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Environmental Hypocrisy
A new study shows that people are more likely to cheat and steal after buying green products.
There have probably been environmental hypocrites ever since the first caveman professed his love of wildlife right before going out and slaughtering giant herds of megafauna, but it's never been clear exactly what underlies the hypocrisy. Sure, it's easier to say than to do (to laud walking and carpooling but drive an SUV), and we're all good at exceptionalism (everyone else should cut back on jet travel, but it's really important that I take my private jet to the meeting on climate change). Still, hypocrisy is so rife, there surely has to be more to it.

In the case of environmental hypocrisy, that "more" may be the virtuous glow we get from doing one little green thing: it casts an outsize moral halo. That is, we feel so righteous when we buy organic food or a compact fluorescent bulb or a Prius that our internal moral cup runneth over. According to this model, which is called compensatory ethics (see the PDF of the first paper on this Web site), people have an inner sense of how morally virtuous they need to feel to support their self-image. If a few actions (including espousing actions for other people) are enough to justify how we like to think of ourselves, then we do not need to perform any additional virtuous actions. It's as if we accumulate moral points for ethical actions, and having accumulated "enough" we are free to act amorally, or even immorally. That's why reminding people of what wonderful humanitarians they are causes them to give less to charity.

"Virtuous acts can license subsequent asocial and unethical behaviors," writes Nina Mazar and Chen-Bo Zhong of the University of Toronto in a paper scheduled for publication in the coming months in Psychological Science.

Two new experiments suggest there is something to this. Mazar and Zhong had 156 volunteers (University of Toronto students) visit online stores that carried mostly green products, or only a few. After browsing for a while, some of the volunteers played the dictator game: they were given $6, and told they could propose to divide the money with a partner any way they liked. The caveat: the partner could accept or reject the proposed division, and if he rejected it, then no one would get any money. Proposing a 5-to-1 split was therefore likely to send both parties home empty-handed, whereas a 3-3 split, or even a 4-2, was more likely to pay off.

Volunteers who saw lots of green products proposed more generous splits than those who saw conventional ones, by $2.12 to $1.59—one third more. That reflects the well-established priming effect, in which subtle cues shape our behavior (if we see pictures of upscale restaurants, we tend to improve our table manners; seeing Apple's logo makes people more creative, at least in lab experiments). Simply seeing green products, which symbolize high ethical standards and selflessness, causes people to unconsciously adjust their behavior to be more ethical and generous, in this case by sharing more money.

Buying green products—some of the volunteers were given $25 to spend in the green store, while others were given $25 to spend in the conventional store—had an entirely different effect. Volunteers who bought up to $25 worth of ecofriendly stuff from the green store shared less money ($1.76) than those who purchased from the conventional store ($2.18). (Just to be clear, the volunteers were not given a choice about which online store to patronize.) For the green buyers, altruism in the dictator game decreased. More alarming, when the green buyers were then given a chance to cheat on a computer game, and lie about it to the scientists in order to win more money—basically, to steal—they did. Buyers of conventional products did not. And in an honor system in which they took money from an envelope to pay themselves their winnings, the green buyers stole six times more than the conventional buyers did.

The usual caveats for this kind of experiment apply. One hundred fifty-six university students may not be representative of society as a whole. The situation was artificial: playing the dictator game and the computer game, not helping a blind man across the street or volunteering at a soup kitchen. The amount of money at stake in the computer game where cheating and stealing were possible was small—less than $1. Still, as Mazar points out, the money was completely real to the volunteers, and she believes the findings do apply in the real world.

There is no telling how powerful the boomerang effect of compensatory ethics might be. If someone has just bought free-trade, shade-grown coffee, is he more likely to shove you out of his way? If she's just lugged her e-waste to the recycling center, is she more likely to cut in line at the bank? Just to be safe, I'm not letting my husband anywhere near our tax return after he weatherstrips our doors this weekend.
 
Environmental Hypocrisy
Published: October 17, 2012 Share
Are you an environmentalist? If so, what does that mean to you? Let me tell you what it means to me, not in an intentionally vituperative manner, but hopefully in an eye opening, or at least reflective one. I understand the desire to see and appreciate nature, to have clean air and water, and to generally appreciate and nurture our resources and the source from whence they come. I also understand how these sentiments, when carried too far, are in direct conflict with sustained growth, improved human condition and welfare, and the physical and emotional health of the middle and lower classes.

There is no more a regressive tax than those policies and regulations that impact energy production and costs. My wealthy friends that have 3,500 square foot homes and summer condos, that regularly vacation abroad, are slightly annoyed when their electric bill or gas prices rise. These types of people rarely, if ever, reflect on the real hardships these price increases have on people that live paycheck to paycheck. These price increases are often truly destructive.

When so many of the policy choices promoted by people like Al Gore, his “fly-over” celebrity friends, and wealthy coastal liberals come from equal parts appreciation for nature, a desire to maintain their own personal open spaces (both seen and unseen), and a simmering disdain for American culture as it appears in rural and suburban energy reliance, it is hard to ignore the hypocrisy in the anger these types direct at carbon emissions. This is when they are usually in the top 1/10 of 1% of personal carbon emitters in the world and produce more personal carbon from their home air conditioning in a year than the average Kansan does driving her F150 to and from her job site.

But the harm to the working class is not the only problem. There is the major, but oft dismissed notion of “to what end?” It is generally accepted that curbing our own carbon emissions through regulation and tax will not actually curtail the growth of world carbon emissions. We are constantly meant to be frightened into action with calls that if we don’t act today (literally, today!), then it will simply be too late to stop the total devastation of the earth’s sustainability. Yet, the continued growth and economic development throughout the world, at exponential rates, particularly in China and India, will not only replace the growth currently attributed to America, but vastly exceed it. This worldwide growth makes irrelevant and irrational the imposed sacrifices on the working poor and lower socioeconomic classes.

One only need look at the probable rationales of other countries in instituting policies and treaties, already routinely ignored by most current signatories, on the currently uncommitted United States. It is an understandably seductive idea to emerging economies that it is their “turn” as countries to grow, and that America should now pay for its past successes to their benefit. However, if America ever succumbs to these pressures, it will undoubtedly result in the same universal failure that socialist dogma has befell all previous blind believers throughout history.

Of course, there are the carbon offsets. When Al Gore found that people would look at other causes of carbon emissions than low mileage SUV’s or industry production when evaluating his words on global warming, and realized that he was undoubtedly one of the worst abusers in the world by his own measures, he did not deign to modify either his stance or his lifestyle. Instead, Gore rather brilliantly, if equally absurdly in its blatant disregard for all logic and reason considering his public demeanor on the subject, decided he could profit, and profit handsomely, by creating the carbon offset. Mr. Gore won a Nobel Peace Prize in spite of, or even because of, it all.

This offset became a business which allows the sinner to buy her way into heaven without actually sacrificing in any meaningful way her cherished lifestyle, while still being able to profess her status as an environmentalist and exude public scorn for both the unabashed industrialist and capitalist sympathizer. A modern day indulgence. In my mind, the act speaks for itself as to the merit and the motive of the Nobelist’s message, but let’s look at an analogy for further clarification.

It is eerily similar to the 80s television evangelists who would proclaim us sinners and demand we repent in action and with our paycheck. People would do so only to discover in the end that the greatest sinners were the preachers themselves. Our shame was not only in having listened to those castigating us for the very things they were so blatantly guilty of themselves, but in having made them rich by appealing to and preying on, our genuine and good natured guilt. The modern environmentalist is no different.

Does that mean to call oneself an environmentalist one must be the stereotypical tree hugger, someone who has removed herself from the capitalist system entirely, one who desires a world and state of nature and seeks to govern as such? It is possible that you must do so if you want to be consistent in your words and deeds, or at least care for those with fewer comforts and opportunities than yourself, but no fewer desires. Certainly so if you continue to embrace the all encompassing carbon emitting capitalist structure.

I would ask you to take it a step further and consider that if you personally advocate less energy development (of actual, usable, cost efficient fuels; we all want the magic pill, but it isn’t here yet, so we deal with reality), if you like the idea of European like gas prices and the taxes and regulations that cause them, if you propose severe carbon taxes to curtail exploration, development, and production, both in energy and industry, in my opinion, and I hope you have considered it before, or if not, will do so now, you might not realize the actual effects of your cause, but it is almost surely increased human hardship. I often compare the environmentalist on the left with the defense hawk on the right and the bogey man we choose to see. The Republican voter, to use a generalization, who obfuscates the efforts of “sustainable” endeavors obviously wants clean air, water, and a nice park here or there in the city or the hinterland to visit, just as the Democrat who seeks military cuts and does not see the merit in “peace through strength” wants a safe, protected and peaceful world. I often think the best solution would be to put the environmentalists in charge of defense and the defense hawks in charge of the environment.
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Pretty lame rebuttal, Walleyes. All of us who disagree with your postings are "environmental hypocrites"??

I thought this was a memorable quote from your favourite author(s):

"A new study shows that people are more likely to cheat and steal after buying green products" - no reference given
"There have probably been environmental hypocrites ever since the first caveman professed his love of wildlife right before going out and slaughtering giant herds of megafauna, but it's never been clear exactly what underlies the hypocrisy"...

I think this last quote really shows insight into the authors mind - and his inability to understand the most basic concepts of stewardship and love. I love fish. I love eating fish. I want all future generations to enjoy the same opportunities. I want there to be abundant salmon stocks forever. There is only a hypocrisy in this author's rather twisted mind.

Interesting that you picked an article from the Hoover Institute and the Orwellian-named so-called "Competitive Enterprise Institute".

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hoover-institution

Hoover is well-known for its influential role in developing President Bush's economic policy, the Hoover Institution is "the…conservative think tank President Bush looks to for ideas." - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hoover-institution#sthash.FzsA4QkW.dpuf

Hoover Scholars: Right-Wing Leaders, Academics and Writers:

Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House and "de facto leader of the Republican Party" in the mid-nineties, elected to U.S. House of Representatives in 1978.
- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hoover-institution#sthash.FzsA4QkW.dpuf

Quotes About Hoover:

Vice President Dick Cheney, Feburary 2003 Hoover Overseers Meeting:
"I do think we are off to a good start, and it is important that we have the support and enthusiastic involvement of organizations like the Hoover Institution, one of the leading think tanks and sources of ideas. Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, John Taylor, and many others have been key as we developed our campaign and policy. We want to thank you for what you have done for us and ask you to be a part of the debate during the next few years."

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, February 2003, Hoover Overseers Meeting:
"I'm delighted to be able to be here. I just came out of a meeting with the president with Mitch Daniels, who I understand is going to be here soon. And I saw Karl Rove over there, who I guess is going to be one of your panelists or something later today. They're all friends of Hoover and recognize that this institution is surely one of the — America's great centers of learning."

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hoover-institution#sthash.FzsA4QkW.dpuf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute
CEI is an outspoken anthropogenic climate change skeptic and an opponent of government action that would require limits on greenhouse gas emissions. It favors free-market environmentalism, and supports the idea that market institutions are more effective in protecting the environment than is government.

In March 1992, CEI’s founder Fred Smith said of anthropogenic climate change: "Most of the indications right now are it looks pretty good. Warmer winters, warmer nights, no effects during the day because of clouding, sounds to me like we’re moving to a more benign planet, more rain, richer, easier productivity to agriculture."[10]

In May 2006, CEI's global warming policy activities attracted attention as it embarked upon an ad campaign with two television commercials [10]. These ads promote carbon dioxide as a positive factor in the environment and argue that global warming is not a concern. One ad focuses on the message that CO2 is misrepresented as a pollutant, stating that "it’s essential to life. We breathe it out. Plants breathe it in... They call it pollution. We call it life."[11] The other states that the world's glaciers are "growing, not melting... getting thicker, not thinner."[11] It cites Science articles to support its claims. However, the editor for Science stated that the ad "misrepresents the conclusions of the two cited Science papers... by selective referencing". The author of the articles, Curt Davis, director of the Center for Geospatial Intelligence at the University of Missouri-Columbia, said CEI was misrepresenting his previous research to inflate their claims. "These television ads are a deliberate effort to confuse and mislead the public about the global warming debate," Davis said.[12]

CEI is funded by donations from individuals, foundations and corporations. Past and present funders include the Scaife Foundations, Exxon Mobil, the Ford Motor Company Fund, Pfizer, and the Earhart Foundation.[37]

Aequus Institute, Amoco Foundation, Inc., Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Coca-Cola Company, E.L. Craig Foundation, CSX Corporation, Earhart Foundation, Fieldstead and Co., FMC Foundation, Ford Motor Company Fund, Gilder Foundation, Koch Family Foundations (including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, and Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation), Philip M. McKenna Foundation, Inc., Curtis and Edith Munson Foundation, Philip Morris Companies, Inc., Pfizer Inc., Precision Valve Corporation, Prince Foundation, Rodney Fund, Sheldon Rose, Scaife Foundations (Carthage Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation), and Texaco, Inc. (Texaco Foundation).

Other documents in the LTDL show that CEI has received funding directly from various tobacco companies.[39][40] For example, the listing on the Philip Morris Glossary of Names: C[41] gives the note "Received public policy grant from Philip Morris (1995); Pro-market public interest group dedicated to advancing the principles of free enterprise and limited government."

ExxonMobil Corporation was a major donor to CEI, with over $2 million in contributions between 1998 and 2005. In 2002, the company gave $405,000;[42] in 2004, it gave CEI $180,000 that was earmarked for "global climate change and global climate change outreach." [43] In 2006, the company announced that it had ended its funding for the group.[44]


http://www.desmogblog.com/competitive-enterprise-institute
The following is according to the CEI website as of December, 2011:

Board of Directors

Michael S. Greve — Chairmain of the board. John G. Searle Scholar at AEI.
James R. Curley — Also serves on the board of the Reason Foundation.
Leonard Liggio — Executive vice president for academics at the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.
Thomas Gale Moore — Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
Frances B. Smith — Adjunct Fellow with the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
Fred L. Smith, Jr. — President and Founder of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
James R. Von Ehr — President and founder of Zyvex Labs, LLC.
W. Thomas Haynes — Executive Director of The Coca-Cola Bottlers’ Association.

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php
Competitive Enterprise Institute has received $2,005,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

1998
$85,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: Exxon Education Foundation Dimensions 1998 report

2000
$230,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
general support
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990

2001
$280,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Worldwide Giving Report

2002
$205,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
50K congressional briefing program, 140K general operating support, 60K legal activities
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Worldwide Giving Report

2002
$200,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
140K general operating support, 60K for legal activities.
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$25,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Annual Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2003
$440,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Global Climate Change
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2004
$90000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Global Climate Change Outreach
Source: ExxonMobil 2004 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report

2005
$180,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 Worldwide Giving Report. (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute)
 
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Majority of British Columbians open to Northern Gateway
A majority of British Columbians are willing to support the Northern Gateway Pipeline, according to a poll conducted by Bloomberg Business Week and Nanos Research Group.
That’s right: a clear majority of British Columbians are open to Northern Gateway.
According to the poll, 29% are prepared to support NGP outright, as is. Put shovels in the ground today; we need this thing.
Another 33% are open to the project but think it needs a bit more review.
And 34% would like the project killed.
So 62% of British Columbians are completely supportive or at least prepared to back the pipeline under the right circumstances.
That’s a pretty significant margin –two thirds to one third.
“This project isn’t dead yet. There’s still an opportunity to turn this around for pipeline proponents,” said Nik Nanos of Nanos Research Group.
The question is this: what would make that one third in the middle comfortable with the pipeline?
According to the poll, the number one top-of-mind issue for respondents is the possibility of an oil spill. The number two top-of-mind issue is the prospect of good jobs. Clearly these folks are balancing the risk of a leak against the certainty of employment.
Previous polling showed that British Columbians are typically unaware of the steps taken by the federal government to ensure pipeline safety standards. They are also unaware of the new technologies used by companies to dramatically increase safety.
Less than a month ago, the federal government announced new steps including complete liability on companies for clean ups, more involvement for aboriginal groups in preparing and implementing pipeline safety, and increased authority for the National Energy Board over pipeline design, construction, technology and incident response. This is on top of a multitude of stricter regulations applicable to both pipelines and tankers introduced in recent months and years.
Technologically, new innovations like “smart pigs” (little computers that constantly inspect the inside of pipelines), remote shut-off valves, and sensors that constantly monitor pressure, temperature and flow, all make pipelines the safest possible way to move oil.
New clean-up methods are also technologically advanced, ranging from microbes that actually eat oil spilled in water, to new land spill surfactants that contain no hazardous chemicals and are so safe that the recovered oil can be re-used!
We owe it to the 33% to help them get the information they need to decide.
 
I'm not getting into spats with you guys anymore,, just going to post facts. Can't explain brain surgery to a garbage man so why bother arguing with you.

http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocId=242081&DT=NTV
Thanks for the "facts" brochure, walleyes.

Did you notice that nothing was mentioned in your faint hope factbook from the CAPP about turning radii, levels of insurance, inability to recover dilbit, accidents or human error???

It's kinda glaringly obvious to us here on the Coast, Walleyes.
 
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For the hard working people that are the back bone of your province. The free loading socialists won't be interested in it but I hope the majority of the people that read these posts will read and enjoy and throw your support behind this site.

http://www.bcprosperity.ca
 
Nice copy and paste from an article written by a
[ ] A: Scientist with a solid understanding of chemistry
[ ] B: A guy with degrees in economics
[ ] C: A guy with a long history of controversial bits ranging from calling those who question Israel's policies "Antisemetic" to equating taxes and government spending with "Congress forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another"
[ ] D: A follower of Ayn Rand

If you answered B,C, and D, you're correct.

See - this link for additional context
 
...The free loading socialists won't be interested in it...http://www.bcprosperity.ca
What about the evil, non-socialist free-loading Corporations, Walleyes????

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/07/29/Canadian-Multinationals-Dodging-Taxes/
How to Stop Canadian Multinationals from Dodging Their Taxes
And if you thought low rates bought their loyalty, you're wrong.
By Dennis Howlett, 29 Jul 2014, TheTyee.ca

http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/05/06/BC-Liberals-Tax-Shifts/
BC Liberals' 12 Years of Tax Shifts, Explained
Gordon Campbell was swept in on tax cuts, hounded out on HST.
By Doug Ward, 6 May 2013, TheTyee.ca

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/02/27/BC-Tax-Cut-Era/
The Era of Tax Cut Stupidity that Starved BC
Will McMartin details how the BC Liberals squandered a historic chance to strengthen this province.
By Will McMartin, 27 Feb 2012, TheTyee.ca

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/15/Canadas-34-Billion-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies/
Oil Sands Cleanup Opportunity #4: Restore Subsidies for Innovation
Scaled back federal support for new tech frustrates top oil patch execs.
By Geoff Dembicki, 15 Mar 2013, TheTyee.ca

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/15/Canadas-34-Billion-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies/
IMF Pegs Canada's Fossil Fuel Subsidies at $34 Billion
In such giveaways we're a world leader, a fact rarely noted when federal budgets are debated.
By Mitchell Anderson, 15 May 2014, TheTyee.ca

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2013/02/british-columbias-lng-corporate-welfare.html
British Columbia`s LNG Corporate Welfare Scheme Exposed

http://creekside1.blogspot.com/2012/01/cida-doles-out-corporate-welfare-to.html
CIDA doles out corporate welfare to mining giants

http://www.canadianprogressiveworld...ed-out-22-1b-in-corporate-welfare-since-1961/
Industry Canada dished out $22.1B in “corporate welfare” since 1961

http://www.abbotsfordtoday.ca/good-corporate-citizens-dont-take-cash-from-taxpayers/
Good Corporate Citizens Don’t Take Cash From Taxpayers
By The Editor on November 28, 2013
 
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For the hard working people that are the back bone of your province. The free loading socialists won't be interested in it but I hope the majority of the people that read these posts will read and enjoy and throw your support behind this site.

http://www.bcprosperity.ca
You do - of course realize - that the main people behind this are:

Cary Pinkowski
CEO
Astur Gold Corp.
Public Company; 1-10 employees; AST; Mining & Metals industry
February 2010 – Present (4 years 7 months)

Director
Allow Golden Rice
March 2014 – Present (6 months) Vancouver, Canada Area

Director on the non-profit organization, Allow Golden Rice. Working with the Co-Founder of Greenpeace, Dr.Patrick Moore. www.allowgoldenricenow.org
Founder
Entree Gold
Public Company; 11-50 employees; Mining & Metals industry
2002 – 2007 (5 years) Vancouver, Canada Area

Founded Entree Gold. Secured initial 60/40 joint venture from Mongol Gazaar March 2002. Secured 100% purchase of Shivee Tolgoi including NSR in 2004. One of the largest gold/copper deposits ever discovered. Now being developed by Rio Tinto. Entree has raised over $150m since inception.
Senior Investment Advisor
Canaccord Financial
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Financial Services industry
January 1990 – December 2004 (15 years) Vancouver, Canada Area

Consistently, one of the top stockbrokers at Canaccord (top 1% out of 600). Focused on resource and internet technologies. Specialist in technical, momentum long/short trading. Financed Bema Gold in 1999, National Gold in 2000 (100% of Mulatos, now Alamos Gold).

Bruce Lounds, Executive Director
Bruce has extensive experience in Canada’s oil and gas industry. He has worked in various engineering and management roles with Conoco Phillips and BP. He also worked as a management consultant for Connex Solutions for several years.
 
When they use the term "prosperity" - they don't mean it to focus on us working stiffs, Walleyes. Look at what these CEOs earn, Walleyes. They don't work any harder than you or I. They sure get paid shitloads more, though. Then there is their stock portfolios and dividends. It's a game, Walleyes, especially the Venture Capital market. A big roulette wheel - and when it stops spinning - we all pay - not the CEOs. Just like the Mount Polley mine tailings failure. How many of bank CEOs lost their jobs and lifestyles after the mortgage crises in the States? Most got BONUSES!! How many of them lost their homes? Was it "free" enterprise giving the banks $Billions?
 
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When they use the term "prosperity" - they don't mean it to focus on us working stiffs, Walleyes. Look at what these CEOs earn, Walleyes. They don't work any harder than you or I. They sure get paid shitloads more, though. Then there is their stock portfolios and dividends. It's a game, Walleyes, especially the Venture Capital market. A big roulette wheel - and when it stops spinning - we all pay - not the CEOs. Just like the Mount Polley mine tailings failure. How many of bank CEOs lost their jobs and lifestyles after the mortgage crises in the States? Most got BONUSES!! How many of them lost their homes? Was it "free" enterprise giving the banks $Billions?


Lol,, your preaching to a capitalist here man,, you think CEO's making millions bothers me ?? Makes me want to work harder to get there lol.. What do you want,, them to give it to you just cause your you ?? Doesn't work that way. It's been tried in many places and it's failed every time.. Read my signature !!
 
Lol,, your preaching to a capitalist here man,, you think CEO's making millions bothers me ?? Makes me want to work harder to get there lol.. What do you want,, them to give it to you just cause your you ?? Doesn't work that way. It's been tried in many places and it's failed every time.. Read my signature !!
Capitalism is a failed experiment in governance, Walleyes. It only works for the 1% who benefit, who will tell you lies to keep the gravy train rolling for them. The stock market has crashed time and again. It will again. It only works on a model of perpetual consumption and increases in that consumption. The real problem with that approach is that it is short-term and unsustainable. We only have the 1 planet - the 1 spaceship for all humankind.

There are rather large consequences for our increases in consumption - including burning fossil fuels. Most of those consequences will be shouldered by our descendants in the next 60-10,000 years. Using the stock market as justification is justifying greed over responsible governance. Supporting the stock market is not the reason I was born on this planet. There are other, equally acceptable social focii where the stock market is not a priority. We need to accurately understand what the real cost/benefit analysis is long-term for each proposed project. If CEOs hide info and use PR teams to lie to you - there is a reason for that.
 
We are getting far off the topic so only one post on this.

Benefits of capitalism
Capitalism has many benefits compared to other economic forms.
In general, capitalism produces more wealth.
Capitalism actively rewards positive traits like hard work and ingenuity. Similarly, it punishes negative traits such as laziness and theft.
Capitalism is more compatible with democracy than other systems. In fact, there are few republics or democracies in the modern world that are not capitalistic.
Capitalism is more compatible with Christianity than other systems.
Free markets are the natural state of trade. Unlike socialism, which requires government interference, capitalism can develop naturally. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to have smaller governments.
Free markets can conduct certain functions that are normally handled by the government. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to be more efficient and free from government control.
The competition between markets and businesses will create more productivity in the work place, allowing the rate of technological innovation to increase. This will cause the society to advance while the costs of goods and services will decrease.
Governments in capitalist societies tend to generate more wealth, since more wealth is being produced. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to be stronger.
Capitalist societies usually do not have large black markets. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to have less crime.
Capitalist nations promote free trade allowing more nations to cooperatively work together for more economic liberty. This will likely mitigate disputes between nations.
Category: Economics
 
We are getting far off the topic so only one post on this.

Benefits of capitalism
Capitalism has many benefits compared to other economic forms.
In general, capitalism produces more wealth.
Capitalism actively rewards positive traits like hard work and ingenuity. Similarly, it punishes negative traits such as laziness and theft.
Capitalism is more compatible with democracy than other systems. In fact, there are few republics or democracies in the modern world that are not capitalistic.
Capitalism is more compatible with Christianity than other systems.
Free markets are the natural state of trade. Unlike socialism, which requires government interference, capitalism can develop naturally. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to have smaller governments.
Free markets can conduct certain functions that are normally handled by the government. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to be more efficient and free from government control.
The competition between markets and businesses will create more productivity in the work place, allowing the rate of technological innovation to increase. This will cause the society to advance while the costs of goods and services will decrease.
Governments in capitalist societies tend to generate more wealth, since more wealth is being produced. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to be stronger.
Capitalist societies usually do not have large black markets. Therefore, capitalist societies tend to have less crime.
Capitalist nations promote free trade allowing more nations to cooperatively work together for more economic liberty. This will likely mitigate disputes between nations.
Category: Economics

Capitalism leaves those that are mentally ill, sick of cancer, the elderly, children in need of a decent education, and anyone legitimately and genuinely in need of their fellow citizens support behind in the dust.

But, you already have us pegged for Socialists, so there is no use in trying to engage in a battle with someone so set in their ways ideologically.

Seeing as though your Capitalist former Premier resigned in disgrace, maybe you should just make the move to BC and jump on the Christy Clark bandwagon. Aside from the disruption of the move, you might feel right at home and you won't have to worry about possession limits if you move near to one of the Coastal hot spots.

You will have to contend with the Hippies though. They'll be the homeless ones living in a field next door to you not paying taxes because all the Capitalists only cared about themselves and nobody else.
 
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