Cell Phone and Tablet GPS

bigbruce

Crew Member
Following is an excerpt from a recent "Active Captain" bulletin on the topic of the use of Smart Phones and Tablets for GPS purposes when there is not Cell service that I thought the group might be interested in:

phone and Tablet GPS >>>

Every day of the week we receive some form of the question, "How can I
get my position on my phone or tablet when there are no cell towers
available?" Apparently there is a rumor circulating that you can't access
your position on your a phone or tablet from offshore or when there is
poor cell coverage. We'll try to clear up those rumors and provide you
with the facts. We'll also give you the information you need when buying
a new tablet for your boat. We'll stay away from the nitty-gritty about
how GPS works except where it's important in a practical way.

One of the driving forces behind the addition of GPS in phones was an FCC
regulation that took effect in 2005 requiring A-GPS in mobile phones. Mobile
phone use was sky-rocketing but the E-911 emergency systems weren't able to
show precise location information when a call was made from a mobile device.
When 911 is dialed on a land-line, the address has already been entered into
E-911 and is displayed to the dispatcher. The goal was to have a mobile
version of that for mobile phone 911 calls.

There were years of notice about the upcoming regulation and major cellular
chip manufacturers started putting GPS technology onto their cellular radio
chips early. This meant a mobile phone manufacturer could use a single chip to
provide both cellular and GPS radios. Space is critical in mobile phones so
it was an obvious chip bundling. With the new GPS capability on cellular chips,
many mobile phone manufacturers started making the raw GPS data available to
"apps" that were added to the phones.

Today, every mobile phone, especially iPhones and Android phones, has a real
GPS inside. That GPS hardware will work in the middle of the ocean with no
cellular towers within a thousand miles in any direction. Part of the confusion
comes into play with the "A" in the A-GPS hardware. That A is for "assisted."
GPS technology can acquire its initial position much quicker if it knows the
approximate location on Earth where the device is located. It's why A-GPS
was required for the 2005 regulation - no one wants to dial 911 and then wait
3 minutes while the GPS acquires the first GPS position fix. Instead, through
some complex technology that doesn't matter here, having a good starting
position greatly speeds up the first fix time so you wait only seconds, perfect
for 911. And the starting position technology? That's the mobile phone tower
that the mobile phone is connected to - that position is known and is close
enough to give the GPS a jump start.

Bottom line - if you have a device today with cellular connectivity (a phone
or a cellular tablet), you have a real GPS inside. It'll work incredibly well
out on the water without any cellular towers. If you're near a cellular tower,
it'll give you a first position fix faster - that's it. The newer devices are
even giving us exceptional performance below deck in staterooms at night which
provides the perfect anchor alarm. Note that steel boats will have some issues
with GPS reception below for obvious reasons.

There's one other confusing part. The new tablets are finding many uses on
boats. We've said before that a tablet is the best new electronics device to
have onboard. And if you're going to get a tablet, make sure it has a real GPS
inside. From above you already know that if the tablet has cellular internet
connectivity, it has a GPS built in. But there are many WiFi-only tablets these
days including half the iPad models and many Android tablets. For those devices,
it is not a given that it'll have real GPS. In fact, no WiFi-only iPad has a
built-in GPS because Apple only has the GPS hardware on the cellular chip it
uses.

For many Android tablets, the WiFi-only versions do have real GPS support. But
you have to look carefully to make sure. Our Nexus N7 WiFi has a real GPS and we
selected it because of that capability. You have to check.

If you find a tablet that you like that doesn't have a real GPS in their WiFi
version, get the cellular version. Always. The difference in cost will be about
$100 which is about the cost of buying an add-on GPS. But the add-on will be
another device you'll need to remember, carry along, and if directly attached,
will mess up mounting and cases you might want. If you don't need cellular
internet connectivity for the tablet because you'll only be using WiFi, don't
purchase a cellular plan for the tablet - you don't have to. We have multiple
cellular iPads and none of the cellular plans have ever been enabled. We use our
iPads over WiFi and through our Verizon MiFi only. But having the cellular iPads
means they all have real GPS without anything extra to purchase.
 
As a point of interest, I downloaded the Navionics app to my iphone ($19.95) as a back up to my Garmin GPS. I tried it out on a recent trip to Esperanza Inlet - which is well outside of any cell service and the app worked perfectly.
 
Hey Bruce.....I am a BB user but have a 3G iPad. I heard from a buddy who downloaded Navionics for his iPhone that he couldn't use the same subscription for his iPad as they are different versions or something like that?

Not sure if you or anyone knows about this......it won't affect me as I wouldn't go down the iPhone route but found it interesting when he had mentioned it.
 
I have the same Navionics subscription on iPhone 5 and iPad no extra cost. Although I do prefer using the Nobletec App for iPad when on the water.
 
The app for the iPhone works fine on the iPad , but the hd version for the iPad doesn't work on the phone. There are some differences for the two versions, I have both on my iPad . Any in app purchase will work in all your devices with the same version of software. I like to explore the software at home and use them as backups on the water only in an emergency. They are not as readable or as handy as marine GPS.
Ted
 
I love the ability to zoom in and out and move things around with the touch of the iPad. Nicer than pushing buttons on my GPS/Sounder which I now use for my back up GPS. It is usually full screen sounding now.
 
The app for the iPhone works fine on the iPad , but the hd version for the iPad doesn't work on the phone. There are some differences for the two versions, I have both on my iPad . Any in app purchase will work in all your devices with the same version of software. I like to explore the software at home and use them as backups on the water only in an emergency. They are not as readable or as handy as marine GPS.
Ted

What are your thoughts on the differences? Is the HD version worth the $50? Pros/cons?


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this article misses one of the most important parts of using android/iphone devices as stand alone gps . THE HAVE TO HAVE THE CORRECT CHART DOWNLOADED. Sorry for yelling , but techies seem to consistently miss this essential ingredient.

beemer
 
I don't really see four times the value in the hd version, I haven't spent much time directly comparing the two. The cheaper iphone app works fine.
Ted
 
I was hali fishing in the fog yesterday. My humminbird chartplotter/sounder proved yet again that it is slower to update GPS and less reliable in the heavy fog than my friend's navionics app on his phone.
 
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