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... It does not surprise me that the threats to these bears is not from hunting...

Good Read GLG. Thanks for posting.

Even the effed up coalition government here openly admitted their campaign against the grizzly hunt was NOT founded upon science, but rather sentiment from their largely city dwelling voting base.
Damn slippery slope that. Wildlife & wild lands should be managed under the guidance of the best science available, not the bizzarro whims of the self entitled latte sippers.

Cheers,
Nog
 
And Here We Go...

"Purchasing the remaining commercial trophy hunting rights in the Great Bear Rainforest, coupled with the province’s ban on grizzly hunting, is a significant step towards our goal of ending all large carnivore trophy hunting on the coast."

"The sale guards against future shifts in government policy that could reverse the ban on grizzly hunting, while also ensuring that trophy hunting interests cannot continue the recreational hunting of black bears, wolves, cougars or wolverine."


https://www.raincoast.org/2017/11/n...arge-carnivores-in-the-great-bear-rainforest/

So out of touch...

Sadly,
Nog

In 1970 pacific harbor seals were protected, dispute there numbers now increasing they remain protected...

Some think wildlife management should be left up to nature Fest/Famine. Don't cull the wolfs let them eat all the caribou, then when the caribou die off the wolfs will die off and caribou will again flourish.

I think humans are they apex predictor and should manage our food sources responsible. We are part of nature, it is our job as the Apex predictor to balance nature and prevent the extremes.
 
Ah Yes. Cristina Mittermeier who along with her crew, filmed the very disturbing (and extremely sensationalist) dying moments of a crippled Polar Bear in order to appeal to the ignorant southern masses about global warming. A shame that the best Polar Bear Scientists in the world immediately called her out for what she is, and the filming as the sham it is. Wouldn't give that self entitled biotch the courtesy of swerving ;)

The notes on the bears, and the Inuit hunting them though are both correct, and fairly relevant. I lived a rather long term in the Western Arctic, and can relate rather strongly. Many of my buddies up there were hunters, and several among the best bear hunters anywhere.

There are many parallels between the Polar Bears, and the Grizzlies of BC.
Fortunately those in the Arctic are still managed via Science, as they should be.
Unfortunately for their southern cousins, science has been tossed out the window...
Effing latte sippers...

Nog
 
Read the news post on the polar bear yesterday, upsetting, more upsetting at the levels some organizations are willing to go too to push their false cause. I read the whole report and the portion of what they were sent out to capture is sad. Thanks GLG for clearing it up on who did the BC grizzly bear scientific survey, as some stated it was NOT the government. Wish all could go see the real truth, not sure if there were government agencies in the countries I visited. Did see military very regularly, paid them the "passage tax". I agree with California that the wave is turning, ill informed people of power making policy on emotion seams to be taking over. Sad day for all species under their control. Its an NDP merry go round, they did same last time they were in. Lets vote the pendulum back and get back to science based wildlife management.

HM
 
Iam not against hunting. Iam not a left wing snowflake, LOL.

We are watching a mis managed industry and its an Animal that is now pushed into very few select habitats from what was vast 100 years ago... So the rainforest protection is fine by me. Jesus F ing Christ you guys.
 
And it's f-ing childish to try and attack someone by calling them Millenial or Leftist. I do not take that route, just opinions here.
 
We are watching a mis managed industry...

Although the Auditor General voiced some criticism regarding grizzly bear management in the report GLG cited, she did not suggest that this resource was being grossly mis-managed. She did propose a set of suggestions for areas of improvement to be incorporated into the overall management program, and actions have already been taken to do so in some cases.

In October 2016, a report written by a panel of independent experts on the provincial Grizzly Bear Harvest Management Procedure, found that the Province has a high level of rigour and adequate safeguards in place to ensure the long-term stability of grizzly populations.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/factsheets/grizzly-bear-management

Pretty well every North American Wildlife Species has lost ground due to settlement and "progress" over the past century. No surprise. Nothing is different for these bears in that case. What is now important is that the populations we have today be managed properly such that they are close to what the habitat can support - a term called carrying capacity. In the case of BC's Grizzly Bears, every study conducted by a reputable team of scientists (we're intentionally leaving the self-serving pseudo-scientist anti's out of this) strongly suggest most populations are stable, and several are growing. All conclude that in much of BC, the available habitat is either at, or very close to supporting it's relative carrying capacity for these large carnivores.

In short, there ain't much room at the inn left for them to fill. When their populations expand (as they will under a no hunt policy) where do you expect them to colonize? Last I heard, they were making any more habitat these days...

The bottlenecks to increased population growth have been clearly identified as not hunting but rather human activities that degrade grizzly bear habitat. Again, they simply are not making more of that these days. What do you suppose people might be willing to give up in order to do so?

Shutting down hunting is a Do-Nothing, Knee Jerk Over-Reaction by a socialist agenda driven government, desperate enough for votes as to twist public sentiment into believing this action will have any real effect. It will, bear effects that is. Not what they would have you believe however. For in very short order the latte sippers will begin to understand that when hunting is removed from the picture, the big bears become a much larger threat to human conflict, and we end up paying directly for an increased CO presence, simply to destroy the bears that hunters once paid into the system for the opportunity of doing so.

With 15,000 Grizzlies in province, the less than 2 percent taken by hunters represent the least of threats these bears face. Their being Iconized by the anti's may end up being the worst...

Cheers,
Nog
 
With 15,000 Grizzlies in province, the less than 2 percent taken by hunters represent the least of threats these bears face. Their being Iconized by the anti's may end up being the worst...

I've went done this rabbit holes with Anti's over wolf/Caribou. They told me that if wolfs eat them self into extinction then its okay because its "natural." Some anti's advocate for no human interference while some advocate for conservation.
 
Well I'm on the fence.I hunt bears and my family eats bear and I don't mind a Effing latte once in a while.
Just a heads up a couple drunken pumpkin lattes makes a hell of a panty remover :rolleyes:
 
I've known the honourable minister of forests my whole life. I'm not convinced he could tell a spruce from a pine. He has made a career though.
 
Okay, I spent 30 minutes reviewing the links and using google. It was enough, although perhaps not enough to remove they label of "ignorant southern effing latte sipper" as I don't agree with Nog... Although I prefer a nice foamy cappuccino.

Not a lot of research, but enough to convince me a trophy hunt for grizzlies is (i) not in the best interests of grizzly bears considering the governments goals but inability to manage well, and, well, bears probably don't like being shot, and (ii) has no meaningful economic benefit to the province.

Not sure that anyone believes our government is capable of managing bears any better than DFO is at managing fish.

Where humans go, we cause the extinction of the largest land based mammals first, and work our way down. I don't see why, without protection, Grizzly bears or bears in general, would be any different.

I'm don't understand what harm protecting grizzlies from trophy hunting could possible do. Other than deprive trophy hunters of trophy HEADS for their DUNGEONS (which just reading makes me cringe).
 
So J-Global, After your research for the past 30 minutes, you are confirming that you support the ban of grizzly hunting (that has been based on decades of peer-reviewed solid scientific evidence of sustainability), and instead, you support the banning of grizzly hunting based on the urban social, emotional ideals?

Really? How sad that is.
 
Don't expect any rational or science based decisions...

As expected, there were none...

"The British Columbia government is bringing an end to the hunting of grizzly bears throughout the province, Doug Donaldson, Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, and George Heyman, Minister of Environment and Climate Change Strategy, announced today."

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2017FLNR0372-002065

And the more than a little scary conclusion:

"The government will also be moving forward with a broader consultation process on a renewed wildlife management strategy for the province in the new year."

Say goodbye to Science under these fools. :eek:

More:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ndp-government-kills-plan-for-food-hunt-of-b-c-grizzly-bears

Nog
 
Finaddict
Let me a bit more clear.

Trophy hunting for the collection of Heads to display Dungeons (how idiotically selfish is that?). THAT IS SO SAD I ALMOST WEEP
-->No, I can't support that.


I don't believe the government can manage 'large carnivore' populations any better than it manages fish stocks. The AGs report makes it clear they aren't.

I love this other post from this thread:
"BC and our Government made the latest Safari news letter, not in a good way. Our way of life will now change, sad day for bears, hunters and BC. I will now add my BC grizzly money to my next African safari. Getting the urge and Zim is calling me back. Hippo/croc next, must do before it all ends. At least some good news, look what Mr Trump has done for the US sportswomen and men=so far awesome."
Or, in other words, Gotta go kill one before their all gone. THAT IS SAD, and that seems to be the logic being used to be Anti-ban
--> NO, I can't support that

I there fore SUPPORT the the banning of trophy grizzly hunting based on my decades of experience with humans in general, our government, and the fact that there IS NO NEED for this hunt.

Finaddict, if you can provide ANY evidence that the Trophy Grizzly Bear Hunt is somehow a necessity OR that it somehow has a significant benefit to the province, I would be willing to read through it an potentially reverse my opinion. In the absence of such, YES, I support banning trophy grizzly hunting.
 
... If you can provide ANY evidence that the Trophy Grizzly Bear Hunt is somehow a necessity OR that it somehow has a significant benefit to the province, I would be willing to read through it an potentially reverse my opinion. In the absence of such, YES, I support banning trophy grizzly hunting.

Please check your emotions & latte at the door...

I will answer your request, but as I am pre-occupied with other matters, it may take a little time.

For starters, I would strongly suggest that managing ANY wild resource via emotion over science is dreadfully wrong. Very slippery slope, and definitely catering to the ignorant uninformed urban voting base.

For our first instance: One tool provincial biologists have in their tool kit of wildlife management has just been destroyed. Happy about that? Don't understand what I mean?? Well let's say there is a region where a certain ungulate is experiencing a dramatic population drop. Biologists discover that it's due to low recruitment secondary to grizzly depredation on calves. Solution - increase the grizzly harvest to try and mitigate the downward spiral...

And just because this socialist government makes an announcement "ending" the Grizzly Hunt does not make it so...

Of the registered Grizzly Bear Hunt Outfitters in BC, TWENTY-SIX (including by far the largest) are owned and operated by First Nations. Anyone that thinks these hunts have just been stopped should give their head a very serious shake! Must be nice to have complete control of the access to these hunts, and apparently this misguided "government" as well...

More to follow as I get some moments freed up...

Nog
 
Not that it matters much now but the
ban was kicked around by the Lib's as well but never implemented.
Many people on the forum couldn't wait for the NDP to take over and now
the ban has happened.
 
Sadly poaching is increasing as with the population. its a small protection in place on an animal not responding well to human encroachment. ....

We have guns and ammo stores on #3road in richmond in full Chinese. Then google the amount of poachers caught with names like "xi jiping" and maybe take your fight someplace else.
 
Finaddict
I there fore SUPPORT the the banning of trophy grizzly hunting based on my decades of experience with humans in general, our government, and the fact that there IS NO NEED for this hunt.

Finaddict, if you can provide ANY evidence that the Trophy Grizzly Bear Hunt is somehow a necessity OR that it somehow has a significant benefit to the province, I would be willing to read through it an potentially reverse my opinion. In the absence of such, YES, I support banning trophy grizzly hunting.
Nothing in this statement contradicts my original assessment that you are basing your position on emotion and not on science. I refute the "Trophy" definition of any hunting as the definition is so vague as to be useless other than as sensationalistic firecracker used to trigger emotion. Gbears are a resource, same as deer, elk, salmon or any other harvested wildlife species. Their management and the level of sustainability are assessed and evaluated by highly skilled biologists who are recognized experts in this field. Their DNA analysis along with all other methodologies are recognized and applauded by wildlife management regimes all around the world. I'll take that practice over emotionally based knee jerk reactions of soccer moms and urbanites who haven't the foggiest notion of what wildlife management is all about. If you choose to base your position on the same justifications, then you too choose to view our habitat management units with a simple ideology that these populations will manage themselves or are not intrinsically connected to all other populations in the ecosystem . And yes, if left unaffected by all other forms of human interaction, and wild lands usage, they could do that . But unfortunately the world isn't quite so simplistic, and other resource users are still going to be out there utilizing the vast resources of this land. And in doing so interactions with Gbears, good and bad will still happen. GBear populations are stable and growing in most of these M.U.'s (not my words, see Auditor general's assessment October 2017). The greatest threats to GBears are all the other human activities in their habitats. (also the AG's comments).

Justify grizzly bear hunting? No need. It would be akin to saying I have to justify EVERY resource usage out there, fauna, flora or mineral. To require that I justify the hunting of Gbears and not any other animal displays the simplistic approach to habitat and wildlife management that we no longer have the luxury to use.
 
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