April 1 Fishing Regs-sell your Boats!!

[Rain City]

The reason I asked is to understand when this FN might expired. Truth is I don’t even like eating Salmon so take one home or not is no the primary motivation for me fishing. What I do enjoy is reading fishing reports and it has been few and far in between. I actually started reading archived reports going back to 2014 and it makes me sad and upset to see how much has changed in just few shorts years.

Believe me I miss posting them too!!

 

[UkeeDreamin]

Wow, how can the resource be at such risk with so many experts and fisheries biologists on this site??!!

 

[Cabezon1]

Wow, how can the resource be at such risk with so many experts and fisheries biologists on this site??!!

Because DFO is not making decisions based on Science and expertise?

 

[Stizzla]

I don't agree with this at all and I don't think any sport fisherman should be tolerating or advocating for this. Keeping your first fish and getting the lines out of the water will have far less impact. People must need a ladder to get up on that C&R horse. You're killing the fish and it's pretty easy to see.

100% agree with your comment. It makes so much sense for both springs and also the clipped vs non clipped coho. The problem is that it’s not an option. As of now it’s c&r or nothing. I’ll take c&r.

what really grinds my gears is that we can’t keep hatch and even more weird is that there is a slot on hatch when they do open.

Some say that DFO checks these forums and sometimes even posts on here. If that’s the case I would like to tell the DFO member that you are ugly, stupid, and I enjoyed your mother’s company last night.

 

[Ringo]

In Vancouver it'll be until Sept 1st but I have no idea what that has to do with anything. This whole conversation is pointless and counterproductive. Does everyone forget we were retaining fish all year just two years ago??!!

Yeah - but we didn’t have a minority Liberal government in Ottawa until two years ago. This is all politically driven and that’s why it only requires a political solution.

 

[SpringVelocity]

But do you guys understand that while advocating for C&R it is going to be exposed for what it is? And by bending over and accepting C&R you're giving up any chance of retaining a fish again?

I think you need to sit down with some of the other guys on here like @cohochinook who are also involved in DNA collection program. Lots of really misinformed info on thread and social media regarding mortality. I think your reading too much into what the Watershed Watch and Greg Taylor's paper have been spoon feeding you all on social media.

Stop feeling guilty for going out. Please enjoy your boat.

If I thought catch and release was harmful I wouldn't do DNA program. I will hopefully be doing some next week/maybe tonight.

BTW I don't thinking any one advocating C an R. I certainly wouldn't be worried about NGO groups. They wouldn't bother as they would be sued. They are already walking a fine thread already.

 

[terrin]

I hope we all realize there are DFO people posting on this thread. Diverting the focus from the real issue and creating conflicts between us

Yea like retired guides agreeing we take take take to much. What a joke.

 

[Ringo]

I buy the fresh water license with salmon and steelhead tags for myself and my teenage kid every year. I also buy tidal water licenses with salmon tags for myself and both the kids. Each season, we take home around 7-8 chinooks and a few cohos for the freezer. I’ve been doing volunteer work for my local hatchery for the past 20 years and have been part of the school educational campaigns, river cleaning efforts on the lower mainland and also a regular donor to the habitat protection and enhancement programs. The amount of time and money that I spend on maintaining a boat, tow vehicle, gear and travel is way higher than the value of the meat. I’m not in this for the meat but I also don’t want my hard earned money and volunteer hours to feed the gil nets. If some geniuses think that C&R is the future of our fishery, they better take a short trip up the Fraser and see the blood bath themselves. Don’t try to sell that to me as the result of the shrinking resource b/c that’s a load of BS.
The return of the wild salmon stocks has been a real problem over the past 10-15 years and that’s not just for the Fraser stocks. But then DFO hasn’t done anything about conservation of the wild stocks. Closing the sports fisheries isn’t a solution. C&R is not a viable adaptation strategy. If we want to have a viable fishery in this province, we must find a way to work with the FNs. The current governance model has proven itself non effective. The minority government is hanging off of a cliff and will do anything to avoid a lawsuit. It’s up to our representatives to seek the advisory of the legal and PR experts and use a two tier strategy. Negotiate with the FNs in hope of finding a common ground while actively prepping for a lawsuit. There’s no short term solution to this, unfortunately.

 

[terrin]

Whatever dude. That was the answer for some. You missed the boat on that one. Your going to have to get creative and use your own brain if you want to continue making money on the water. otherwise "Sell your boat", get another job. The writing has been on the wall for quite some time. The fishing industry has been hurting for 30-40 years now. Your not the first.

Depends which fishing industry your talking about. This one was doing okay 30-40 years ago until the other one showed up.

 

[wolf]

Does everyone forget we were retaining fish all year just two years ago??!!

YES THEY DO !!!!

 

[SpringFever552]

i don’t think a non retention of chinook reg is ment to be interpreted as let’s create a targeted chinook C&R fishery.

it’s suppose to be you can fish for other species and if you have incidental catch of chinook they are to be safely released.

that does not mean you should not go out and enjoy C&R you most certainly should get out

im just saying the intent of the regulation is to keep boats away from targeting chinook. A full scale targeted C&R fishery is gonna cause just as much back lash from First Nation and ENGOs as would a MSF or a retention fishery.

just my imo that we should not be adapting to this being the new normal. Especially when this is not about conservation and more about politics, optics and reallocation.

Exactly, lets focus on the real issues, and it has nothing to do with fishing and retaining a hatchey fish, spring or coho..
Its all about the natives filling their nets for the sale of tneir catch,,
How about fn release every single hatchey fish ffs

 

[Skins88]

I buy the fresh water license with salmon and steelhead tags for myself and my teenage kid every year. I also buy tidal water licenses with salmon tags for myself and both the kids. Each season, we take home around 7-8 chinooks and a few cohos for the freezer. I’ve been doing volunteer work for my local hatchery for the past 20 years and have been part of the school educational campaigns, river cleaning efforts on the lower mainland and also a regular donor to the habitat protection and enhancement programs. The amount of time and money that I spend on maintaining a boat, tow vehicle, gear and travel is way higher than the value of the meat. I’m not in this for the meat but I also don’t want my hard earned money and volunteer hours to feed the gil nets. If some geniuses think that C&R is the future of our fishery, they better take a short trip up the Fraser and see the blood bath themselves. Don’t try to sell that to me as the result of the shrinking resource b/c that’s a load of BS.
The return of wild salmon has been going down over the past 10-15 years and that’s not just for the Fraser stocks. But then DFO hasn’t done anything about conservation of the wild stocks. Closing the sports fisheries isn’t a solution. C&R is not a viable adaptation strategy. If we want to have a viable fishery in this province, we must find a way to work with the FNs. The current governance model has proven itself non effective. The minority government is hanging off of a cliff and will do anything to avoid a lawsuit. It’s up to our representatives to seek the advisory of the legal and PR experts and use a two tier strategy. Negotiate with the FNs in hope of finding a common ground while actively prepping for a lawsuit. There’s no short term solution to this, unfortunately.

I buy the fresh water license with salmon and steelhead tags for myself and my teenage kid every year. I also buy tidal water licenses with salmon tags for myself and both the kids. Each season, we take home around 7-8 chinooks and a few cohos for the freezer. I’ve been doing volunteer work for my local hatchery for the past 20 years and have been part of the school educational campaigns, river cleaning efforts on the lower mainland and also a regular donor to the habitat protection and enhancement programs. The amount of time and money that I spend on maintaining a boat, tow vehicle, gear and travel is way higher than the value of the meat. I’m not in this for the meat but I also don’t want my hard earned money and volunteer hours to feed the gil nets. If some geniuses think that C&R is the future of our fishery, they better take a short trip up the Fraser and see the blood bath themselves. Don’t try to sell that to me as the result of the shrinking resource b/c that’s a load of BS.
The return of the wild salmon stocks has been a real problem over the past 10-15 years and that’s not just for the Fraser stocks. But then DFO hasn’t done anything about conservation of the wild stocks. Closing the sports fisheries isn’t a solution. C&R is not a viable adaptation strategy. If we want to have a viable fishery in this province, we must find a way to work with the FNs. The current governance model has proven itself non effective. The minority government is hanging off of a cliff and will do anything to avoid a lawsuit. It’s up to our representatives to seek the advisory of the legal and PR experts and use a two tier strategy. Negotiate with the FNs in hope of finding a common ground while actively prepping for a lawsuit. There’s no short term solution to this, unfortunately.

Great statement. I think it's a joke how little we pay for licenses. Now I know handing more money to the government isn't fun and they likely wouldn't use it properly, but we can spend 5 figures a year on this and they only take 35 bucks or whatever. Would love to see that go up with a breakdown of how the funds are spent on enhancement.

 

[terrin]

I hear you, Wolf, and even agree with you. But the new regs won't allow retention and I am not going to stop fishing completely because of this. I enjoy being on the water and the process of tricking a fish and doing this with my friends or sons even if I don't get to take home our catch. I have no interest in getting briefly out, bonking the first keeper and go home again. None whatsoever. Trailering the boat to the marina, setting up all the gear, flying out to the fishing grounds - all to quit after 15 min when you get the first keeper to the boat? No thanks!

I realize there is a chance that they kill C&R fishing too at some point. But until then I will enjoy what I can, even without retention. And maybe by then, the sport fishery has shrunk to be so small that NGOs etc won't bother going after it anymore.
Do I like this all? Absolutely no. But I can't change it and it seems no one else can either. So, make the most of it. If you have a better plan, please, I am all ears but don't spoil me the last bit of fishing enjoyment we have left in the meantime.

To each their own. I fish to eat fish.

 

[wolf]

Yea like retired guides agreeing we take take take to much. What a joke.

Im not retired LOL LOL
but what really does bother me is its our right to buy a lic and go fishing enjoy it have fun , a trend I have seen thats bothersome is this , im out everyday with different people every day who have bought a lic to keep a few fish, I see a few select guy and guys out everyday ,ive even said to al them dont you have your amount yet???
As we are only allowed 10. .....

People forget we are ALL Canadians we have a right to it!!!!! what dumb dumb has done even worse is separating races and people and some here are taking it to the extreme

 

[ILHG]

Folks this is why the politicians don't hear your voices & why it will NEVER change. Every 4 yrs you have a chance to make a difference... You get what you vote for.

 

[wolf]

But do you guys understand that while advocating for C&R it is going to be exposed for what it is? And by bending over and accepting C&R you're giving up any chance of retaining a fish again?

TOTALLY look back 14 years ago when restrictions first came into play I SAID back then and pleaded begged cried and more to get all involved with putting a stop to it then , As i had dealing with these clowns 30 years ago when I first started guiding on how DFO makes the rules to benefit them and them only.
I said GUYS we need to stop this now!!!!! guys up island laughed at me and everyone down here saying "its not in my back yard" and "you poor bastards" I said then it was going to spider web out !!!!!! still got laughed at and got a TON of hate mail... well look what has happened now you guys can ***** and moan all you want they are taking everything away , so you think settling for C & R is ok well guess what they will take that too bud. take warning what im saying if you are blind to the path our fishery has taken in 10 years then better plan on golfing

 

[Skins88]

Folks this is why the politicians don't hear your voices & why it will NEVER change. Every 4 yrs you have a chance to make a difference... You get what you vote for.

Which party would do the most for our fishery in your opinion? Genuinely curious. I haven't been a fan of what the last two governments have done.

 

[John Ingram]

So............. is there any place on Vancouver Island that you can take and KILL a salmon
before July 15th-July 31st ......... IF SO I might just hitchhike up there with my spinning gear and a
large Styrofoam cooler over my back.

Frack!!! I'm pissed off

 

[brutus]

I stop looking at this tread a week after it started, after reading the last few post, god I must be smart, I kinda seen this sh... show was coming, out for good on this one lol have fun boys

 

[ziggy]

Wow, how can the resource be at such risk with so many experts and fisheries biologists on this site??!!

You don’t have to meet any of that criteria to outwit the current brain trust in Ottawa.