Fishermen. Tune into the Leaders debate this evening.

[Seafever]

Actually I do remember when it was NDP back then. And I never had a problem. Back then it seemed things weren't as expensive, there were no weekly cutbacks on public services, and you could well afford to go to Vancouver on the ferries. Gordon Campbell destroyed all that...and Christy Clark is just the "celebrity op" they replaced him with. When the Liberals say that B.C. is fine and prospering, they really mean "but only for us pork-barrelers and rich people. The rest of you can kiss our butts". On the other hand, IMO Dix was the worst choice for premier by NDP......and I am tired of the word "Green". So I guess I'm not voting this year.

 

[Fish Assassin]

This is what I saw last night......

Dix won that debate hands down and seemed real.
Sterk came across better then I thought she would.
Clarke sounded rehearsed. Did she ever answer a question that was asked? Tired of her BS
Cummins didn't even show up.... LOL He looked so stupid. I am not sure his own family would vote for him.

 

[spring fever]

I wouldn't follow any of them even out of abject curiousity. We truly have a very poor choice to make out of this bunch !!!

 

[Swingin Dick]

remember the last time our province was NDP?..

I do remember. Billions down the toilet! Thats why all of your tax dollars are servicing debt, not new spending.

 

[Swingin Dick]

So what have we established here. We all know that a vote for the NDP or Liberals means bend over and grab your ankles, no matter what the issues are to you. So I ask? Why the hell are most going to vote for them anyway? If I go to a burger joint and get a ***** burger with a side of heat lamp fries and a warm drink. I do not go back to the place. Its really that simple. I hear a lot of - I want to vote green, but I don't want to split the vote and risk the Liberals getting back in. I encourage everyone to vote for the candidate or party that you feel will represent you.

 

[trendsetter]

I do remember. Billions down the toilet! Thats why all of your tax dollars are servicing debt, not new spending.

x2. I also remember. Maybe when they get rid of the same old party backbenchers in the NDP and they actually put forward a platform that will work in the best interest of British Columbians I'd consider voting for them. Until then I will be voting liberal. The lesser of two evils so to speak.

 

[lucky strikes]

Seen the liberal and NDP clown shows before. I'm voting green party based solely on their opposition to fish farms. Why not give them a chance, there are many intelligent people running as green candidates, and at the end of the day if you don't have your health and natural environment to live in.....what do you got??

 

[Aces]

x2. I also remember. Maybe when they get rid of the same old party backbenchers in the NDP and they actually put forward a platform that will work in the best interest of British Columbians I'd consider voting for them. Until then I will be voting liberal. The lesser of two evils so to speak.

X 3. We are still paying for the last time the NDP got in and the economy was a lot stronger back then.

Heaven help us if high rolling Dix gets in charge!

 

[Pippen]

This is what I saw last night......

Dix won that debate hands down and seemed real.
Sterk came across better then I thought she would.
Clarke sounded rehearsed. Did she ever answer a question that was asked?Tired of her BS
Cummins didn't even show up.... LOL He looked so stupid. I am not sure his own family would vote for him.

HUH????? Dix won hands down???? Not sure what debate you watched as he dodged LOTS of questions and would just revert back into his same 'safety blanket diatribe' over and over and over again. Saying he won hands down is a bit ridiculous as not a single person, analyst etc said anyone stood out above the rest.

Regardless of who you lean towards I know many a person who was yelling at Dix to just answer the question!

 

[finaddict]

HUH????? Dix won hands down???? Not sure what debate you watched as he dodged LOTS of questions and would just revert back into his same 'safety blanket diatribe' over and over and over again. Saying he won hands down is a bit ridiculous as not a single person, analyst etc said anyone stood out above the rest.

Regardless of who you lean towards I know many a person who was yelling at Dix to just answer the question!

Dix will never answer a question, now or ever in the future. He has always been in a position to have this as his election to lose, not win. Answering a question may risk that.

 

[Fish Assassin]

Dix did way better then anyone else I saw last night......

 

[Captain PartyMarty]

This is the first election I have taken part in since I moved back from living in Austria. So I tend to compare a lot with what I know from Austria, and what I really noticed is that all the candidates seem to lack confidence. In Austria the leaders where always well-spoken confident people who really brought their point of view across and all had strong opinions. Here in BC the leaders all come across as bumbling puppets who just repeat the party line. I also don't understand the public’s general fear of the green party. In Europe they have strong green party and I typically thought they did a very good job, what’s wrong with renewable energy and public transport? I wish it would be possible to flush the giant toilet which is BC politics and start over with parties and leaders which the public can put their faith in. I am largely undecided about who to vote for but I am leaning to either green or independent, as I think they are more likely to put the interest of my community first before the interest of the party even though the chances of them winning my riding is slim to none, but I want to encourage them to continue fighting and get stronger for future elections.

 

[Seafever]

Re Greens:- I don't like carbon taxes...and...I don't like increases on carbon taxes under the guise of "it's good for you". Carbon taxes are a cash grab and don't have much input into reducing carbon. Carbon taxes are like the Halibut allocation...if you want more you buy some "carbon credits". When the NDP left office the books were balanced and we had "money in the bank". Why were the fast cats built? Because we wanted them. We didn't like taking an hour and a half to two hours to get to Vancouver. The fast cats, although perfectly fine at normal speeds, were given away by Gordon Campbell to his friend Kyle Washington as a gift. Gordon was the new lion...so he ate the previous cubs (fast cats) so he could establish his own offshore-built ferries which aren't any better than any ferry that went before them. Could the fastcats have been upgraded at lower cost? Of course......but the problem was they had Joe Clark written all over them...so they had to go. The Liberals have never balanced the books since back when Gordon got in. He put us in the hole and we've been there ever since. Christy likes to balance her books on "projected revenue" which is another term for "Liberalspeak" which is another term for "absolutely nothing".

 

[Captain PartyMarty]

Oh I do agree with you point of view about the carbon tax, nothing but a cash grab

 

[trendsetter]

Re Greens:- I don't like carbon taxes...and...I don't like increases on carbon taxes under the guise of "it's good for you". Carbon taxes are a cash grab and don't have much input into reducing carbon. Carbon taxes are like the Halibut allocation...if you want more you buy some "carbon credits". When the NDP left office the books were balanced and we had "money in the bank". Why were the fast cats built? Because we wanted them. We didn't like taking an hour and a half to two hours to get to Vancouver. The fast cats, although perfectly fine at normal speeds, were given away by Gordon Campbell to his friend Kyle Washington as a gift. Gordon was the new lion...so he ate the previous cubs (fast cats) so he could establish his own offshore-built ferries which aren't any better than any ferry that went before them. Could the fastcats have been upgraded at lower cost? Of course......but the problem was they had Joe Clark written all over them...so they had to go. The Liberals have never balanced the books since back when Gordon got in. He put us in the hole and we've been there ever since. Christy likes to balance her books on "projected revenue" which is another term for "Liberalspeak" which is another term for "absolutely nothing".

On deficits the Liberals have a far better record than the NDP.

Deficits were the norm in BC prior to the stretch of years 2004/05 through 2008/09. BC posted deficits in 12 of 13 years between 1991/92 and 2003/04. All provinces were in deficit in the early 1990s. BC was in the middle of the pack in 1991/92 but was closer to the worst-performing province.
Eight provinces posted a surplus in 2000/01. BC was one but this surplus was preceded by nine, and followed by, three deficits. BC posted surpluses for five years starting in 2004/05 and then deficits for the last two. In 2010/11, BC’s rank increased two places to fourth with a deficit of 0.2 percent of GDP. Taken together, the provinces’ deficit ratio was seven times that of BC’s.


http://www.bcprogressboard.com/2011Report/PI7.html

 

[trendsetter]

On the effectiveness of the carbon tax: (unpopular but is actually accomplishing what it was intended to do)

"Economist Alexander Woods studied B.C.'s carbon tax for the Ottawa-based research group Sustainable Prosperity.

He found that since the carbon tax was introduced, carbon emissions and fossil fuel consumption have dropped more in B.C. than anywhere else in Canada by a significant margin.

"What we've seen in B.C., based on the data collected by the federal government is a decline in emissions…that outstrips the kind of emissions we've seen in the rest of Canada," said Woods.

In his report published last year, he found per capita fossil fuel consumption was down in B.C. by 15.1 percent between 2008 and 2011.
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And Woods says preliminary numbers from Statistics Canada show a 17 per cent reduction in per capita fossil fuel consumption in B.C. since the carbon tax was introduced in 2008.

Woods says there can be no mistake why B.C. is leading the country in reducing our dependence on gas and other fossil fuels."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/04/23/bc-reality-check-carbon-tax.html

 

[trendsetter]

Now onto taxes. Note the last NDP budget in 2000 and the first and subsequent budgets from the Liberals 2001 onwards.

Tax comparison - BC provincial income taxes payable (refundable) on different income levels

Single Person
Income 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
60,000 6,164 5,172 4,607 4,654 4,616 4,588 4,556 4,526 4,496 4,464 3,800 3,831

Full chart available here: http://www.taxtips.ca/bctax/taxcomparison2011.htm

 

[Seafever]

The decline in carbon emissions didn't happen because a tax was put in place. Still wondering if you could call Natural Gas a fossil fuel. We're too busy shipping our carbon fossil fuel to China to use it ourselves. What the Liberals pretend they give you in income tax reduction, they get back from you in a hundred different ways. Are we reducing our dependance on fossil fuels? Goods shipped by diesel truck/highway are greater than ever. Rail-shipped goods are nowhere near where they once were. Flights from B.C. airports by large jets are on the increase. The average family back in the day owned one car. Now it's two or three. In the past houses were wired with 100amp service. Now 200 is bare minumum. You don't have the vast farm areas in B.C. where you can utilize diesel tractors, binders and all the required powered farm equipment like in some other provinces. I just remember back in the 80's and 90's being a hell of lot happier in general than I am now with the provincial state of affairs. I liked Ujal Dosanjh and I liked Mike Harcourt...wasn't too crazy about Joe Clark really though.

 

[Aces]

The decline in carbon emissions didn't happen because a tax was put in place. Still wondering if you could call Natural Gas a fossil fuel. We're too busy shipping our carbon fossil fuel to China to use it ourselves. What the Liberals pretend they give you in income tax reduction, they get back from you in a hundred different ways. Are we reducing our dependance on fossil fuels? Goods shipped by diesel truck/highway are greater than ever. Rail-shipped goods are nowhere near where they once were. Flights from B.C. airports by large jets are on the increase. The average family back in the day owned one car. Now it's two or three. In the past houses were wired with 100amp service. Now 200 is bare minumum. You don't have the vast farm areas in B.C. where you can utilize diesel tractors, binders and all the required powered farm equipment like in some other provinces. I just remember back in the 80's and 90's being a hell of lot happier in general than I am now with the provincial state of affairs. I liked Ujal Dosanjh and I liked Mike Harcourt...wasn't too crazy about Joe Clark really though.

Sorry but this is the wrong place to argue about fossil fuels with the amount of gas that gets burnt by the members of this forum...... just sayin'

 

[Seafever]

I can feel myself slowly sinking into the quagmire now....it's coming over the top of my boots.....so I'm out except to say that I would vote if there was a party now that represented my interests and beliefs. But there isn't. I'm not voting for a person/party who's going to turn on me when they get in........