Would also be great if certain bands in the lower Fraser got media attention on how they went way over their sockeye allotment and how now the up-river bands will be SOL on getting there food fish that they actually eat and not sell
So please tell me how I am wrong about people's bias on this issue. Should be entertaining to hear this...
The issue legally is there is no consent to have farm fish polluting their pantry, similarly to no consent for enbridge and no consent for the flooding of the Peace River for unneeded electricity. Hopefully the courts will rule in favor of the First Nations, the environment and the public at large. Thats the whole story unless you got proof to the contrary.Interesting post. One one hand you support the first nations in managing there resources the way they want in there territory(evicting fish farms) then on the other hand you criticize how they are managing their resources the way they want in another section.
I think its pretty clear that Dave and Steve have never profited from salmon farming in bc. You accuse them of being bias and I think your wrong. It is clear to me that you don't have much to contradict the info they bring to the table here so you say their bias so you don't have to respond to the actual information they provide.
Again it is likely that we are not getting the whole story. What we have seen is some a video kind ceremony which confronts a random staff member of that company on a fish farm from a small handful of individuals who claim to be members of the local band. Thats about it. I would find it hard to believe that is wasn't produced and edited by the same group from the mv sheen and morton clan who are on a virus hunt but seem to be mostly distracted my mort totes and how smelly they are and ewe maggots etc. The only connection would the the poster on utube. Not that it maters I'm just saying its clear they are not doing this independently.
I wonder who's idea it was for these native to execute this eviction. I know that here in tofino when the ahousats were held up on the fish farm that was being anchored morton and others(some career activists) couldnt get out here soon enough to get credit. Some of the locals were supper pissed that they showed up and did not want them their in the protest.
. I know that here in tofino when the ahousats were held up on the fish farm that was being anchored .
I didn't know the Ahousats in Tofino were apposed to fish farms...was there some kind of sit in?
please tell me more.
Interesting post. One one hand you support the first nations in managing there resources the way they want in there territory(evicting fish farms) then on the other hand you criticize how they are managing their resources the way they want in another section.
I think its pretty clear that Dave and Steve have never profited from salmon farming in bc. You accuse them of being bias and I think your wrong. It is clear to me that you don't have much to contradict the info they bring to the table here so you say their bias so you don't have to respond to the actual information they provide.
Again it is likely that we are not getting the whole story. What we have seen is some a video kind ceremony which confronts a random staff member of that company on a fish farm from a small handful of individuals who claim to be members of the local band. Thats about it. I would find it hard to believe that is wasn't produced and edited by the same group from the mv sheen and morton clan who are on a virus hunt but seem to be mostly distracted my mort totes and how smelly they are and ewe maggots etc. The only connection would the the poster on utube. Not that it maters I'm just saying its clear they are not doing this independently.
I wonder who's idea it was for these native to execute this eviction. I know that here in tofino when the ahousats were held up on the fish farm that was being anchored morton and others(some career activists) couldnt get out here soon enough to get credit. Some of the locals were supper pissed that they showed up and did not want them their in the protest.
Again you get it wrong. My whole point in this thread is this. Dave says Shuswap has no bias for or against fish farms (i.e. he is neutral on the topic). I and others on the forum say this is not true. Why. Very simple, he does not point out any errors or problems with the net pen fish farming industry. So..., we say he has a bias of supporting fish farms and is not neutral on this controversial industry. It is not an issue if anyone has profited from fish farms, but about being honest about their bias on this issue. I cannot make my point any simpler than this.
Well if that's the case then logic and common sense would dictate you're biased so what's your point - really? Never said anything about being biased or neutral on this. I'm just not going to go along with conclusions and claims that are wrong just so I can appear "unbiased" and get tons of likes and be everyone's buddy. That's not how I roll. If that makes me biased then guilty as charged.A reasonable reply, but kinda misses the point here. Logic and common sense would dictate that unless one puts a similar amount of effort into pointing out the problems with net pen salmon farms trying to say one is unbiased or neutral on this issue rings hollow. You say above you are not against net pen farm fishing and in doing this and not pointing out any problems with the net open industry, you clearly display your bias to support this industry - which was my point in the first place.
Explain. Having worked at fish hatcheries I would say that I'm not. If a drone is flying over fish why would they be any different from a bird flying over fish. Think about it...Agree with most of your post Shuswap - this part however - is stretching it. Think about it...
Shuswaps done a good job of deflecting the issue of the FN's wanting the fish farms out of their territory and having people try to concentrate on whether a few fish in the tote are wild salmon or invasive atlantic species.
the real issue and important issue is the first nations want the fish farms out of their territories for many of the same reasons as these First Nations mentioned in a quote below do that support the First Nations this thread is about. these are also the same issues that most people that have looked into this industry and see the way it operates and what damages it has done here and to other countries as well, would like to quell.
This is an industry that is using our salmon migration routes as it's sewage dump because it's easier and cheaper than setting up shop on land. But that's OK with Shuswap. He say's he's not against open pen fish farms but won't come out and say he supports them. I think most that have read his posts would come to the conclusion he's for them and supports them.
these are the more important reasons (see quote below) the First Nations want fish farms out of their territories. I don't see mention of any species in totes in the eviction notices but Shuswap would like us to see that as the main issue or focus in this thread.
good job Shuswap.
Fortunately, I don't think most buy the koolaid you and your industry and big government are selling. We can see the big picture and can see the damage these farms are having on our environment and wild salmon runs...
I am not too concerned about your concerns about my biases because it sort of like the pot calling the kettle black. I said all I need to on this. If you want to talk about these problems then feel free but be prepared for push back if you go off with rhetoric and false claims.Again you get it wrong. My whole point in this thread is this. Dave says Shuswap has no bias for or against fish farms (i.e. he is neutral on the topic). I and others on the forum say this is not true. Why. Very simple, he does not point out any errors or problems with the net pen fish farming industry. So..., we say he has a bias of supporting fish farms and is not neutral on this controversial industry. It is not an issue if anyone has profited from fish farms, but about being honest about their bias on this issue. I cannot make my point any simpler than this.
Many agree Trump will make a great president.......Putting the "fish tote" issue aside, most would agree the eviction notice by the first nations people asking for the fish farms to be removed should send a clear message to the Fish Farms. Agreed?
Wow Shuswap! I consider that your post is enlightening - in that it explains a lot about why you support open net-pens in the marine environment. If you confuse your experience wrt freshwater hatcheries and subsequently transpose that limited experience as appropriate in understanding the marine environment and how fish farms interact with that environment - well frankly - that explains the reason for that confusion to me.Explain. Having worked at fish hatcheries I would say that I'm not. If a drone is flying over fish why would they be any different from a bird flying over fish. Think about it...
It is obvious to all where your bias lies now. Your response here again is in line for a net pen, salmon feedlot supporter. Thanks for the further confirmation and clearing up any uncertainty on this issue.I am not too concerned about your concerns about my biases because it sort of like the pot calling the kettle black. I said all I need to on this. If you want to talk about these problems then feel free but be prepared for push back if you go off with rhetoric and false claims.
Thanks for clearly demonstrating your simplicity.