Preliminary 2018 salmon outlook/Forecast/Management Measures

SV, completely agree with you on some things. However when endangered springs are being sold for 2$ a lb and 5$ a sockeye, and the ones they can’t sell just get wasted. I have a major problem with that.
In terms the the lower Fraser bands and lower canyon bands I would bet the house 95% of fish being netted are actually sold and not actually consumed by the bands.
Maybe it’s a smarter and cheaper idea to just pay the FN not to net...probably save us a lot of money and be very profitable for the economy....just a thought
 
Funny how FN issues seem to go away when governments keep throwing cash at them! Win win really and works every time and in this case with the post Whitebuck made would probably save the salmon and millions of dollars, sad to say!!
 
Are we still arguing over the cause of the decline in Salmon stocks?
It’s not a secret. It’s EVERYTHING!

Yes, FN decimating the rivers with nets of new technology takes its toll, and yes, it’s highly unlikely that the government is ever going to change it. You’re kidding yourselves if you think that the government paying them off will make them stop.

Seals and sealions populations are booming, and theydure love to eat salmon, (and our lures and flashers for dessert). I like that we are trying to find some solutions for that. But for now, it is only getting worse. Unfortunately the public just sees them as cute animals and the main difference between the value of cow products over seal, is that not too many people I know want seal blubber sandwiches for lunch.

Commercial bycatch is a big problem, but again, the majority of the public gets there fish from the grocery stores and that won’t change until here are no fish left to feed them.

The herring slaughter that just happened just took its toll on the salmon’s main food source.

Fish farms. Enough said.

I think the best way to move forward is to come together and do the things we can like join groups that help with the repopulating of salmon. Practice safe catch and release, and savour each time you go out, because one day we might not be able to.
 
Stizzla said:
Are we still arguing over the cause of the decline in Salmon stocks?
It’s not a secret. It’s EVERYTHING!

Yes, FN decimating the rivers with nets of new technology takes its toll, and yes, it’s highly unlikely that the government is ever going to change it. You’re kidding yourselves if you think that the government paying them off will make them stop.

Seals and sealions populations are booming, and theydure love to eat salmon, (and our lures and flashers for dessert). I like that we are trying to find some solutions for that. But for now, it is only getting worse. Unfortunately the public just sees them as cute animals and the main difference between the value of cow products over seal, is that not too many people I know want seal blubber sandwiches for lunch.

Commercial bycatch is a big problem, but again, the majority of the public gets there fish from the grocery stores and that won’t change until here are no fish left to feed them.

The herring slaughter that just happened just took its toll on the salmon’s main food source.

Fish farms. Enough said.

I think the best way to move forward is to come together and do the things we can like join groups that help with the repopulating of salmon. Practice safe catch and release, and savour each time you go out, because one day we might not be able to.
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Sorry but I totally disagree about the river netting.

If reasonable numbers of salmon don’t make it to the spawning beds it doesn’t matter what happens out in the ocean.

When there are no smolts coming out of the river the seals will eat something else or starve. The Sea Lions too eventually.

Catch and release? Yeah that really saved the Steelhead didn’t it? Proven there is a 10% mortality and more with poor handling. The survivors then head up the river and get caught in nets and sold. What was the point in releasing that fish then?

Unless all users, including the FN let those fish get to the spawning beds it’s over.....sooner than we think.

It’s scary when the Skeena system is having problems
 
I completely agree that the river netting is problem #1. That’s why it was at the top of the list...
The main problem is, FN’s have right to do it amd I don’t see the government offering them money to stop and even if they did, I don’t think they would stop anyways. It’s a dire situation!
 
I just got back from the Skeena....the skeena and nass are where the Fraser was 7 yrs ago.....
Those 3 systems have something in common....
 
I'm not convinced there is one or two simple root causes (or solutions), but I am convinced that every stakeholder, predator, user or what ever you call all of us is partially to blame...that includes the rec fishery. Part of the problem is staring each of us back in the mirror. We may be required to implement further fishery restrictions where it makes sense within specific areas and times to pass weaker stock Chinook through to the rivers.

Like others here, I do have a few additional solutions, that if we developed as a remedy, would go further towards helping (pinniped control, enhanced habitat, increased and improved hatchery programs, net pens, reducing fisheries that remove food chain species vital to Chinook juvenile feeding success such as herring, krill, crab)
 
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Subject:
FN0289-COMMERCIAL and RECREATIONAL - Salmon - Pacific Salmon Treaty Coho Exploitation Rate Engagement Process



The Department has completed a Discussion Document intended to provide
information to support your feedback and recommendations on the determination
of reference points and allowable exploitation rate caps for southern Canadian
Coho management units (MUs) within the bilateral framework of the Pacific
Salmon Treaty (PST).

The Departments' Discussion Document: "Pacific Salmon Treaty (PST) Southern
Coho Reference Points and Exploitation Rate Caps" may be found at the following
link:

http://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40673972.pdf

Webinars will be held on April 11 and 24, 2018. These webinars will provide an
overview of the Discussion Document, an opportunity for questions and brief
discussion to help support participants feedback on the core question: Do you
think the current maximum allowable bilateral exploitation rate under the
Pacific Salmon Treaty Southern Coho Management Plan be maintained, reduced or
increased? A questionnaire is included in the Discussion Document and may be
returned directly to Department. Please send all completed questionnaires to
Cynthia.Johnston@dfo-mpo.gc.ca.

Webinar Details for April 11, 2018 from 1:00 - 3:00
1. Go to
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2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Coho
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5. Call-in toll-free number: 1-877-413-4788 Conference ID: 5511218
For assistance go to https://gts-ee.webex.com/gts-ee/mc or call 1-800-226-6338
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Webinar Details for April 24, 2018 from 10:00 - 12:00
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In addition, a focused technical workshop will be held May 1-2, 2018 with
invitations to be provided as soon as possible.

An engagement plan which includes information on the background and purpose of
these consultations as well details on process may be found on the Departments'
Coho ER consultation page which will be live starting April 10, 2018:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/consultation/smon/pst-coho-tsp/index-eng.html
or for French:
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They still get priority access. Its the way it is. They where here first, and access to salmon was agreed on when the settlers came. Blame DFO on mismanaging the stocks to zero. I don't like it but it is what it is.
 
SpringVelocity said:
They still get priority access. Its the way it is. They where here first, and access to salmon was agreed on when the settlers came. Blame DFO on mismanaging the stocks to zero. I don't like it but it is what it is.
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lol yeah cause that just makes any sense sheesh come on
 
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First Nations should not be fishing on this endangered chinook run. It’s currently on the list to be reviewed in coming years for a SARA listing.

The good part about them fishing is it means that the recreational ocean fishery will remain open.

If the First Nations were on the sidelines right now you could almost certainly guarantee that most areas would be closed to recreational fishing right now. Most likely the strait of Georgia and the JDF would be closed.

The problem is this is also pretty important SRKW food as well. So the ENGO pressure will
Be relentless.

Unless ocean survival improves, the odds of us having a year around chinook fishery is probably not realistic.
 
I tend to agree, if any salmon has made it back to the river, they should be left alone and protected so they can spawn. If we're not even allowing them to do that then it's a no brainer they will dissappear for good.
 
Fishtofino said:
Their rights shouldn't matter for **** when the run is in dire straights
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Yes but then we shouldn't either. You can't expect us to say you can't do it then fish the ocean. The debate on priority access can go all day long. I am not saying I agree if selling. I am just saying don't expect stopping netting if we are still fishing for them. They are first unfortunately and we are last. Anyway I have spent some time on this subject seeing and hearing the other point of view. It is government fault not first nations.
 
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SpringVelocity said:
Yes but then we shouldn't either. You can't expect us to say yiu can't do it then fish the ocean. The debate on priority access can go all day long. I am not saying I agree if selling. I am just saying don't expect stopping netting if we are still fishing for them. They are first unfortunately and we are last.
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Well they are selling. If you don’t have a problem with this fishery you may as well sell your boat. This is the end of the Fraser fishery.

My last statement on this thread
 
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