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gallows
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It's a problem. DFO are controlled by the political party in power but political parties change, but unfortunately, the civil servants (the ones who advise the politicians and are unelected), are still there and it is these morons who destroyed the (grand banks) east coast cod fishery and who are slowly destroying the west coast wild salmon stocks. Until these people are replaced nothing will ever change. Personally, I'm voting NDP. Catherine Bell fought the Conservative fisheries Bill C-49 which is the first step to privatising our Canadian right to fish.
Suggestion: You contact your local MLA or the party leaders and ask them for their priority list and where on this the west coast salmon stand. As more people bring this up as more likely it will go on their campagne agenda. Which doesn't mean they will actually stick to their promises once they are elected but hope is better than nothing...
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
I personally can't wait to see a Harper majority...with Hearn no longer at the helm of fisheries after this election since he is retiring...I like to think it will bbe taken in a new direction. But to be fair none of the parties are all that strong on fisheries in my opinion...and I go to university here in Ottawa and regularily go to the House of Commons...not once have i seen catherine bell speak...plus I volunteered for an NDP MP (I didn't get to choose what party I did this for) working on bills and what not with him...I brought up how Bell was my MP...he didn't have much good to say about her...or rather not much at all to say...indicating to me that even her own party recognizes her inability to push to the forefront.
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Cuba Libre
Well-Known Member
Hey Dave-- something to think about. John Duncan, the PC candidate for the North Island, worked as a senior DFO policy advisor to Hearn after he lost his seat to Bell the last time. He was in the middle of the debacle that resulted in the rec fishery being "allowed" only 12% of the halibut Canadian quota. He is also on record as being in favour of expanding the quota system for many species, with no guarantee that the rec fishery will not be harmed. Further, he has said that he thinks the annual bag limit for chinooks for sportsfishing is too large.
He is not getting my vote.
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
He is not getting my vote.
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
Well...30 Chinooks a season? That is larger than any of us need I'd say. Cut that down by 2/3's to 20 and I don't think many would complain. However, I'm not just basing my vote on fisheries...although it is important to me...tax breaks for small businesses, economy, gun registry, (the "green shift"...what a joke!!), etc etc. I completely respect everyone's views on it and respect the fact you are voting in general...those who don't vote can't complain. What is best for a better Canada as a whole? I'm sure you already know what I think it is. To say Catherine Bell would give north islanders a bigger voice in the house of commons would definitely be one of the silliest things to say...ever! Like I said seen it first hand and know her reputation on parliament. Funny that last election when the north island finally has a chance to have a cabinet minister...we elect an MP that does nothing for us...let's hope we can switch that around a bit. I know I'll be out campaigning for a Harper gov't here in Ottawa (plus we get free crap when we do that 
) lol
Best Wishes guys!
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) lol Best Wishes guys!
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Well took some advice and wrote to all parties involved to ask their policies. So far only one has replied and here it is:
Green Party Information Centre
Centre d'information du Parti Vert
1-866-868-3447
Vote for Tomorrow
15. Fisheries
Canada's most conspicuous environmental and economic tragedy has been the collapse of our wild fisheries. We thought that the sea would give us unlimited fish forever. That erroneous belief led to the 1990s collapse of the Atlantic cod fishery after decades of year-round over-fishing by domestic and foreign fleets of large trawlers. This ecological disaster, the result of federal government mismanagement, resulted in the loss of 30,000 jobs. During the same period (1990 to 2002), British Columbia's salmon catch fell by 66 percent from 96,000 to 33,000 tonnes ($263.4 million to $51.6 million).
Over the last few decades, the fishing industry has installed large, powerful gear on ships equipped with sophisticated navigation and fish-finding technology. This has caused serious depletion of cod, haddock, bluefin tuna and other species, leading to the collapse of local economies and loss of important biodiversity from coast to coast to coast. To save our gravely depleted fish stocks, something must go: either the high-yield fishing technology or the majority of the licenses to fish.
To make a dire situation worse, fisheries face other serious problems besides over-fishing: habitat destruction and a lack of scientific knowledge of the status of marine resources and the role of oceanic food chains. Federal government policies allow the over-fishing of critical food chain species such as Pacific coast herring, ground fish and Atlantic coast capelin. Current laws do not adequately protect marine habitat from a range of destructive forces, including the devastating practice of bottom-trawling, bioaccumulation of toxic chemicals that flow into the sea from various land practices and spillage from oil and gas exploration. The coming years will see new threats to fisheries from ocean changes caused by climate change.
Our Vision
The harvesting capacity of our fishing fleets has far outdistanced our fisheries regulations, management skills and the ability of fish populations to recover. But we believe that Canada can restore its wild fish populations and protect Canadian fishermen with strict regulations governing gear types, fishing practices and catch limits.
All evidence points to the need to ban bottom-dragging. Yet the only instance of the current Conservative government differing from that of US President George W. Bush is its refusal to support international efforts to ban bottom trawling. Because fish cross international boundaries, we must lead efforts for a global ban on harmful open ocean fishing practices as part of a renewed commitment to fisheries management. This requires reforming the federal government's administrative and research priorities.
To protect precious fish habitat, we must also place a permanent legislated moratorium on oil and gas exploration and development in ecologically sensitive areas, particularly the west coast of British Columbia and the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Fishermen must be allowed to have a greater role in managing fisheries through co-management provisions yet to be activated through the Oceans Act. We oppose the current approach that favours fish farms and presumes that aquaculture can make up for dwindling wild stocks.
Green Solutions
Green Party MPs will work to:
• Sign and ratify the global treaty to ban bottom trawling.
• Strengthen the Fisheries Act to:
a. Require evaluation of threats to fish stocks and include provisions to protect fish stocks and the marine environment;
b. Make protection of critical stocks and habitat mandatory;
c. Require that the management and conservation of wild fisheries take precedence over aquaculture, wherever there are conflicts;
d. Increase penalties for contravening the Act; and,
e. Improve public participation in decision-making, under the principles of the Oceans Act, in particular engaging coastal communities in local fisheries management.
• Restructure the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and legislate to protect habitats against over-fishing and pollution.
• Give funding priority to small-scale projects to restore and enhance wild fish stocks, especially with aboriginal peoples and traditional fishing communities using traditional technologies.
• Enforce sustainable harvesting technologies such as long lines, cod traps or significantly modified mobile gear and monitor results to ensure the return of healthy stocks and biodiversity.
• Shift from intervention fisheries management practices to terminal fisheries.
• Ban bottom-dragging in domestic waters.
• Appraise and support development of different kinds of fishing gear that makes a profit while minimizing by-catch and habitat impact.
• Support development of more sustainable ways of harvesting marine resources, including value-added processing and developing environmentally friendly biochemical and pharmaceutical products.
• Support research and development of ecotourism as a non-consumptive use of marine biodiversity.
• Provide funding support to ecological research to discover what factors have enabled natural marine ecosystems to work so well in the past with the objective of restoring degraded systems.
• Establish an Independent Review Commission made up of marine biologists, ecologists and resource economists to investigate (with input from fishers, fishing communities and indigenous peoples) the causes of the enormous decline in Canada's fisheries resources and recommend policies and programs to restore offshore and inshore fisheries.
• Repeal the Canada Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Act and the Canada Newfoundland Offshore Petroleum Act and adjust regional agreements to give fisheries greater protection from petroleum exploration and development.
• Extend permanent bans on oil and gas exploration and development in ecologically sensitive areas, particularly the coast of British Columbia and the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
• Encourage a greater role for fishermen and aboriginal peoples in managing fisheries through co-management provisions in the Oceans Act.
• Work with provincial governments to eliminate aquaculture practices that damage the marine environment and human health and seek:
• A moratorium on new open-ocean net-pen salmon farms and a phase-out of existing farms within 10 years; and,
• In the meantime, the fallowing of sea pens during wild-hatch salmon runs.
Green Party Information Centre
Centre d'information du Parti Vert
1-866-868-3447
Vote for Tomorrow
15. Fisheries
Canada's most conspicuous environmental and economic tragedy has been the collapse of our wild fisheries. We thought that the sea would give us unlimited fish forever. That erroneous belief led to the 1990s collapse of the Atlantic cod fishery after decades of year-round over-fishing by domestic and foreign fleets of large trawlers. This ecological disaster, the result of federal government mismanagement, resulted in the loss of 30,000 jobs. During the same period (1990 to 2002), British Columbia's salmon catch fell by 66 percent from 96,000 to 33,000 tonnes ($263.4 million to $51.6 million).
Over the last few decades, the fishing industry has installed large, powerful gear on ships equipped with sophisticated navigation and fish-finding technology. This has caused serious depletion of cod, haddock, bluefin tuna and other species, leading to the collapse of local economies and loss of important biodiversity from coast to coast to coast. To save our gravely depleted fish stocks, something must go: either the high-yield fishing technology or the majority of the licenses to fish.
To make a dire situation worse, fisheries face other serious problems besides over-fishing: habitat destruction and a lack of scientific knowledge of the status of marine resources and the role of oceanic food chains. Federal government policies allow the over-fishing of critical food chain species such as Pacific coast herring, ground fish and Atlantic coast capelin. Current laws do not adequately protect marine habitat from a range of destructive forces, including the devastating practice of bottom-trawling, bioaccumulation of toxic chemicals that flow into the sea from various land practices and spillage from oil and gas exploration. The coming years will see new threats to fisheries from ocean changes caused by climate change.
Our Vision
The harvesting capacity of our fishing fleets has far outdistanced our fisheries regulations, management skills and the ability of fish populations to recover. But we believe that Canada can restore its wild fish populations and protect Canadian fishermen with strict regulations governing gear types, fishing practices and catch limits.
All evidence points to the need to ban bottom-dragging. Yet the only instance of the current Conservative government differing from that of US President George W. Bush is its refusal to support international efforts to ban bottom trawling. Because fish cross international boundaries, we must lead efforts for a global ban on harmful open ocean fishing practices as part of a renewed commitment to fisheries management. This requires reforming the federal government's administrative and research priorities.
To protect precious fish habitat, we must also place a permanent legislated moratorium on oil and gas exploration and development in ecologically sensitive areas, particularly the west coast of British Columbia and the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Fishermen must be allowed to have a greater role in managing fisheries through co-management provisions yet to be activated through the Oceans Act. We oppose the current approach that favours fish farms and presumes that aquaculture can make up for dwindling wild stocks.
Green Solutions
Green Party MPs will work to:
• Sign and ratify the global treaty to ban bottom trawling.
• Strengthen the Fisheries Act to:
a. Require evaluation of threats to fish stocks and include provisions to protect fish stocks and the marine environment;
b. Make protection of critical stocks and habitat mandatory;
c. Require that the management and conservation of wild fisheries take precedence over aquaculture, wherever there are conflicts;
d. Increase penalties for contravening the Act; and,
e. Improve public participation in decision-making, under the principles of the Oceans Act, in particular engaging coastal communities in local fisheries management.
• Restructure the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and legislate to protect habitats against over-fishing and pollution.
• Give funding priority to small-scale projects to restore and enhance wild fish stocks, especially with aboriginal peoples and traditional fishing communities using traditional technologies.
• Enforce sustainable harvesting technologies such as long lines, cod traps or significantly modified mobile gear and monitor results to ensure the return of healthy stocks and biodiversity.
• Shift from intervention fisheries management practices to terminal fisheries.
• Ban bottom-dragging in domestic waters.
• Appraise and support development of different kinds of fishing gear that makes a profit while minimizing by-catch and habitat impact.
• Support development of more sustainable ways of harvesting marine resources, including value-added processing and developing environmentally friendly biochemical and pharmaceutical products.
• Support research and development of ecotourism as a non-consumptive use of marine biodiversity.
• Provide funding support to ecological research to discover what factors have enabled natural marine ecosystems to work so well in the past with the objective of restoring degraded systems.
• Establish an Independent Review Commission made up of marine biologists, ecologists and resource economists to investigate (with input from fishers, fishing communities and indigenous peoples) the causes of the enormous decline in Canada's fisheries resources and recommend policies and programs to restore offshore and inshore fisheries.
• Repeal the Canada Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Act and the Canada Newfoundland Offshore Petroleum Act and adjust regional agreements to give fisheries greater protection from petroleum exploration and development.
• Extend permanent bans on oil and gas exploration and development in ecologically sensitive areas, particularly the coast of British Columbia and the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
• Encourage a greater role for fishermen and aboriginal peoples in managing fisheries through co-management provisions in the Oceans Act.
• Work with provincial governments to eliminate aquaculture practices that damage the marine environment and human health and seek:
• A moratorium on new open-ocean net-pen salmon farms and a phase-out of existing farms within 10 years; and,
• In the meantime, the fallowing of sea pens during wild-hatch salmon runs.
Cuba Libre
Well-Known Member
I hear you Dave about not making a decision based on a single issue. But all of us anglers HAVE to take a stand and let the PCs know that there is a price they will pay if they keep giving away our fish to a select few, just so it is easier for "management" purposes.
It appears that the Conservatives are in deep trouble in Newfieland... maybe if they get the feeling that they might lose a few seats in BC because they are screwing up a resource that many of us feel strongly , it might smarten them up.
I expected things to change for the better when the Liberals were kicked out... but for our fisheries-- its gotten worse.
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
It appears that the Conservatives are in deep trouble in Newfieland... maybe if they get the feeling that they might lose a few seats in BC because they are screwing up a resource that many of us feel strongly , it might smarten them up.
I expected things to change for the better when the Liberals were kicked out... but for our fisheries-- its gotten worse.
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
Little Hawk
Active Member
Howdy,
Endorsing the Liberals means you support the net-pen fish-farmers and Campbell's Private-Power River's project here in BC. These two issues alone stand to drive the final nail in our Pacific Salmon's coffin.
If one takes the time to see exactly what the Provincial Liberals are up to with their blatant disregard for our wild fish, you will shudder in fear - and VOTE COMMUNIST!
Standing for Wild Salmon,
Terry Anderson
Endorsing the Liberals means you support the net-pen fish-farmers and Campbell's Private-Power River's project here in BC. These two issues alone stand to drive the final nail in our Pacific Salmon's coffin.
If one takes the time to see exactly what the Provincial Liberals are up to with their blatant disregard for our wild fish, you will shudder in fear - and VOTE COMMUNIST!
Standing for Wild Salmon,
Terry Anderson
Cuba Libre
Well-Known Member
I hear you Comrade!![8D] But I think that this thread is directed towards the FEDERAL election---- now perhaps we should include the PC support of fishfarms in this thread.. another reason why I will not vote for bas%$#ds.
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
20ft Alumaweld Intruder
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
It's actually no longer the PC party...just Conservative party of Canada. Looking at Dion's announcements as well as Captain jack...if you would like a recession...then red or orange is your color. Plus the fact that the "green shift" is not revenue neutral as dion woul dlike to claim...but $6Billion in the hole for the taxpayers...
By no means am i saying the Conservatives are best for the fisheries...but when you look at Canada as a whole...they most definitely are.
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By no means am i saying the Conservatives are best for the fisheries...but when you look at Canada as a whole...they most definitely are.
www.serengetifishingcharters.com
Now Terry I know facts have little to do with your rants and we all pine for those halcyon days of milqtoast socialism (fast ferries anyone?). In case you forgot (which you seem to do with most facts that do not suite your agenda) net pen aquaculture saw it largest growth under Glen Clarke whom I believe was a card carrying NDP. We all remember how much good they did for our wild salmon. Lest you forgot.
I had the feeling when I asked the original question that this posting would go off topic quickly. If you guys want to debate the political parties please start a new topic.
I still have only heard from the Green Party about their fisheries policies. Has anyone heard from the Fed NDP party? I guess I already know how the conservatives and the liberals handle the fisheries.
Someone has already said you shouldn't pick a political party for one policy but I happen to like fishing, alot.And my upcoming retirement was centered a lot around fishing and I'm going to be more than a little pissed if there is no more wild salmon or sportfishing. I don't really care if immigration increases or trade with China decreases or single moms get a daycare break. I am going to vote for the party who going to help me fish and if its the Green Party so be it.
I still have only heard from the Green Party about their fisheries policies. Has anyone heard from the Fed NDP party? I guess I already know how the conservatives and the liberals handle the fisheries.
Someone has already said you shouldn't pick a political party for one policy but I happen to like fishing, alot.And my upcoming retirement was centered a lot around fishing and I'm going to be more than a little pissed if there is no more wild salmon or sportfishing. I don't really care if immigration increases or trade with China decreases or single moms get a daycare break. I am going to vote for the party who going to help me fish and if its the Green Party so be it.
scott craven
Well-Known Member
I don't really care if immigration increases or trade with China decreases or single moms get a daycare break. I am going to vote for the party who going to help me fish and if its the Green Party so be it.
Gronk, unfortunately those issues are much more important to the average Canadian.
We are a relatively small group, and while i agree with you,
our voice will not carry as far.
Besides, they all make empty promises to get in power.
Sounds cynical, but i've been around long enough to know it's true.
Gronk, unfortunately those issues are much more important to the average Canadian.
We are a relatively small group, and while i agree with you,
our voice will not carry as far.
Besides, they all make empty promises to get in power.
Sounds cynical, but i've been around long enough to know it's true.
Hey guys, saw the CBC News last night when Jack Layton was interviewed at Your Turn. The other party leaders will follow in the days to come. There is your chance to email your concerns and questions to the party leaders and hear how far up on their priority list our salmon are. Of course, as rs craven said, they will lie until it comes out of their ears but at least at this moment they will realize that this is a burning concern of some Canadians and maybe they will pay a little more attention - a little is better than nothing...And if you tape it, you have a proof of what they promised to the public....
gallows
Member
If I were a greedy millionaire, who didn't give a toss about the environment or our Pacific wild salmon, then I would vote Conservative. But because I care about our wild salmon and my Canadian right to fish in these west coast waters and don't want our fisheries privatised and sold off to the highest bidder, a resource which incidentally doesn't actually belong to any political party, politicians are just custodians with a duty to protect this wonderful resource for future generations of Canadians. I will do everything in my power to keep the Conservatives from forming a majority.
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
Well...create some magic "become a leader, and not useless" pills for Stephane Dion...that is about one of the only ways you will be able to stop it. hahaha [8D]
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The Fish Site, 6th October 2008
Canadian Conservatives Commit to Sea Farming
QUEBEC, CANADA - The Canadian Conservative Party has promised that if t is re-elected it will commit $7 million to developing the sea farming industry over the next three years.
The Honourable Christian Paradis, Conservative Party candidate in Mégantic-L’Érable was accompanied on this occasion by Mr. Darryl Gray, the Conservative candidate in Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine.
The Conservative Part say that this investment will leverage the economic development of Quebec’s coastal regions, which are currently facing a decline in fishing activity. Part of this investment will also contribute to innovation.
“Sea farming and aquaculture could create viable, year-round employment for over 47,000 people in coastal, rural and Aboriginal communities. The Conservative Party wants to ensure that Quebec’s regions will be able to make the most of this opportunity by giving them the boost they need,” indicated Minister Paradis.
“The only jobs Bloc MPs have created in their 18 years in Ottawa are their own! Unlike the Bloc, Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party has a plan to enable Quebec’s regions to fully develop their potential. What’s more, the Conservatives will have the power to keep their commitment to invest these millions of dollars in sea farming development in Gaspésie, Îles-de-la-Madeleine and Côte-Nord,” said Mr. Gray.
TheFishSite News Desk
http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/8048/canadian-conservatives-commit-to-sea-farming
[Same story via Growfish: http://www.growfish.com.au/content.asp?contentid=12197]
Canadian Conservatives Commit to Sea Farming
QUEBEC, CANADA - The Canadian Conservative Party has promised that if t is re-elected it will commit $7 million to developing the sea farming industry over the next three years.
The Honourable Christian Paradis, Conservative Party candidate in Mégantic-L’Érable was accompanied on this occasion by Mr. Darryl Gray, the Conservative candidate in Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine.
The Conservative Part say that this investment will leverage the economic development of Quebec’s coastal regions, which are currently facing a decline in fishing activity. Part of this investment will also contribute to innovation.
“Sea farming and aquaculture could create viable, year-round employment for over 47,000 people in coastal, rural and Aboriginal communities. The Conservative Party wants to ensure that Quebec’s regions will be able to make the most of this opportunity by giving them the boost they need,” indicated Minister Paradis.
“The only jobs Bloc MPs have created in their 18 years in Ottawa are their own! Unlike the Bloc, Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party has a plan to enable Quebec’s regions to fully develop their potential. What’s more, the Conservatives will have the power to keep their commitment to invest these millions of dollars in sea farming development in Gaspésie, Îles-de-la-Madeleine and Côte-Nord,” said Mr. Gray.
TheFishSite News Desk
http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/8048/canadian-conservatives-commit-to-sea-farming
[Same story via Growfish: http://www.growfish.com.au/content.asp?contentid=12197]
Yes lets all vote Liberal so we can have more billion dollar boondoggles like the Gun Registry and the Job Works program. Not to mention a party that is mired in corruption. Or better yet vote NDP. Salmon farms will be gone in a year but then again so will every other job in Canada so it won't really matter. We can all sit around and say "this is much better" while the only sector that will have grown will be the gov't payroll.
