When social media, or any kind of media, doesn't provide clarity, and/or contains contradictions, what is its value?Social media does not have to provide any of that.
When social media, or any kind of media, doesn't provide clarity, and/or contains contradictions, what is its value?Social media does not have to provide any of that.
When social media, or any kind of media, doesn't provide clarity, and/or contains contradictions, what is its value?
I don't doubt that seals and sea lions predate on salmonids, young and old, but that "blog" page needs improvement. It leaves me with a lot of questions that need answering, before I would consider supporting the "Public Fishery Alliance."
Firstly, why is the Public Fishery Alliance withholding the identity of its member(s)? Who are they, what are their credentials on this subject, and what are their goals? I need transparency, especially nowadays.
Secondly, that article needs to state references to its figures, charts, and quotes, so that readers can understand the various claims and opinions which have been made. A lot of the material in that article is vague and without context or named sources, especially the charts. It also mentions "a workshop 'Pinnipeds & Impacts on Salmon—Workshop Proceedings 2019' ”. What workshop was this? Got a link to it?
If readers could read the original references, or at least were told the sources of some of this information, they would gain a better understanding of the "Alliance's" message.
The article also needs to correct at least one apparent gross contradiction: That first chart, titled "Steelhead in Harbour Seal Diet in 2012 & 2013" indicates seals' consumption rates of steelhead smolts of between 0% and about 1.5%, yet just below that chart, it is claimed that 74% of smolts are eaten. The sources of that chart, and that 74% reference, are missing, so I'm left confused.
The explanation of stream-type and ocean-type chinook is informative.
But overall, in my opinion, I don't think much public support will be garnered from that article, as it's presently written.
I don't doubt that seals and sea lions predate on salmonids, young and old, but that "blog" page needs improvement. It leaves me with a lot of questions that need answering, before I would consider supporting the "Public Fishery Alliance."
Firstly, why is the Public Fishery Alliance withholding the identity of its member(s)? Who are they, what are their credentials on this subject, and what are their goals? I need transparency, especially nowadays.
Secondly, that article needs to state references to its figures, charts, and quotes, so that readers can understand the various claims and opinions which have been made. A lot of the material in that article is vague and without context or named sources, especially the charts. It also mentions "a workshop 'Pinnipeds & Impacts on Salmon—Workshop Proceedings 2019' ”. What workshop was this? Got a link to it?
If readers could read the original references, or at least were told the sources of some of this information, they would gain a better understanding of the "Alliance's" message.
The article also needs to correct at least one apparent gross contradiction: That first chart, titled "Steelhead in Harbour Seal Diet in 2012 & 2013" indicates seals' consumption rates of steelhead smolts of between 0% and about 1.5%, yet just below that chart, it is claimed that 74% of smolts are eaten. The sources of that chart, and that 74% reference, are missing, so I'm left confused.
The explanation of stream-type and ocean-type chinook is informative.
But overall, in my opinion, I don't think much public support will be garnered from that article, as it's presently written.
I believe Birdbrain was simply making suggestions to improve your overall message.
Imo, there are no solutions to dwindling upper Fraser chinooks and Thompson steelhead; too many fingers in the pie, too few spawners, and now another obstruction, to recover them. They are basically finished, the only question is how long we will try to protect them.
I believe Birdbrain was simply making suggestions to improve your overall message.
Imo, there are no solutions to dwindling upper Fraser chinooks and Thompson steelhead; too many fingers in the pie, too few spawners, and now another obstruction, to recover them. They are basically finished, the only question is how long we will try to protect them.
Thanks for reminding me of the limitations of social media. I'm not into that, except for a couple of fishing forums.I don't think you understand what social media is or a blog @Birdbrain ? I actually think the post shared references as to where some of the information was gathered for a social media post, which not many do. A Blog or Social Media post is a chance to share an opinion or ideas to create some dialogue. Ideas were put forward in the Blog post about pinnipeds being one of several challenging issues facing Fraser River Chinook and Steelhead stocks. It was also to draw attention to an issue that needs to be looked at and at this point has had little action on. It pointed out that they're several possible steps to address predation on salmon and steelhead smolts that could be taken not just one solution.
What do you propose as solutions @Birdbrain ? It easy to sit back and be an armchair quarterback!
... As for solutions to pinniped-salmonid issues, I think it would be most effective if there was a single, cooperative task force comprised of the most knowledgeable people, such as scientists, First Nations, anglers, and commercial fishers...
As for solutions to pinniped-salmonid issues, I think it would be most effective if there was a single, cooperative task force comprised of the most knowledgeable people, such as scientists, First Nations, anglers, and commercial fishers.
Thanks, WMY. I wasn't sure if I wanted to go down this rabbit-hole or not, neither. Besides the numerous, confirmed strong anecdotal 1st hand observations - here's some additional published articles to consider:its already scientifically established that seals/sea lions eat the most salmon by piece and killer whales eat the most by weight.
The % that humans are catching is going down while the % that killer whales and seal are harvesting is going up.
If you wish to inform yourself there is countless studies like this out there
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14984-8
@Birdbrain To answer your question on most social media platforms, including this forum, when you put a @ in front of the persons name or forum name it notifies them of the post.Thanks for reminding me of the limitations of social media. I'm not into that, except for a couple of fishing forums.
I'm also from a science background, so the more accurate and verifiable info, the better for me. But just generally speaking, I think we all know that the ecology of our oceans has been negatively impacted by us humans, in many ways. We just have to be careful when we're looking into possible fixes, that we look at the big picture, and try to consider as much of the complexity of nature as possible.
As for solutions to pinniped-salmonid issues, I think it would be most effective if there was a single, cooperative task force comprised of the most knowledgeable people, such as scientists, First Nations, anglers, and commercial fishers.
By the way, how come you put an "@" in front of my name?