Climate: LNG in B.C. vs Alberta tarsands

[walleyes]

Actually our last Premier was more to the left than your Liberal Premier,, hence the reason she got the boot. Nothing but a bureaucratic pig. Personally I think Christi Clarke is the best thing that has happened to BC in many years. She of course is still not far enough to the right for me but she is about as far right as BC will go in the near future so I hope for BC's sake she stays in power for a while. Until of course enough of us from AB move there and swing the vote to the Conservative party shouldn't be to many years away,, hopefully,, getting the itch to move to that fishing hot spot..

Oh and no I know not all of you are socialist's I know a lot of right wing folk from BC and not saying socialism is all together a bad thing same as capitalism ran amuck can be bad as well. We need a balance, we need capitalism governed by level headed people, not extremists but realists.

A funny for you..

 

[Big Green Machine]

That is a funny cartoon! however, Christy Clark and her Liberal aka Social Credit Nazis are only thinking about what they can do to look good during their term. They don't think about the big picture. Our future generation of potential Doctors, Engineers, and Businessmen are having an extended summer vacation because they Liberals can't pony up enough money for a democratically given right to a equally accessible and fully funded public education system.

Back to LNG!

 

[agentaqua]

Since this discussion has devolved into cute cartoons - here is a few back for you Walleyes.

 

[GLG]

[kEdly4PCnTg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEdly4PCnTg

[FONT=droid_sans]Standing beside a crowd of "a few" aboriginal friends at Lake Athabasca in northern Alberta, Leonardo DiCaprio -- Hollywood’s leading star in the environmental movement -- just threw down a challenge to the most powerful people in Canada’s oil sands development.[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]DiCaprio wants Stephen Harper and key captains of the oil sands industry to put ice on their heads.[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]“And I challenge Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada,” said DiCaprio in a Youtube video published Monday.[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]Ostensibly, the media stunt is an ALS challenge – a wildly successful viral-video social media campaign to get people to film themselves throwing ice on their heads, as a way to draw attention to the deadly neurodegenerative disease.[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]But to many, DiCaprio’s target is clearly the oil sands power brokers, over concern of the industry’s growing environmental and health impacts.[/FONT]

 

[agentaqua]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ation-to-predict-environmental-risk-1.2747301

Kinder Morgan pipeline spill simulation to predict environmental risk
City of Vancouver teams up with environmental organizations to research potential danger
CBC News Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:12 AM PT Last Updated: Aug 26, 2014 12:07 PM PT

Northern Gateway is not alone: 5 more pipelines to watch
Pipeline companies to be liable for $1B even when not at fault
Kinder Morgan skirting pipeline questions: B.C., Vancouver

http://www.salishseaspillmap.org/
Salish Sea Spill Map
(Note: CBC does not endorse and is not responsible for the content of external links.)

The potential spread of a possible oil spill from the proposed Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline is being assessed today by a simulated spill in the Fraser River and Burrard Inlet.

The simulation — created by a team from the City of Vancouver and environmental organizations, Raincoast Conservation Foundation and the Georgia Straight Alliance — drops biodegradable yellow plywood cards in the waters of the Fraser River and tracks their drift on a map, in order to show the potential reach of a pipeline oil spill.

spill simulation
Yellow plywood cards drift into the Fraser River to simulate the spread of an oil spill. (CBC)

According to Raincoast Conservation Foundation, the results from the study will help in understanding the circulation of water in the Salish Sea, and areas particularly vulnerable if an oil spill occurs.

"At the same time," Andy Rosenberger, a biologist at the RCF says, "those finding a drift card on their favourite beach or stretch of coastline experience a tangible and visceral connection to the fact that, as the cards state, this could be oil."

Members of the public who find the cards can report the location via the project's online mapping tool. The map already contains results from previous drops in 2013

 

[GLG]

Chief blasts Harper for pushing oil pipeline, blatantly ignoring climate change

[FONT=droid_sans]The chief of the Lower Nicola Indian Band south of Kamloops, B.C., whose territory is crucial to the $5.4-billion Kinder Morgan expansion project, wrote a strongly worded letter to the Prime Minister today about his "serious reservations" about the project. [/FONT][FONT=droid_sans]Kinder Morgan's pipeline recently spilled 12 barrels of oil in June 2013 on the Aboriginal territory, in the province's interior. [/FONT][FONT=droid_sans]Chief Aaron Sam gives a sharp critique of Prime Minister Harper's lack of policies to address climate change, and said First Nations near Alberta's oil sands need more meaningful consultation in light of the environmental destruction on their territory. [/FONT][FONT=droid_sans]Kinder Morgan owns a pipeline that has transported oil from Alberta to Burnaby for 60 years. It is now is applying to the federal government to twin the pipeline, to increase the oil flow from 300,000 to 890,000 barrels per day. [/FONT][FONT=droid_sans]The project would increase the number of oil tankers in the Vancouver area from 60 per year, to more than 400, said the company.[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]Read the chief's full letter below:
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[FONT=droid_sans]July 30th, 2014
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P. Prime Minister of Canada
Langevin Block,
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A2
Prime Minister,
My name is Aaron Sam and I am the elected Chief of the Lower Nicola Indian Band, part of the Nlaka’pamux Nation. We are located outside of Merritt, B.C. in the heart of our traditional territory in the southern interior of British Columbia. As you may know, the Kinder Morgan pipeline currently runs through our Lower Nicola Indian Band reserve. One of the decisions our community has to make this next year is whether we will agree to the expansion of the Kinder Morgan pipeline through our Indian reserve and traditional territory.
I am addressing this open letter to you because many in our community have serious reservations about the Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline proposal. In this letter, I am not addressing specific impacts or concerns on LNIB lands and our traditional territory; I am addressing broader impacts that affect Canadians and the natural environment.
Many of us at Lower Nicola Indian band are very much concerned that your government hasn't taken any real steps to address climate change. For us to even consider approving the expansion of the Kinder Morgan pipeline through our territory, it is imperative that the Government of Canada take immediate, real steps to attack climate change in a meaningful way.
In addition, we do not support the expansion of the Kinder Morgan pipeline because your government has not done enough to regulate the oil sands and extract resources in an environmentally sustainable way. We believe that your government should initiate a meaningful dialogue with the First Nations and others who are affected by the extracting, processing and transportation of bitumen from oil sands across Alberta and British Columbia.
We also do not support the proposed project because of the possibility of an oil spill in the Salish Sea. While we know the likelihood of a bitumen spill could be relatively low, we believe it is still a risk not worth taking.

Many Canadians, including Nlaka’pamux people, are dependent on a healthy ocean and healthy salmon. If there ever was a large oil spill in the Salish Sea, it could decimate our salmon and our healthy ocean waters for generations. Although our traditional territory is located in the interior of British Columbia, our members and families still rely significantly on wild salmon as their main food source. We see our interests being compromised by such an oil spill. In addition, such potential decimation of salmon population would have a devastating cascading effect on most other living things in our traditional territory.
If the Government of Canada doesn’t take serious steps to address the above mentioned issues while engaging First Nations in a meaningful way, we will find it very difficult, if not impossible, to support the proposed pipeline expansion through our traditional territory.
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[FONT=droid_sans]Since 2006, your government has revised and weakened many environmental laws and policies dealing with pollution, bio-diversity degradation, greenhouse effect of gas emissions and climate change. You have also made significant budget cuts at Environment Canada and other Federal government departments, leading to criticism that undermines their ability to enforce remaining and weaker environmental laws in any credible way. The restrictions placed upon the ability of government scientists to speak to the public and the media also strengthens criticism that you are trying to limit the debate on environmental issues.


As you have seen in the Supreme Court of Canada Tsilhqot’in decision, it is vital that First Nations are sitting at the table when there is any dialogue about natural resource development in this country. As you know, a genuine process of consultation and accommodation must take place before First Nations can consent to natural resource development projects.
We believe that Canada needs to develop a National Energy Strategy to move forward in a way that benefits everyone (not just a few). In order to accomplish this, I suggest that the Government of Canada spearheads a collaborative initiative where First Nations, communities affected by energy development, those concerned about the environment, academics, energy industry, business leaders, and representatives from the three levels of government engage in the development of this strategy. In order to be effective, the contribution of all involved must be recognized and valued. A National Energy Strategy will help us find creative and effective ways to have a more sustainable and diverse economy, socially relevant for all Canadians today and in the future, and mindful of the impact that the production, transportation and consumption of energy (especially from fossil fuel sources) has on the environment.
In spite of the reservations above mentioned, we are prepared to meaningfully engage in a genuine national conversation with other stakeholders in shaping Canada’s National Energy Strategy. Accordingly, I hereby volunteer my energy and commitment to work with you on such important initiative. Please let me know how I can help.
Sincerely,
(Original Signed by Chief Aaron Sam) Chief Aaron L. Sam
Lower Nicola Indian Band
Cc: BC First Nations & First Nations Organizations & Western Canada press.


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[walleyes]

Celebrity Hypocrites
By John Stossel - December 11, 2013


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I'm annoyed that so many Hollywood celebrities hate the system that made them rich.

Actor/comedian Russell Brand told the BBC he wants "a socialist, egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth."



Director George Lucas got rich not just from movies but also by selling Star Wars merchandise. Yet he says he believes in democracy but "not capitalist democracy."

Actor Martin Sheen says, "That's where the problem lies ... It's corporate America."

And so on.

On my TV show, actor/author Kevin Sorbo pointed out that such sentiments make little sense coming from entertainers. "It's a very entrepreneurial business. You have to work very hard to get lucky, mixed with any kind of talent to get a break in this business. I told Clooney, George, you're worth $100 million -- of course you can afford to be a socialist!"

It's bad enough that celebrities trash the only economic system that makes poor people's lives better.

What's worse is that many are hypocrites.

Celebrities who support big-government politicians routinely take advantage of tax breaks, which reduce the amount they contribute to that government.

It's nice that Obama supporter Bon Jovi has a foundation that builds houses for poor people, but at tax time, the musician labels himself a "farmer." He pays only $100 in state property tax. And his tax dodge gimmick: raising honeybees.

Bruce Springsteen sings about factories closing down but pays little tax on the hundreds of acres of land he owns. His dodge: An organic farmer works his land.

Hollywood's campaign to "save the earth" brings out the most hypocrisy. Actor Leonardo DiCaprio recently announced, "I will fly around the world doing good for the environment." Really? Flying around the world? I'm amazed they're not embarrassed by what they say.

Maybe they don't know how clueless they are because reporters rarely confront them about their hypocrisy. Hollywood reporters want access to celebrities, and posing uncomfortable questions reduces that access.

To fill the gap, Jason Mattera, author of "Hollywood Hypocrites," confronts hypocritical celebrities.

He and his cameraman located Harrison Ford after the actor had himself filmed getting his chest hair waxed.

Ford said the pain of ripping out his chest hair should make us think about the pain the earth feels when trees in a rainforest are cut down. Chest hair, rain forest -- get it? But that environmental message came from a celebrity who owns seven airplanes. Ford once even flew his private jet to get a cheeseburger!

"I don't care that he owns seven airplanes," said Mattera, "but do not lecture the rest of us that we're on the precipice of global warming Armageddon while you have a sasquatch-sized carbon footprint." Even though Ford ignored Mattera when confronted by him, at least he was forced to listen to someone questioning his positions.

Some actors wake up to the burden of big government when they try doing something outside acting. Actors usually collect a paycheck. They rarely deal with government regulation; their agent handles the details.

When actor and lifelong Democrat Rob Schneider tried launching a business, he was so offended by California's burdensome regulation that he left the state and changed political parties.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was enthusiastic about free markets when he owned a bricklaying business. But, unfortunately, during his time as California governor, he started to act more like a supporter of big government. Being a politician has that effect on people, especially in California.

Actors Drew Carey and Vince Vaughn are among the few others who've seen the light. On ReasonTV, Carey said, "We don't need a centralized government to tell us what to do all the time."

On a radio show, Vaughn recently said, "I'm very supportive of Ron Paul ... As you get older ... you just get less trust in the government running anything. If you look at the Constitution and the principles of liberty, the real purpose of government is to protect the individual's right."

Hooray for Carey and Vaughn. Maybe they'll convince their colleagues.

John Stossel is the host of “Stossel”, which airs Thursdays on FOX Business Network at 9 pm ET. He’s the author of “No, They Can’t! Why Government Fails but Individuals Succeed”.

 

[walleyes]

More opportunities for your children to work and stay at home. Get behind it BC your children need work, they deserve it.

http://www.kindermorgan.com/business/canada/data/2/rec_docs/newsletter_energy_pathways_July2012.pdf

 

[walleyes]

You have an industry that you can be proud of and it's growing. You are the 2nd largest producer in the country of one of the cleanest forms of energy that is readily available at this time. Take charge and show the world you care.

http://www.capp.ca/CANADAINDUSTRY/INDUSTRYACROSSCANADA/Pages/BritishColumbia.aspx

 

[walleyes]

Give your children what they need. Security in a long term career that will keep them home to enjoy their beautifully province. It's your responsibility as the voting adults to create this environment for your children. They can't vote they don't have a say so you all must do it for them. Don't create another Sask where in some regions 40% had to leave home to find work.

http://www.bcjobsplan.ca/discussions/

 

[walleyes]

Some history for you.

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/why-socialism-failed

 

[GLG]

BC and China sign MOU to allow foreign workers to expand LNG industry

[FONT=droid_sans]B.C. and China have signed a memorandum of understanding that will bring foreign workers, if needed, to help build the province's growing LNG industry. [/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]The agreement reads:

The Participants will, in accordance with their respective applicable laws and regulations, and respecting the priority of hiring domestic labour whenever possible, work together with the appropriate authorities to secure and facilitate the entry of foreign workers."

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[FONT=droid_sans]The 16 proposed LNG projects in BC are said to bring a potential 100,000 jobs to the province. Coleman said certain jobs won't be filled by British Columbia-based workers, due to positions requiring specialized experience in the LNG industry. [/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]"Strengthening relationships with our trade partners in China creates unprecedented growth opportunities for our province’s natural gas sector,” Minister of Natural Gas Development Rich Coleman said. “Working together will accelerate LNG development and job creation in British Columbia and help China reach its need for a new energy supply.”[/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]Some critics worry that it will lead to further use of temporary foreign workers to fill positions that could have gone to British Columbians. [/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]“There’s a throwaway line about local jobs, but what it says is we’re going to do anything and everything we need to do to make sure you’ve got the temporary foreign workers if you need them and want them," NDP critic Shane Simpson told the Vancouver Sun. [/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]The MOU is not legally binding, and can be terminated by either party with one month notice. The use of temporary foreign workers has sparked controversy in Alberta and BC in recent years. In Alberta's oil patch, workers have complained that temporary workers from countries like Croatia had replaced dozens of Canadians who had just been laid off, while in BC, two unions sued a mining company for bringing in 200 Chinese workers to work on a coal mine in Northeast BC. The unions' case was dismissed in May. [/FONT]
[FONT=droid_sans]Read the full MOU here: [/FONT]
MOU BC China July 24 14

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....
Heaven forbid that my kids, when they lay their head to the pillow, don't say.
In the name of the dollar, and "it's the sun" and the holy shareholder.
Protect me from the elements for my parents know not what they did.

 

[GLG]

Walleyes. nice trick your trying to pull by linking climate change with socialism.
You must be one of those that think there is a "one world order government' conspiracy.
You know, how good governance can only be saved by the dirty carbon companies.
But here is the thing.....
Climate change knows no difference between left and right.
It just is.... the earth adjusts to what we do.
We keep dumping CO2 into the air and it gets warmer.
Ice melts, sea level rises and ocean get acidic.
Don't believe it is happening.....
I could care less if you think the world is flat or the earth is 6000 years old.
That don't change what we see today.....
The real question is what are we going to do about it.
Some of use would like to tackle the problem and get on with the solutions.
You seem to think the solution is more carbon.
I don't share your view and think the answer is to use less carbon based energy.
Develop clean energy and become more efficient and use less dirty energy.
As I see it there are many tools that we can use to achieve the goal.
Minimum standards on new products brought to the market.
Revenue neutral Carbon Tax like we have shown here in BC to actually work.
Cap and trade ( not sure I like that one because of the cheats in the system)

Many of us are looking at market based solutions to our problems.
We don't want destroy the economy, we want to harness it to create positive change.

There are solutions out there that with our support can make a difference.
We just have to go out and buy the stuff and ignore the naysayers.

I would hope that you could join us and find solutions.
If not take care and don't eat the game as the Mercury is getting high in you neck of the woods.

 

[walleyes]

Actually I live quite a ways back in the woods,, the game where I live is as pure and clean as it gets. A citiot like you would cry driving out to my place you would be so scared lol..

But keep posting lies I am sure there are some that believe you.. I will just keep posting links to help out your kids future.

The only thing that keeps me going on this on this site is all the PM's I keep getting from people on here from your province thanking me for what I am doing. They unfortunately don't want to stand out on here for what ever reason I guess they don't like controversy I don't know. I do it because I want to see prosperity in all corners of our country. I feel for all those small towns in BC that have been basically shut down because of your kind taking control of the votes. But it's coming to and end for you people. Your kids are wising up, they are coming over here to work and many of us are moving there,, the change is coming your days are numbered. Right always wins in the end look around the world most all the socialist experiments have failed and collapsed BC's will as well..

But done again for a while,, have to head to work in the morning and drill some wells,, got to feed those machine's your driving thanks for keeping me going man,, buy a couple more please..

Later..

 

[seadna]

Walleyes - when it comes to climate change and man's influence on that AGAIN and your OPINION - See - this link for additional context. Just like I don't get advice on my Honda marine engines from a Toyota car mechanic, I'll take my advice from scientists with actual experience and studies in climate science as opposed to a Walleye fisherman....

 

[GLG]

Your a piece of work there walleyes.
So lets get this straight

Oh grasshopper,,, we are so naive,, to the point of being humorous really lol..

Really.... Naive and funny

No not to pick a fight GLG but to try and enlighten and get some of you to see outside the little shells you live in..

What do you mean by "little shells" is that some insult?

Environmental Hypocrisy
A new study shows that people are more likely to cheat and steal after buying green products.

Really.... Are you insinuating I'm a cheat and a thief?

Can't explain brain surgery to a garbage man so why bother arguing with you.

Again this some kind of insult. There is honor in both those jobs but I don't think that's your point.

The free loading socialists won't be interested in it but I hope the majority of the people that read these posts will read and enjoy and throw your support behind this site.

http://www.bcprosperity.ca

There you go again .. you calling me a socialist? You don't know me and if you did you would know better. Personally don't think it would work here but Norway seems to like it.

A citiot like you would cry driving out to my place you would be so scared lol..

What is a citiot? do you mean city idiot.... Sorry I don't cry and don't scare easy.

But keep posting lies I am sure there are some that believe you.. I will just keep posting links to help out your kids future.

There you go again.... I post lies..... is that like calling me a lire???

Your a piece of work there walleyes.

Actually I live quite a ways back in the woods

Now I get it.....

 

[GLG]

Since politics was brought up lets look at the latest polls from our friends down south.
You see it's not a left or right thing, it's all of us.

• 88% of Democrats, 59% of Independents and 61% of liberal/moderate Republicans think global warming is happening, compared to only 28% of conservative Republicans;
• 81% of Democrats and 51% of liberal/moderate Republicans are worried about global warming, compared to only 19% of conservative Republicans;
• 82% of Democrats and 65% of liberal/moderate Republicans support strict carbon dioxide emission limits on existing coal-fired power plants to reduce global warming and improve public health, compared to only 31% of conservative Republicans.

More here
http://climatecrocks.com/2014/08/26/tide-turning-on-climate-politics/

 

[GLG]

From the link in the post I just made

This week, the NYTimes published psychiatrist Robert Lifton’s discussion of the trends:

AMERICANS appear to be undergoing a significant psychological shift in our relation to global warming. I call this shift a climate “swerve,” borrowing the term used recently by the Harvard humanities professor Stephen Greenblatt to describe a major historical change in consciousness that is neither predictable nor orderly.
The first thing to say about this swerve is that we are far from clear about just what it is and how it might work. But we can make some beginning observations which suggest, in Bob Dylan’s words, that “something is happening here, but you don’t know what it is.” Experience, economics and ethics are coalescing in new and important ways. Each can be examined as a continuation of my work comparing nuclear and climate threats.
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Pragmatic institutions like insurance companies and the American military have been confronting the consequences of climate change for some time. But now, a number of leading financial authorities are raising questions about the viability of the holdings of giant carbon-based fuel corporations. In a world fueled by oil and coal, it is a truly stunning event when investors are warned that the market may end up devaluing those assets. We are beginning to see a bandwagon effect in which the overall viability of fossil-fuel economics is being questioned.
Can we continue to value, and thereby make use of, the very materials most deeply implicated in what could be the demise of the human habitat? It is a bit like the old Jack Benny joke, in which an armed robber offers a choice, “Your money or your life!” And Benny responds, “I’m thinking it over.” We are beginning to “think over” such choices on a larger scale.
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[walleyes]

Your a piece of work there walleyes.

Well thank you sir,, I do try..

Not used to people standing up to you are you.. But it's easy when one is right..

K,, have to go got meetings to attend..

Remember,, keep running those machines for me,, I love it !!

 

[dougthefisher]

no matter what you have to say, everyone has to know we are destroying the planet we live on. your childrens children are the ones who are going to suffer for it.