can find some peace & quite. Last time I checked, the boats have just as much right to fish there as you, but since you are the one doing all the whining & complaining, maybe it is YOU who should go somewhere else.
Cowieslabslayer
I seen the guy get his fish ran over by Bladen (loser!!!)[B)] and MR Summersteel[)] seemed to be in disbelief but his opinion is lop sided as he gets personal fishing charters with the company saying that would never happen... wrong!!!!! buddy!! did happen
Vince, Vince, Vince; degenerating into slandering people on a public forum, how sad for you. A bit of advice, if you want to keep going on like that, I hope you have a good lawyer on retainer. You would think by now, you would give up on the pre-pubescent high school name calling, but if that is all you can come up with, I feel sorry for you.[V]
As for what happened with the fish getting run over, again, all anybody has ever heard is your side of things. Judging by the lack of civility in your posts, I would say your credibility is questionable at best.
why dont they ban all jet boats so that they cant work the river all day and once they leave a pool they cant come back and hour later and work it again
Why don't they limit shore fishermen to two hours in each pool & then have to move on. Why is it that only one user group should benefit & the other be restricted?? Didn't the guys fishing in the boats buy their licences just like you?? Didn't they pay for their rod & reel, tackle, & gas just like everybody else?? What gives you the right to deny access to other fishermen?? Don't know where you're from, but things don't work like that over here Comrade Vince.[)]
anyone can run a boat
You know Vince, you have made some pretty ludicrous statements in the past, but this one tops them all!![:0] If you think that you can just jump into a sled & go fishing with no training, practice or experience, then you just don't have a clue. Take it from someone who HAS operated a jet boat, you need skill, patience & practice to become a skilled operator, especially when charged with the safety of others. While it might look simple to people on shore, there is a lot more going on than most people realize. The mere fact that you can so casually toss aside someone's skill with their chosen craft just shows how little understanding you have of the whole situation.
quote:There are many miles of river that are inaccessible to shore fishermen & are perfect for fishing from a boat.
quote:Originally posted by Blackleech
Summersteel,
I don't think anyone's suggesting that bankies should be able to "claim" water any more than boats should. Proper river fishing ethics involve a rotational system where people can enter the river ABOVE the person who gets there first. I personally take a few steps after every drift and gradually work my way down a run, and if someone wants to come in above me and fish that's perfectly acceptable. If I catch a fish I ALWAYS give up my position if there are people above me.
HOWEVER, this does not seem to be the case with some of the boat operators who feel they can enter the run wherever they want; and when they are finished, DO IT AGAIN. The most frustrating thing, as I said earlier, is when you are fishing at the head of a run and a boat anchors downstream in the gut or tailout that you are working towards and begins fishing. Summersteel, are you telling me that you've never seen this happen on the Stamp?? I find this very hard to believe... and what Vince said about the Falls Pool jet-boat gong show this year is absolutely correct.
It would seem to me that there is a lack of undertanding of proper river ethics among certain boat operators - I say "boat" operators because this happens on the Cow as well.
A good start, on the Stamp anyways, would be some type of regulation that prohibits motoring back up the river after covering an area. This could be accomplished with a drift only regulation as I have said many times before.
As for jets above the bucket, well I hope you guys had fun this year because it looks like next season, at very least, there will be regulations prohibiting fishing from your boat. Hopefully this will be enough to discourage jets from going up to the Falls Pool. If not, I'm guessing the next step will be to prohibit motorized watercraft above the bucket.
One last thing, sorry for the long wind,
There are many miles of river that are inaccessible to shore fishermen & are perfect for fishing from a boat.
Exactly!! So why do the jet-boats have to work above the bucket?
"Summersteel, are you telling me that you've never seen this happen on the Stamp?? I find this very hard to believe..."
Not sure what to say to convince you, but it has honestly never happened to me personally. Might have something to do with the fact that I'm 6'6 & 300lbs!! Or more likely, because I tend to fish where there are simply less people. I don't really fish the falls pool anymore because of the crowds & the attitudes of a lot of people. Mostly shore guys I might add. There are lots of other spots to go. From Black Rock down to the park is a productive area for me, & I like to fish the incoming tides on the Somass as well. The rifle range is also an option, but not really my favorite water. Point is, not everyone HAS to fish the falls pool. Lets face it, everybody knows, most of the fish hold up here for a while so most guys want to target an area where they know the fish are stacked up. Definitely increases your chances of hooking up, but it also attracts the crowds from both shore & boats. It is simply the way things are. To try & exclude one group of fishermen from where the fish are just to satisfy another group is wrong. Like I said before, there IS access for shore guys to other spots, no one HAS to fish the falls pool. There are fish in the other sections of river, you just might have to work a little harder to get them to bite is all.
Here is a suggestion that might help people to spread out & find fish. In mid to late August, take a friend, Never go alone, & swim the different sections of the river. When I used to do swim counts for the GOV, I would make notes of where I saw every fish & compare them at the end of the season. Over the years, as I did my own swim counts, I would compare the holding areas to find the patterns. Year after year, the majority of the fish would hold in the same places. With this info, you can form a map in your head that will almost always lead you to where the fish should be. There are only a few sections of the Stamp that change dramatically after a flood, so most of the good spots are still there year after year. With a little hard work & some research in the off season, you can provide yourself with a wealth of information that can help lead to a more productive steelhead season.