Are you asking me to 'fess up? If so, you haven't read my posts, lol!Haha. No wonder people
Distrust the fish farm industry. Just can't give a straight answer. Typical smoke and mirrors. if your a supporter fess up. Only reason not to is shame.
Are you asking me to 'fess up? If so, you haven't read my posts, lol!Haha. No wonder people
Distrust the fish farm industry. Just can't give a straight answer. Typical smoke and mirrors. if your a supporter fess up. Only reason not to is shame.
Be pretty awesome if the general public got this fired up about the main issues these fish are facing....NETS!!!!!
While yes there is some issues with farms, at least with them it's an easy fix- landlocked lakes. What about the Campbell river band who is raising them in pens on land? Can't remember the whole story, maybe someone can provide a link.
Once again I did not suggest nor does the video report those rotten dead fish in the Mort tote were anything other than farm fish. If you however have information to the contrary please provide the details. ThanksHow much do you know about those fish in those totes? As for dumping, have you ever seen a repitch pile of salmon carcasses on the riverbank or a pool in a salmon spawning stream with salmon carcasses at the bottom? What do think happens to those carcasses and what do you think is creeping in them? I admit that maggots are gross, but how do you think they get in those carcasses?
Although the video was intended to show this First Nations opposition to fish farms in their traditional territory without their consent the piece about these fish in these totes is filled with misinformation and highly dramatic meant to incite fear amongst First Nations, but does little to actually inform them or the general public. Identifying these as wild salmon from bones in a tote with rotting fish is laughable - not much else to say. Whether you agree or disagree with salmon farming in BC I find it hard to defend this Sea Shepard venture as legitimate science which in my opinion has done zero to further our knowledge about what folks want to know.
Are you asking me to 'fess up? If so, you haven't read my posts, lol!
I posted the source back in the first page of this thread. Here it is again:Once again I did not suggest nor does the video report those rotten dead fish in the Mort tote were anything other than farm fish. If you however have information to the contrary please provide the details. Thanks
You seem so intrigued by my apparent support for fish farms so I will respond to your inquiries. I'm not against net pen fish farming in BC but I'm also not against closed containment either or its development into something more wide scale. My opposition is primarily at the biological conclusions/claims (specifically with Pacific Salmon) made by fish farm critics in order to make their case. Case in point these alleged wild salmon in these totes. Nothing more than propaganda. I don't see anyone here call that out. Would that be some bias?All depends on one's point of view, whether you support net pen fish farms or not. Shuswap by his/her previous posts on this forum definitely supports fish farms. To deny that is not being a 'supporter of actual facts on the subject'.
You seem so intrigued by my apparent support for fish farms so I will respond to your inquiries. I'm not against net pen fish farming in BC but I'm also not against closed containment either or its development into something more wide scale. My opposition is primarily at the biological conclusions/claims (specifically with Pacific Salmon) made by fish farm critics in order to make their case. Case in point these alleged wild salmon in these totes. Nothing more than propaganda. I don't see anyone here call that out. Would that be some bias?
I don't agree with Morton's tactics or how she goes about her "scientific" work. I cannot nod my head in unison with others here that figure that she is a knowledgeable authority. I can go into numerous examples where she doesn't know what she's talking. In addition, I also try see the current issues much broader than most fish farm critics seem to want to do. I feel solely focusing on fish farms and implying that their removal will bring the wild salmon back in droves is similar to a snake oil salesman saying that their tonic is the secret cure for whatever ails you. Lastly, I support the current research (i.e. Fish Health Initiative) going on and not quasi science done from a sailboat which misinforms the public. I'm not going to reply on every fish farm thread but when I read the observations on the fish in this fish tote it has to be called out.
Putting the "fish tote" issue aside, most would agree the eviction notice by the first nations people asking for the fish farms to be removed should send a clear message to the Fish Farms. Agreed?
Putting the "fish tote" issue aside, most would agree the eviction notice by the first nations people asking for the fish farms to be removed should send a clear message to the Fish Farms. Agreed?
You seem so intrigued by my apparent support for fish farms so I will respond to your inquiries. I'm not against net pen fish farming in BC but I'm also not against closed containment either or its development into something more wide scale. My opposition is primarily at the biological conclusions/claims (specifically with Pacific Salmon) made by fish farm critics in order to make their case. Case in point these alleged wild salmon in these totes. Nothing more than propaganda. I don't see anyone here call that out. Would that be some bias?
I don't agree with Morton's tactics or how she goes about her "scientific" work. I cannot nod my head in unison with others here that figure that she is a knowledgeable authority. I can go into numerous examples where she doesn't know what she's talking. In addition, I also try see the current issues much broader than most fish farm critics seem to want to do. I feel solely focusing on fish farms and implying that their removal will bring the wild salmon back in droves is similar to a snake oil salesman saying that their tonic is the secret cure for whatever ails you. Lastly, I support the current research (i.e. Fish Health Initiative) going on and not quasi science done from a sailboat which misinforms the public. I'm not going to reply on every fish farm thread but when I read the observations on the fish in this fish tote it has to be called out.
Nope, ya got it wrong! My posts where about pointing out people saying they do not have any bias on this issue when they obviously do. I have a bias, and make no bones about it, just like you do BN and many others on the forum on this issue. There is no problem with people who have a bias (it is the most common position for us humans), my issue here was about those who say they don't have a bias, when they do.Funny how on this forum anonymity is paramount unless you speak of facts which may be for salmon aquaculture, then the facts get pushed aside and it becomes all about bias and what your background is etc etc. If you don't like the facts then go at the facts. In this case it would seem that AM's "science" is what this eviction thing is based on and it isn't very credible.
Nope, ya got it wrong! My posts where about pointing out people saying they do not have any bias on this issue when they obviously do. I have a bias, and make no bones about it, just like you do BN and many others on the forum on this issue. There is no problem with people who have a bias (it is the most common position for us humans), my issue here was about those who say they don't have a bias, when they do.
So please tell me how I am wrong about people's bias on this issue. Should be entertaining to hear this...I think you may be wrong about who is bias and who isn't. Never the less bringing it up all the time is a complete deflection of from the facts in the discussion IMO.
You are right, whitebuck. It sure is. Pros and cons on both sides of that argument, though. depends on stock assessment info and management regimes.Dave, netting in terminal areas is a lot different than rec guys at the lodges who are targeting stocks from California to Alaska.No comparison.
Agree with most of your post Shuswap - this part however - is stretching it. Think about it...As for the use of drones....Well how do you think fish would react to birds flying overhead, like in a hatchery? If fish are already stressed from from other factors it certainly doesn't help matters.
Funny how on this forum anonymity is paramount unless you speak of facts which may be for salmon aquaculture, then the facts get pushed aside and it becomes all about bias and what your background is etc etc. If you don't like the facts then go at the facts. In this case it would seem that AM's "science" is what this eviction thing is based on and it isn't very credible.
Putting the "fish tote" issue aside, most would agree the eviction notice by the first nations people asking for the fish farms to be removed should send a clear message to the Fish Farms. Agreed?