Re: More Problems At Fish Farms
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2013, 03:20:07 PM »
Moosebreath,(soxy) you might want to look for a new source of information. Better yet, read the actual Cohen Final Report and related transcripts with exhibits for yourself. Somehow Dr. Miller does not seem to agree with your source – neither does the data collected to date. Here is some more information on Creative farmed Chinook.
Well, how about this… actually Dr. Miller stated the studies started by Dr. Kent on SLV where never completed and she didn’t even know what SLV and the disease was. She didn’t agree or disagreed with anything only stated what she had found and there has been very little data collected and it is INCOMPLETE!
DR. MILLER: And so I don't think that there's -- and there's no indication that what we're picking up as ISAV positives has any correlation with their jaundiced syndrome.
And, I believe there is! So, let’s do some testing and figure it out?
There's no indication that it's causing disease, necessarily, in those fish,
There is no indication that any HPR0 or HPR00 EVER causing any disease. Well… That is until it mutates!
but we basically picked up a similar prevalence level and CT values that we see in wild migrating sockeye. Cohen Transcript Dec 15, 2011 page 53
Hmmm… you do understand she is referring to the
Norwegian strain of ISAv here, right?
MS. CALLAN:
26 Q: Now, your results were interesting because you didn't only have unhealthy fish testing positive for ISAV?
DR. MILLER: Yes, and I never suggested that ISAV was anything to do with this jaundice disease.
HPR0 and HPR00 have NEVER been shown to cause any disease in any fish, including Atlantic salmon or jaundice disease - YET. So, you believe Dr Miller would suggest anything, without completing any studies????
Q: Okay. And in fact, if we turn to provincial Tab 22, you'd agree that the positive ISAV PCR test results are as common in healthy fish as they are in sick fish?
DR. MILLER: Yes, I only saw this morning, but yes, again, I never came forward and suggested there was any relationship. Cohen Transcript Dec 15, 2011 page 96
Yep! She set there in court listening to the other ISA experts on how they tested their samples. Actuallywent back to her lab that morning and re-tested her samples and wella - found the the
Norwegian strain of ISAV. What would you expect her to testify to under oath as at that point she had just found it and NEVER completed her testing! I would suggest one simply just ask Dr. Miller what she now believes? BTW… during the Cohen inquiry Dr. Miller was NOT even considered an expert witness for ISA disease or ISAv.
I will leave one with this… THERE IS NO INDICATION. AS THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY STUDIES DONE!
Soxy, it is actually laughable that one wants to argue with the following statement:
so my contention is “jaundice” certainly might be secondary to ISAv?
I will start with giving some definitions from Merriam-Webster:
con·ten·tion noun \kən-ˈten(t)-shən\
: something (such as a belief, opinion, or idea) that is argued or stated
: anger and disagreement
: a situation in which you have a chance to win something that you are trying to win
Full Definition of CONTENTION
1
: an act or instance of
contending
2
: a point advanced or maintained in a debate or argument
3
: rivalry,
competition
Might verbal auxiliary \ˈmīt\
Definition of MIGHT
past of may
—used in auxiliary function to express permission, liberty, probability, possibility in the past <the president="" <em="">might do nothing without the board's consent> or a present condition contrary to fact <if you="" older="" were="" <em="">might understand> or less probability or possibility than
may <
might get there before it rains> or as a polite alternative to
may <
might I ask who is calling> or to
ought or
should <you <em="">might at least apologize>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/
It is an OPINION and actually really don’t care what one has to say about my contention [belief, opinion, or idea] that jaundice certainly might [probability, possibility] be secondary [caused by or coming from something else] to ISAv. I will be happy to clarify that farther… stating that is “my opinion”! I will even add this definition, as it might [possibility] be applicable [relevant]:
mo·ron noun \ˈmȯr-ˌän\
: a very stupid or foolish person
Full Definition of MORON
1
usually offensive : a person affected with mild mental retardation
2
: a very stupid person
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