Cuba Libre
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Look at the A, B, C, D,-- those are the options.. Sorry, I dont know how to get the table with this info to post in a more readable form.
60lb/15lb Halibut Limit - Let's Discuss
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Hindsight
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It is simple we require more TAC, we should be focusing more pressure towards more TAC.. If someone can please tell me how much TAC was left over last year ? http://www.iqmi.ca this site still had quota for sale, trade and lease. 7500 lbs we leased and leased back. Check out the site
GLG
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Yup I agree that the process was not good in some places..... We tried here in area 14 and I would say we did get a bunch of guy's out to inform and we took a vote. As you know we had a lively time here on this website. What happened in your meeting? If you could not make it let me know what area you are in an I'll look it up.
GLG
SerengetiGuide
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I'd go out on a limb (and even say its not that much of a limb) and say I'd guarantee a majority of fishermen do not agree with this and rather of had a 1/1
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
Come on GLG not to upset you as I know you got an interest here as well as anyone else from the area 14 board but the open meeting was a waste of all of our time. We (be the board, about 4 rec. fisherman that are friends with most on the board, 2 guides (Ian Barker and Cliff) and 2 commercial fisherman) were bored to death for hours listening to things the other 8 of us didn't even care to hear about at that time. You and the rest of the board knew that, and I am sure has heard from the rest of us that we have no interest in sitting thru that to get to the topics that we are there for. Once finally getting to the topics of interest it was mentioned that it was late. There was a bunch of stuff tossed out quickly from some person notes with some sort of an agenda. There was a quick vote on I believe one of them topics and the meeting was over. Ian was shut up over and over again and to me it seemed he was the only guy with fight over this matter. In my opinion the rest was left to our board who again got us know where. Quote... Again it's being pushed down our throats. Let me guess its just experimental and it will only be this year.... Heard that before. To me we need more fight and if the fight is not being heard. Go Fishing...
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Ok well I guess I’ll throw my opinion into the mix here….
1. In terms of the yearly quota I am 100% on board, seriously who needs more than that a year?
2. Season length - It seems like the super long season will only service a few people who live close to where the halibut live. I hate to point fingers but this is the WCVI and Victoria guys/girls. I would much rather see a May to Sept opening as this is the time of the year when most Canadians will access the fishery. (pretty sure I’ll catch some heat for that one).
3. Slot limit and size restrictions – If a slot limit was to be employed then I truly believe that an UPPER slot limit is appropriate. However I do not believe that this 60# limit is good enough. I would like to see it be somewhere in the 100# area. I do not want to see a lower slot limit. The one major problem with the slot limit is releasing large halibut ie greater than 50# can be a little bit challenging. First off being able to determine a halibuts overall length in rough ocean conditions is hard. On a big fish you are going to be plus or minus 3” with an over the side of the boat measurement. So you kill this fish that looks under the slot in the water and then when you get it aboard you get a real accurate measurement and **** you are 1” over……what to do now? Deep six it?
I used to guide at the Outpost which is part of the West Coast Fishing Club, located on the west side of the Gwaii just 8 miles north of Hippa Island. I am pretty sure this is the BEST location on the BC coast to catch huge halibut……LOTS of them,, like multiple fish over 100# on a tide. In 2010 we implemented a 100#+ release rule. There was no budging on this from a management side, if it looked over 100 it was going back………no discussion. During the 2010 and 2011 there were probably a 200 halibut over 100# shaken by 6 guides. It was the right thing to do but man it is hard and can be dangerous if you don’t want to leave the hook in them. Over those two seasons I got really good at eyeballing fish size and letting them go but this was seeing lots of fish and fishing every day. So where am I going with all this? The average joe is going to have a hard time determining if a fish is going to be within the slot limit for the 60#+ limit. Fish of that size cannot be handled like a ping pong paddle 15#.
4. Final thoughts – I think we would get the most bang for our buck with a shorter season and 1/day 2 possession with a total of 6 for the season. I think trying to get people to grade halibut on the ocean is a bad call especially with the larger animals. I for one will continue to shake fish over 100# weather it is law or not.
1. In terms of the yearly quota I am 100% on board, seriously who needs more than that a year?
2. Season length - It seems like the super long season will only service a few people who live close to where the halibut live. I hate to point fingers but this is the WCVI and Victoria guys/girls. I would much rather see a May to Sept opening as this is the time of the year when most Canadians will access the fishery. (pretty sure I’ll catch some heat for that one).
3. Slot limit and size restrictions – If a slot limit was to be employed then I truly believe that an UPPER slot limit is appropriate. However I do not believe that this 60# limit is good enough. I would like to see it be somewhere in the 100# area. I do not want to see a lower slot limit. The one major problem with the slot limit is releasing large halibut ie greater than 50# can be a little bit challenging. First off being able to determine a halibuts overall length in rough ocean conditions is hard. On a big fish you are going to be plus or minus 3” with an over the side of the boat measurement. So you kill this fish that looks under the slot in the water and then when you get it aboard you get a real accurate measurement and **** you are 1” over……what to do now? Deep six it?
I used to guide at the Outpost which is part of the West Coast Fishing Club, located on the west side of the Gwaii just 8 miles north of Hippa Island. I am pretty sure this is the BEST location on the BC coast to catch huge halibut……LOTS of them,, like multiple fish over 100# on a tide. In 2010 we implemented a 100#+ release rule. There was no budging on this from a management side, if it looked over 100 it was going back………no discussion. During the 2010 and 2011 there were probably a 200 halibut over 100# shaken by 6 guides. It was the right thing to do but man it is hard and can be dangerous if you don’t want to leave the hook in them. Over those two seasons I got really good at eyeballing fish size and letting them go but this was seeing lots of fish and fishing every day. So where am I going with all this? The average joe is going to have a hard time determining if a fish is going to be within the slot limit for the 60#+ limit. Fish of that size cannot be handled like a ping pong paddle 15#.
4. Final thoughts – I think we would get the most bang for our buck with a shorter season and 1/day 2 possession with a total of 6 for the season. I think trying to get people to grade halibut on the ocean is a bad call especially with the larger animals. I for one will continue to shake fish over 100# weather it is law or not.
fogged in
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I feel MOST sports fishermen will have no problem with 6 halibut per season.
The over 60 pound release policy will be tough if not impossible if you want to release and expect survival when your bait is 10" down the gullet....but hopefully it will mean the end to big halibut derbies targeting the biggest of halibut, as they are the female spawners!!!!
The problem is the number of halibut fishermen has increased so drastically in the last 10 to 20 years, something must be done!
Even if they increased the sport quota by 10 to 20%, their would still be too much pressure on the stock on the West Coast of VI thru to Sidney, given the number of guides and sports fishermen on the water.
The over 60 pound release policy will be tough if not impossible if you want to release and expect survival when your bait is 10" down the gullet....but hopefully it will mean the end to big halibut derbies targeting the biggest of halibut, as they are the female spawners!!!!
The problem is the number of halibut fishermen has increased so drastically in the last 10 to 20 years, something must be done!
Even if they increased the sport quota by 10 to 20%, their would still be too much pressure on the stock on the West Coast of VI thru to Sidney, given the number of guides and sports fishermen on the water.
ziggy
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Thanks, it makes a difference when you see DFO's options.
finaddict
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******** SG.
fogged in
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hi mikep
please forgive my ignorance but how is it a circle hook solves the down the gullet problem.
I have used circle hooks with salmon bellies (pinks) , left them to drag along the bottom until sucked in by a hali, often only 30 or so pounds and can't find the hook, it's so deep down the gullet?
If I cut the line on a big one, would they somehow survive?
please forgive my ignorance but how is it a circle hook solves the down the gullet problem.
I have used circle hooks with salmon bellies (pinks) , left them to drag along the bottom until sucked in by a hali, often only 30 or so pounds and can't find the hook, it's so deep down the gullet?
If I cut the line on a big one, would they somehow survive?
trophywife
Crew Member
i stopped using large circle hooks cuz i figured the smaller trebles would rust out faster.. yup lots of circle hooks in the belly... maybe i am doing it wrong or the hali need to learn how to only nibble.... do they not pop they're mouth open and use it like a vacuum to bring in their food? even grubs with singles have been cut out of the guts at the dock.
Hmmm well i have used circle hooks for quite a number of years and found only a small percentage of fish get throat hooked because the turned in point is less likely to grab. If you offset the point and open the gap on the circle then you can have more of a problem with throat hooking. Anything is better than a J hoook which will result in a high % of gullet hookings. The only time we were allowed to bring in a fish over 100# at the outpost was when they were mortally hooked. I think I brought in one fish each year that was gut hooked. All I ever do when setting the hooks with a circle is hold the rod maybe freespool the fish as it takes off with the bait, engage the drag and start reeling. I'm not sure what your doing to get all the gut hooks with the circles. Hey blair I cant remember did we fish circles for halis when you came up to the big time swell in 2006 or 2007?
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GLG
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Thanks for you comments but according to my records 28 including 3 from DFO. 2 commercial fishermen that were questioned as to why they were there and told us that the rec fishers also. As for you comment that Ian being shut up is BS as I made sure that everyone had a chance to speak and not be interrupted. Everyone that held up their hand was given a chance to speak their mind. The document was posted on the net before the meeting. LP went to all the marines and tackle stores and posted flyers. We had lot's of ground to cover and I tried to get through it as fast as I could. You are forgetting we have another issue here. Closing the DFO office and moving our fish cop down island. Rockfish TAC numbers falling and how that would effect salmon (like close Kitty Hump) I was prepared for the meeting.... If you recall my advice was 1/2 shoulder 1/1 July and Aug. Looking kinda good now doesn't it... If you think I'm A OK with what we got you are sadly mistaken..... But I for, like all that showed up, gave it our best shot with what information we had. I have no problem with guy's speakin their minds on this website as long as they showed up at their SFAC and gave input. My beef is with the guy's that sit back and let us do all the work and then spout off on here that the work we did was crap.
Canadian TAC goes down we get more rules to slow us down
Canadian TAC goes up we get new rules to harvest more.
Next year we will go down this road again and maybe the lessons learned from this year we will have a different outcome. I know last year we all thought the world was going to end when we got the 1/2 slot. Well it didn't did it. Who knows what will happen this year. All I know is decisions are made by those that show up. In the mean time will continue to fight for more TAC and other issues here in area 14.
GLG
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SerengetiGuide
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Just look at the response on the forum...plus of the dozen or so fishermen (not guides) I've talked to from the north island EVERY SINGLE ONE said they would of rather had 1/2 slot shoulder, 1/1 july aug...there is NO BS in my statement...look at the 50+ guys FD had talked to as well!
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
28 on record my azz. I could name the people other then about 3-4 on the board and the commercial guys. Bryce was the only DFO there. So your records are wrong. Ian was the only guy with fight and followed your guys BS an tried so hard to be heard. How do you expect us to believe you guys will learn from your mistakes? Like you did last year? Have you learned by watching us get f..ked again? AND yes we were rushed through the voting and some I don't even think got voted on because we ran out of time after talking about quill back gifting for 2 hours that no one cared about LOL
The the one thing with GLG is that he really cares. So we do respect him and other members for that. But this needs to end.
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
Cause you are on that board... Sorry Ray
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
Come on Area 14 is not going to save the halibut fishery as much we would all like to. Let alone change much of any thing the DFO wants to do. So attacking each other about it won't solve it either. But if there was something we could fight, there are many members on this board and rec. fishermen that I think could help make a difference in other ways then the SFAB. That is my opinion.
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