Oh Yeah, forgot to mention about that other hook flapping around,thats one of the reasons I went to the single hook,same thing that happened to Backatit happened to my brother 30 odd years ago,I thought it was pretty funny at the time,man it was a high pitched scream,what was even funnier was he was in the bottom of the boat facing away from me on his knees, bent over,with this 10 lb coho 's tail sticking out at the base of his butt, between his legs, flapping at a hundred miles an hour.Hmmm.I guess thats one of the reasons he retired from fishing with me.One of those bonding moments.DAN