Chinook fishery to close ???
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Charlie
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Charlie,
Do you know when this talk by Miller took place? Who organised it? Where was it advertised? Is she speaking anywhere else? The face book page this presentation is on give no information at all.......this has appeared out of nowhere.....
I found out short notice (didn’t see it until late Friday night), or would have plastered it all over the place:
'How do we recognize dead fish swimming?'
Geneticist at Streamkeepers AGM
Oceanside Star
Published: Thursday, March 29, 2012
The community is invited to attend the Qualicum Beach Streamkeepers Society annual general meeting this Saturday, March 31.
The guest speaker is Dr. Kristi Miller, head of the Molecular Genetics Laboratory at Pacific Biological Station in Nanaimo.
She has recently testified at the Cohen Commission Inquiry into the decline of sockeye salmon in the Fraser River
The AGM will be held at St. Stephen's United Church Hall at 150 Village Way in Qualicum Beach. Doors open at 9: 30 a.m., with the program commencing at 10 a.m.
Questions may be directed to Peter Drummond at 250-752-3337, or check the website at
http://www.qbstreamkeepers.ca/calendar_events.html.
http://www2.canada.com/oceansidesta....html?id=991ed44b-9d77-440f-86a5-63d8d6159c50
If ANYONE believes ISAv won’t kill off ALL of your wild salmon, you are WRONG (don't have to look any further than Norway and eastern Canada)! I assure, if one really does the research they will find, while the Fraser habitat is not the best - right NOW, it is survivable for ALL salmon stocks, except for one small little thing called VIRUS! IMHO, There are actually THREE very serious diseases "fish farms" are spreading back and forth - ISAv is the most serious. ISAv can, will, and "IS" - KILLING your Fraser salmon! Plus, Canada (Harper & DFO) knows it and aren’t doing anything to stop it! It really is up to British Columbians, and you need to do something pretty soon, or your kids WILL NOT be fishing for ANY Chinook, Coho, or Sockeye salmon! Well that is, unless you take them to one of those damn “fish farms”!
Picture this… Dr. Kristi Miller (who works for DFO) was told NOT allowed to discuss her findings regarding her studies on disease with anyone outside DFO. She was instructed NOT to have any public contact, or discuss and use the term ISA. Can’t talk about or mention “fish farms”! She then walks into the Cohen Commission, escorted by two armed guards. (dah) Listens to testimony given by others, then goes back and re-tests her samples for… ready, ISA! Then the Cohen Commission is recalled to hear evidence on… ready, ISA. When Dr. Miller is recalled (READ HER TESTIMONY) she testified, when she re-tested those samples for ISA, ready… SHE FOUND IT! Let’s see, now her funding has been cut off (by DFO). She is NOT allowed (by DFO) to discuss her findings on ISA. And the “fish farms” won’t let her test their fish… DENIED (as in DENIED) NO access to test any “fish farms” for ISA – PERIOD! Furthermore, the government of Canada refuses and will NOT provide the U.S. any of their samples (they are “degraded”). Nor will Canada now allow “independent” labs to test for ISA.
Let me save some time:
Results
ISA virus testing in BC
The ISA virus positive tests in salmon from British Columbia
1. Two Rivers Inlet sockeye smolts Oct. 2011, test by the OIE reference lab for ISA virus
BC SOCKEYE SMOLTS_VT10042001_OCTOBER 12 2011 copy
2. Three out of eleven salmon tested in from the lower Fraser River system same lab as above
Samples (SOCKEYE CHINOOK and COHO)_VT10142001_OCTOBER20 2011
3. 115 ISAv positives reported in 2004 draft DFO paper released by the Cohen Commission
Cohen Commission Exhibit #2045
4. One positive result by the DFO reference lab in Moncton NB on the sockeye smolts above, released by the Cohen Commission
Gagne ISA results Exh 2043
5. Dr. Kristi Miller of the Pacific Biological Station, DFO reports ISAv positives in Clayoquot Sound farm salmon 2011(select “application excel” to open these files)
ISA Clayoquot Exh 2053
6. Dr. Miller reports ISAv positives for many BC wild salmon collected in 1986
ISA 1986 Exh 2054
7. Dr. Miller reports ISAv positives for several Fraser River stocks 2007-2009
ISA MILLER many Sockeye Exh 2060
8. Dr. Miller reports ISAv in several Fraser River stocks 2007 – 2011
ISA Miller sockeye Exh 2061
For more details of the sampling, click on the map
Each data point represents the results of samples tested from a specific location. Click on the data points to get specific information from the sampling event including the date, pathogen(s) detected in which species of fish at specific life-stages, the number and percentage of the samples with positive pathogen results, the tissues sampled, and the percentage of fish sampled with pre-spawn mortality.
http://deptwildsalmon.org/results/
Yep, I am quite convinced there is no ISA in British Columbia – and, guess I can only add one comment to that… “Harper” do you really believe WE are that STUPID!
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GLG
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So how did we get to this point.
Here is a link on DFO website that has some of the history and scientific data on these Fraser Chinook
It's a dry read but there is one or two gaps in the report.
IMHO the gaps are the effect of disease and poaching.
Fix those two and the wild fish would come back.
If you want a harvest fishery then an enhancement facilities should be restarted.
Closing them down seems to be a mistake when the idea is to harvest them for all sectors.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/2011FrasRvrChkInformDoc.pdf
Here is a link on DFO website that has some of the history and scientific data on these Fraser Chinook
It's a dry read but there is one or two gaps in the report.
IMHO the gaps are the effect of disease and poaching.
Fix those two and the wild fish would come back.
If you want a harvest fishery then an enhancement facilities should be restarted.
Closing them down seems to be a mistake when the idea is to harvest them for all sectors.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/2011FrasRvrChkInformDoc.pdf
GLG
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IMHO Dr Miller can only tell us what fish are sick and what the cause (virus) is.
Her work does not lead to any drug you can give the fish, if that were even possible.
DFO has been spending money on research on cures for most disease.
The result have been feed to Salmon Feed lots to control their problems.
Success has been somewhat optimistic for some viruses and bacteria but ISA is not one of them.
One thing to note is when you have a fish with a unknown virus they often die from another disease.
They then get written up as being killed by the secondary disease.
So the root cause is hidden from sight.
This is where Dr Miller's work can sheed light on the problem.
GLG
Her work does not lead to any drug you can give the fish, if that were even possible.
DFO has been spending money on research on cures for most disease.
The result have been feed to Salmon Feed lots to control their problems.
Success has been somewhat optimistic for some viruses and bacteria but ISA is not one of them.
One thing to note is when you have a fish with a unknown virus they often die from another disease.
They then get written up as being killed by the secondary disease.
So the root cause is hidden from sight.
This is where Dr Miller's work can sheed light on the problem.
GLG
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Foxsea
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Charlie: Thanks for all your work in researching and compiling this information.
This is tough information to digest and if I'm interpreting it correctly, it's downright terrifying. When ISA is showing up this widely dispersed and frequently, if it was present in the human population we would be using words like "pandemic". The 17% show in Atlantic salmon is presumably even after diseases have been drugged into submission.
The Harper government has the sinister yet obvious agenda of supporting callous commercial objectives, while all other considerations, including the electorate be damned. He's as close as you'd ever get to a mini Dubya, only less competent and genial.
The tragedy we are living through is that he is not representative; he was elected by a minority of Canadians - a sizable segment of our population didn't bother to vote. One of your countrymen observed that we get the government we deserve.Thanks again for your work and concern - you're a good neighbour!
Foxsea
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We have a smart leader - Alexandra Morton has been a tireless advocate for wild salmon and their well-being for many years. She says she is delighted to continue her work of advocacy and research but she needs our support.
Here's a challenge - we all agree more needs to be done. Let's get behind it with letter writing
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMt9oFkYx8g) and our money. I donated $100.00 tonight to PCWSS - who's next? ... to the Salmon Society of your choice? Let's keep track to have a total raised for the month of April and a message to provide the media - sportfishermen care about salmon and here's the proof!
Whole in the Water
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Great idea Foxsea. I'm in!
Charlie
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If you noticed, that Youtube link posted was in 2009! Since, then there has been so much information come out linking "fish farms" to the decline of BC wild salmon - there isn't much doubt any more. Also, please note those last comments. The government of Canada DID indeed LIE and they are still NOT telling the people of British Columbia... THOSE FISH FARMS "ARE" KILLING YOUR SALMON!!
One wants to continue to fish for any "wild salmon", everyone needs to get the message out (to all citizens in British Columbia) to get those "open net pens" out of your waters, while you still have "wild" salmon to fish.
Alex Morton IS an EXCELLENT choice to support... Fast forward to 2012:
For Immediate Release, February 7, 2012
Contact: Jeff Miller, Center for Biological Diversity, (415) 669-7357
Alexandra Morton, Pacific Coast Wild Salmon Society, (250) 974-7086
Chief Bob Chamberlin, Kwikwasu'tinuxw Haxwa'mis First Nation, (250) 974-8282
Zeke Grader, Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations, (415) 561-5080 x 224
Petition Seeks International Investigation of Canada's Farmed Fish Operations, Protections for Wild Salmon
NAFTA Panel Asked to Investigate Canadian Violation of Wildlife Law
Pursuant to Articles 5(1) and 14 of the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation, the Center for Biological Diversity, Pacific Coast Wild Salmon Society, Kwikwasu'tinuxw Haxwa'mis First Nation and Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations (petitioners) submit the following petition to the Secretariat of the Commission for Environmental Cooperation, asserting that Canada is violating and failing to effectively enforce the Canadian Fisheries Act (R.S.C. 1985 c. F-14), contrary to its obligations under the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation. The petitioners seek a finding that Canada is violating and failing to effectively enforce the Fisheries Act by allowing salmon feedlots to degrade wild salmon habitat and erode the capacity of the British Columbia ecosystem to support wild salmon.
Despite mounting evidence of harm to British Columbia’s wild salmon runs and severe threats to wild salmon in Canada and the United States, Canada has permitted more than 100 commercial salmon feedlots to operate in the narrow migration routes used by wild salmon of British Columbia and the United States, including the Fraser River, exposing wild salmon to amplified levels of parasites such as sea lice, viral and bacterial diseases, toxic chemicals and concentrated waste. Canada’s apparent violations of its own Fisheries Act are allowing commercial salmon feedlots to erode the capacity of the British Columbia ecosystem to support wild salmon. The potential for British Columbia salmon feedlots to introduce, amplify and spread pathogens also jeopardizes the health of every other wild salmon run along the Pacific Coast, as well as the entire West Coast salmon fishing industry, because these stocks co-mingle.
This petition describes the natural life cycle of wild salmon, the biology of naturally occurring sea lice, declines in wild salmon populations, and the best scientific knowledge about the threats and impacts of parasites and disease from salmon feedlots. It also chronicles public reaction to the crisis and attempts to address the problem. The petition provides background on the impacts of fish feedlots in British Columbia on wild salmon and the intensifying threats of disease and parasites caused by inappropriately sited aquaculture. Finally, it outlines the failure of Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the provincial British Columbia government to act in accordance with Canadian law to protect wild salmon populations, and details how these government entities are actually promoting expansion of harmful salmon feedlots. The need for immediate action is even more urgent with the recent discovery of the deadly salmon virus, Infectious Salmon Anemia, in wild Pacific salmon for the first time.
This is a formal petition filed under the Citizen Submission on Enforcement Matters process of the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC). When a country that is a party to the North American Trade Agreement fails to enforce one of its own environmental laws, a party may petition the NAAEC Secretariat to develop a factual record on the matter. Canada’s Fisheries Act prohibits the harmful alteration, disruption or destruction of fish habitat (Section 35) and the addition of deleterious substances to fish habitat (Section 36). This petition details the failure of the Canadian government to enforce these sections of the Fisheries Act by allowing salmon feedlots to plague wild salmon habitat with amplified levels of parasites, potentially devastating diseases and harmful toxins.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2012/fish-farms-02-07-2012.html
FISH farms
Industrial salmon farms in British Columbia currently consist of open net-cage salmon pens anchored in the mouths of important wild salmon rivers. In fact, Canada is allowing more than 100 of these salmon feedlots to operate in primary wild salmon migration routes in the province. This exposes ecologically and economically valuable wild salmon runs to epidemics of disease, amplified levels of parasites, toxic chemicals, escaped invasive fish and concentrated farm waste. And there’s proof: The proliferation of salmon feedlots has been linked to dramatic declines in British Columbia’s wild salmon populations — plus the detection of a lethal salmon virus. The potential for epidemic diseases jeopardizes the health of every wild salmon run along the entire Pacific Coast, since the coast’s fish stocks comingle in the ocean and estuaries.
To help protect wild salmon runs, the Center has organized an international coalition to challenge Canada’s disastrous salmon aquaculture policies. In 2012, conservation, fishing and native groups in Canada and the United States filed a formal petition under a NAFTA environmental side-agreement requesting an international investigation into Canada’s violation of its Fisheries Act in failing to protect wild salmon from disease and parasites spread by industrial fish feedlots. Our coalition seeks international action to close harmful marine feedlots and force Canada to relocate salmon aquaculture into contained tanks on land, allowing for the restoration of wild salmon runs and a healthy salmon fishery.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/fish_farms/index.html
One wants to continue to fish for any "wild salmon", everyone needs to get the message out (to all citizens in British Columbia) to get those "open net pens" out of your waters, while you still have "wild" salmon to fish.
Alex Morton IS an EXCELLENT choice to support... Fast forward to 2012:
For Immediate Release, February 7, 2012
Contact: Jeff Miller, Center for Biological Diversity, (415) 669-7357
Alexandra Morton, Pacific Coast Wild Salmon Society, (250) 974-7086
Chief Bob Chamberlin, Kwikwasu'tinuxw Haxwa'mis First Nation, (250) 974-8282
Zeke Grader, Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations, (415) 561-5080 x 224
Petition Seeks International Investigation of Canada's Farmed Fish Operations, Protections for Wild Salmon
NAFTA Panel Asked to Investigate Canadian Violation of Wildlife Law
Pursuant to Articles 5(1) and 14 of the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation, the Center for Biological Diversity, Pacific Coast Wild Salmon Society, Kwikwasu'tinuxw Haxwa'mis First Nation and Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations (petitioners) submit the following petition to the Secretariat of the Commission for Environmental Cooperation, asserting that Canada is violating and failing to effectively enforce the Canadian Fisheries Act (R.S.C. 1985 c. F-14), contrary to its obligations under the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation. The petitioners seek a finding that Canada is violating and failing to effectively enforce the Fisheries Act by allowing salmon feedlots to degrade wild salmon habitat and erode the capacity of the British Columbia ecosystem to support wild salmon.
Despite mounting evidence of harm to British Columbia’s wild salmon runs and severe threats to wild salmon in Canada and the United States, Canada has permitted more than 100 commercial salmon feedlots to operate in the narrow migration routes used by wild salmon of British Columbia and the United States, including the Fraser River, exposing wild salmon to amplified levels of parasites such as sea lice, viral and bacterial diseases, toxic chemicals and concentrated waste. Canada’s apparent violations of its own Fisheries Act are allowing commercial salmon feedlots to erode the capacity of the British Columbia ecosystem to support wild salmon. The potential for British Columbia salmon feedlots to introduce, amplify and spread pathogens also jeopardizes the health of every other wild salmon run along the Pacific Coast, as well as the entire West Coast salmon fishing industry, because these stocks co-mingle.
This petition describes the natural life cycle of wild salmon, the biology of naturally occurring sea lice, declines in wild salmon populations, and the best scientific knowledge about the threats and impacts of parasites and disease from salmon feedlots. It also chronicles public reaction to the crisis and attempts to address the problem. The petition provides background on the impacts of fish feedlots in British Columbia on wild salmon and the intensifying threats of disease and parasites caused by inappropriately sited aquaculture. Finally, it outlines the failure of Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the provincial British Columbia government to act in accordance with Canadian law to protect wild salmon populations, and details how these government entities are actually promoting expansion of harmful salmon feedlots. The need for immediate action is even more urgent with the recent discovery of the deadly salmon virus, Infectious Salmon Anemia, in wild Pacific salmon for the first time.
This is a formal petition filed under the Citizen Submission on Enforcement Matters process of the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC). When a country that is a party to the North American Trade Agreement fails to enforce one of its own environmental laws, a party may petition the NAAEC Secretariat to develop a factual record on the matter. Canada’s Fisheries Act prohibits the harmful alteration, disruption or destruction of fish habitat (Section 35) and the addition of deleterious substances to fish habitat (Section 36). This petition details the failure of the Canadian government to enforce these sections of the Fisheries Act by allowing salmon feedlots to plague wild salmon habitat with amplified levels of parasites, potentially devastating diseases and harmful toxins.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2012/fish-farms-02-07-2012.html
FISH farms
Industrial salmon farms in British Columbia currently consist of open net-cage salmon pens anchored in the mouths of important wild salmon rivers. In fact, Canada is allowing more than 100 of these salmon feedlots to operate in primary wild salmon migration routes in the province. This exposes ecologically and economically valuable wild salmon runs to epidemics of disease, amplified levels of parasites, toxic chemicals, escaped invasive fish and concentrated farm waste. And there’s proof: The proliferation of salmon feedlots has been linked to dramatic declines in British Columbia’s wild salmon populations — plus the detection of a lethal salmon virus. The potential for epidemic diseases jeopardizes the health of every wild salmon run along the entire Pacific Coast, since the coast’s fish stocks comingle in the ocean and estuaries.
To help protect wild salmon runs, the Center has organized an international coalition to challenge Canada’s disastrous salmon aquaculture policies. In 2012, conservation, fishing and native groups in Canada and the United States filed a formal petition under a NAFTA environmental side-agreement requesting an international investigation into Canada’s violation of its Fisheries Act in failing to protect wild salmon from disease and parasites spread by industrial fish feedlots. Our coalition seeks international action to close harmful marine feedlots and force Canada to relocate salmon aquaculture into contained tanks on land, allowing for the restoration of wild salmon runs and a healthy salmon fishery.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/fish_farms/index.html
Foxsea
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Nice! thanks. - How 'bout 50 more of us? Then someone to organize and attend the media event with Drs. Morton and Miller. Shouldn't be that hard to do when I see the numbers of members and lurkers here.
bushwackin
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bushwackin
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Hindsight
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lorneparker1
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I would get onside with alexandra morton
Charlie
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Not at all, as long as you post those links and give credit where creit is do!
Foxsea
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Yes - thats the PCWSS site that Alexandra Morton is affiliated with.
Foxsea
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[The more I read the more I'm feeling like we're in a George Lucas film and Harper's manning the Death Star. We need the Jedi's - now.
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