Liberal Firearm Committee Announced

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Looks like we got raped with the new bill
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I would not go quite that far.
I will however say that NOTHING in Bill C - 71 targets gang violence nor criminal activities with firearms.
And again, if proper policing, and even more notably proper sentencing where firearms are present during criminal activities were to be paid anything more than lip service, it would go one hell of a lot further than anything this idiotic government has presented. Really.
Once again the focus is on LEGAL Owners, and not on Criminals where it should be.

Some of the "facts" Goodale spouted as the reasons behind his proposed legislation are out to lunch.
You can actually see him flinch when he states these as supposed "fact".
Someone will shortly be calling him to task for that, so I'll post once that is in hand.

Most of what is being proposed already exists in some form or another under current law.

One of the falsehoods hes states is that currently you do not have to present a firearms license to purchase non-restricted guns or ammunition.
A complete falsehood. A LIE in other words.

Background checks for license applications also exists.
Goodale's version of "enhancing" that is to allow searches to go back for the applicant's entire lifetime instead of the current five.
Whoop-de-loo. Another grandstanding act while actually doing nothing move.

Here's where it starts to become contentious...

The Liberals are moving the Classification of firearms among the three current classes over entirely to the RCMP, with no legislative fallback position. They claim they will still produce the rules the RCMP have to follow in that regard, but we have all seen just what a miserable failure that has been to date. Given free reign, expect this to get worse. Much Worse.
First up the Swiss & Israeli semi automatic rifles the mounties did not like the looks of last year so they moved them into the Prohibited category. The Conservatives over-ruled that as they recognized firearms chiefly should not be classed on looks alone. Now the Liberals are removing both that power, and the order from the Cons last year, once again making those firearms Prohibited.

They also propose to make restricted firearms owners secure a paper Authorization To Transport (ATT) each and every time they wish to take the gun to a gunsmith, a gun show, a border or anywhere else beyond the closest range and their house. More than a little onerous, and definitely NOT a real concern. Nor does it in any way effect criminal misuse of this class of firearms whatsoever. Just more paperwork, just more badgering and making it a little tougher for legal ownership.

And lastly, although the Liberals swear up and down they are not creating another version of the failed Firearm Registry, they in fact are doing so with the new requirement for any and all vendors to record firearm make, model serial number and Licensee License number, Name, Address, date of purchase etc.
A Registry by any other name is still a Registry...

What the Liberals fail to take into account at this juncture is the fact that without fail, every govt that has brought in major changes to Canada's gun laws were shown to the curb the following election. The saying "those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it". I very much hope this proves out once again, and we kick these idiots out on their collective asses the next time we hit the polls...

The link to the news story is here:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fed...boost-license-checks-record-keeping-1.3850133

The link to the Bill including direct links to all of it's contents is here:

http://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&billId=9710291

My reaction today was to purchase a new Colt 1911, and a new AR-15. ;)

Cheers,
Nog
 
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Campaign #1 - Our Resolve
The Liberal government has introduced Bill C-71. This bill is their trial balloon, their test of our resolve. If we fail to push back hard there will be more coming. We will be their whipping boy to satisfy the demands of the Coalition for Gun Control and Poly Remembers. We must not wait until the prohibitions start. We must let them know that we are united, motivated and angry. We must let them know the size of our voting block and our determination to wield that voting block to punish them for using us a low hanging fruit to satisfy the demands of a few gun grabbers. We must speak in one clear voice that will shake them to the core!

Join Us & Take Action Folks!!

http://oneclearvoice.ca/

Cheers & THANKS!
Nog
 
March 20, 2018 9:57 am
Reality Check: What do the changes to Canadian gun laws mean for you?
By Amanda Connolly National Online Journalist Global News
https://globalnews.ca/news/4094224/reality-check-gun-laws-changes/

POLITICS
03/20/2018 11:02 EDT | Updated 1 hour ago
Liberals' Gun Control Bill To Repeal Measures Passed By Previous Conservative Government
Gun-sellers will be required to keep records for at least 20 years.
Canadian Press
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/0...rudeau_a_23390578/?ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001
 
A call for those who voted liberal. I am confused again by the Liberals, I need help. Can someone on this site who voted Liberal please explain to me how in detail that the new rules will make guns harder to get for the criminals, and how these new rules make the Canadian public safer.

Thanks

HM
 
halimark said:
A call for those who voted liberal. I am confused again by the Liberals, I need help. Can someone on this site who voted Liberal please explain to me how in detail that the new rules will make guns harder to get for the criminals, and how these new rules make the Canadian public safer.

Thanks

HM
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It’s maybe the main reason I shifted from center-Left to center-right a number of years ago. The Left seems to have thrown out any sense of rationality and legislate with an emotional, group think mentality.

It’s all about what group you have been designated to belong to. Your aren’t a good, law abiding, community orientated citizen that happens to own a firearm, your a Gun owner and your part of the problem.
 
I am going to present a case by case review of the pertinent issues contained in the new proposed Bill C - 71

First up - Regarding the Registry the Liberals continue to lie about not creating.

Re: Individuals:

When you sell a gun, you have to get an authorization number from CFC to track the purchase. That authorization number will follow that gun and new owner, and CFC now has a record of who owns the firearm in perpetuity.

Authorization to transfer non-restricted firearms

23 (1) A person may transfer a non-restricted firearm if, at the time of the transfer,
(a) the transferee holds a licence authorizing the transferee to acquire and possess a non-restricted firearm;
(b) the Registrar has, at the transferor’s request, issued a reference number for the transfer and provided it to the transferor; and
(c) the reference number is still valid.

Regarding Store / Business Sales:

58.‍1(1)A chief firearms officer who issues a licence to a business must attach the following conditions to the licence:
(a)the business must record and, for the prescribed period, keep the prescribed information that relates to the business’ possession and disposal of non-restricted firearms;
(b)the business must record and — for a period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non-restricted firearm, or for a longer period that may be prescribed — keep the following information in respect of the transfer:
(i)the reference number issued by the Registrar,
(ii)the day on which the reference number was issued,
(iii)the transferee’s licence number, and
(iv)the firearm’s make, model and type and, if any, its serial number; and
(c)the business must, unless otherwise directed by a chief firearms officer, transmit any records containing the information referred to in paragraph (a) or (b) to a prescribed official if it is determined that the business will cease to be a business.

Amendments to the Act that ended the previous long gun registry:

Ending the Long-gun Registry Act

Amendments to the Act

2015, c. 36, s. 230

23 (1) Subsection 29(3) of the Ending the Long-gun Registry Act is deemed never to have been amended by section 230 of the Economic Action Plan 2015 Act, No. 1.

2015, c. 36, s. 230

(2) Subsections 29(4) to (7) of the Ending the Long-gun Registry Act are deemed never to have come into force and are repealed.

2015, c. 36, s. 231

24 Section 30 of the Ending the Long-gun Registry Act is deemed never to have come into force and is repealed.

What this means is the liberals are nullifying the Act that abolished the previous Registry, which intentionally gives them room to re-work the Registry and bring it back to full application. It further allows the government to retain the long gun registry data which was supposedly destroyed years ago (yet obviously and illegally has been held in secret to this point).

In summary, what Bill C - 71 proposes is nothing short of creating a new Registry, and leaves the door open for expansion of the same. Goodale can deny this all he wants, lying is after all what most politicians do best.

Goodale also insists that RCMP will not have access to the Business record Registry (note the deafening silence regarding the CFC Records / Registry regarding Private Sales) without a warrant. This is either a lie or a fairly major oversight, because section 102 of the Firearms Act allows for inspection of a businesses records on fairly broad basis, including copying details. These records will be easily available to the CFO, and subsequently to the RCMP sans any discussion of a warrant. There are far too many relevant cases of historical abuse to cite here. Suffice it to say that serious questions exist regarding the validity of Goodale's statements in this regard, as well as the RCMP's compliance with the same.

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Second: The case of "enhanced" background checks.

Let me first note that I am not opposed, and actually in favor of background checks for people requesting a Firearm License or renewing the same. Within Reason.

Part 1 of this Act amends the Firearms Act to, among other things,
(a)remove the reference to the five-year period, set out in subsection 5(2) of that Act, that applies to the mandatory consideration of certain eligibility criteria for holding a licence;

Elimination of the 5 year criteria for considering eligibility is concerning. Virtually all firearm owners at one point have lost a job, suffered a breakdown of a relationship, etc. This sets up an extremely wide range of excuses to deny License applications or renewals. A fight in high school 20 years ago, the boss you told off and walked off the job 20 years ago, that prescription a doctor wrote you 20 years ago... all of these could lead to ineligibility and revocation by the letter of the law.

Goodale himself openly admits that such "transgressions" even twenty years old or older will now "have to be taken into consideration" in every case.

Far reaching, quite onerous, and appears to be explicitly designed to deny as many applicants as possible on negligible and seriously dated grounds.

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Third: Transferring the Classification of Firearms among the three current classes over Entirely to the RCMP

Part 1 also amends the Criminal Code to repeal the authority of the Governor in Council to prescribe by regulation that a prohibited or restricted firearm be a non-restricted firearm or that a prohibited firearm be a restricted firearm and, in consequence, the Part

(a)repeals certain provisions of regulations made under the Criminal Code...

To be clear: This is not a component aimed at allowing the RCMP to re-reclassify the Swiss Arms and CZ858 rifles. That ability was granted to the RCMP when the government rescinded Minister Blaney’s directive protecting said rifles in 2016. As a result, we can infer that this component is more sweeping, and looks to fully remove all government oversight over firearms classification. This move represents a gross abdication of the government’s responsibility to the electorate.

Moving forward we can expect the RCMP to classify firearms based on the legislation dictating their classification. Unfortunately, the legislation dictating prohibited and restricted classes both conclude with the unfortunate catch-all lines “a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a [restricted or prohibited] firearm.” In other words, the legislation the RCMP will be forced to adhere to does not force them to adhere to any actual limitations when making their determinations. The RCMP can (and will) simply prescribe a currently non-restricted firearm to be prohibited, and so it shall be, with no oversight on these decisions coming from the Ministry of Public Safety.

Beyond the lack of oversight, the possibility of reclassifying any firearm once the RCMP have decided where they want it to sit becomes impossible. There will be NO fallback mechanism whatsoever.

Section 12 is further amended by creating a new blanket grandfathering clause that can be done by regulation. This suggests that the current government may intend to prohibit more firearms in future. However, it also suggests that they may grandfather in existing owners. This is a big warning sign for gun owners going forward. These firearms will also be excluded from the automatic ATT provisions. However, the new category of grandfathered firearms are not necessarily barred from being issued an ATT. This creates an uneven patchwork of laws that is exactly the opposite direction our firearms laws should be going.

FAR too sweeping powers afforded to the entity that has already shown it is predisposed to prohibitions based upon "looks" alone. All semi automatic hunting rifles and shotguns share the same action as pretty well every semi-automatic currently on the Restricted & Prohibited List. This leaves the door wide open for those hunting tools to also be subject of increasingly restrictive classifications, based solely upon the whim of the RCMP.

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Fourth: Changes to the Authorization To Transport (ATT) Permits Process

Part 1 of this Act amends the Firearms Act to, among other things,

(c)remove certain automatic authorizations to transport prohibited and restricted firearms.

Automatic ATTs for prohibited firearms are being stricken, meaning they can not be taken to ranges. Those who have 12(6) firearms (short-barreled handguns) and who have registered as collectors will also not be issued an ATT that allows range trips for those firearms.

Automatic ATT's for restricted firearms (handguns, AR-15's etc) will only be issued for the purpose of taking them from the place of purchase to one's home, and to and return from the nearest gun range. Trips to gunsmiths, gun shops, gun shows, out of province ranges, or border crossings will have to be issued an ATT on an individual and by case basis.

The decision to reduce the scope of the LTATT again seems to be little more than a measure aimed at adding additional layers of bureaucracy to the process of owning guns. No criminal has ever obtained an ATT to use a gun for a criminal act. Shootings are not carried out in the locations existing LTATT verbiage allows guns to be transported to (when was the last time you heard about a shooting in a gun shop, gun smith’s, or border crossing?). This is pure and unadulterated lip service for those voters that do no know what the existing laws are, with a side of making gun ownership more onerous, and less appealing to would-be sport shooters.

All current ATT's will become null and void the day this Bill passes. That will create a backlog at the Chief Firearms' Officer Office the like of which has never seen seen before. It will literally take months upon months to clear that, and for the full duration, legally licensed firearms owners will be prevented from taking their firearms out of their homes for any purpose whatsoever. This too is intentional, creating yet one more deterrent for aspiring and active sports shooters.

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Again, here is the link to the bill itself: http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-71/first-reading

There is absolutely NOTHING in what the liberals propose designed to target gangs, gang violence, or even firearm violence in general. Nothing.

In fact is has been carefully crafted to be disruptive and onerous on legal firearm ownership in Canada. This is intentional, and fits well with the Trudeau government's continuing anti-gun stance. It is obvious that the effects of loading the Liberal Firearms Committee with anti-gun personnel also worked well with their overall agenda of making firearm ownership as problematic as possible.

At this point, the door is now open for much wider sweeping bans to be imposed, and the RCMP are gleefully lining up to do just that. With no possibility of reversing any decision they make in error.

Hand in hand with this announcement was the notice given that UN Marking Requirements would be introduced at another time down the road. The UN itself has declared numerous times it wants to see all firearms taken from the hands of citizens, and only in the hands of police and military (and of course the criminals which they choose to conveniently forget). Trudeau is catering to them for a position that will not be forthcoming. He has failed in that attempt as he has in so many others. Yet we are supposed to march forward with compliance with the UN Marking Program. Every single firearm made today bears a Serial Number that is traceable world wide. But the UN and Trudeau want to see more numbers engraved onto guns to make them even more track-able. Yeah, that's about as stupid in function as it is simply saying it: A complete waste of time and money - Something else Trudeau is damn good at.

The bill as presented in an utter and complete FAILURE in terms of addressing what the politicos publicly voice the reasons for it's development. It does on the other hand suit their ongoing agenda of driving honest people away from firearm ownership, and that apparently suits them just fine.

There is a site I posted previously through which you can voice your discontent with these developments to those that need to hear them. I added in the following in the Email and letters I have already sent:

Another thing for you to consider regarding history. The saying that those who fail to learn and understand history are doomed to repeat it is truer than most will ever realize. Realize this: Without fail, every government that has brought in major changes to Canada's gun laws were shown to the curb the following election. Is that where you wish to end up in 2019?

Once again here is that link: http://oneclearvoice.ca/

And a little piece of advice for any owners feeling the heat. Insurance can be a damn useful tool under the right conditions:

https://firearmrights.ca/en/insurance/

In closing, Trudeau's government slipped a little more in the polls yesterday - likely some of it due to the introduction of this extremely poorly thought out bill. One can hope that trend continues...

Cheers,
Nog
 
Minister Goodale met with stakeholders and experts from across the country weeks ago at the Summit on Gun & Gang Violence to look at ways to combat the ever-growing issue of gang crime plaguing our nation. While we support the Minister’s efforts to look at the actual public safety risks of gang violence, we are left wondering why this bill literally only affects Canada’s most vetted, proven-safe citizens, legal firearms owners.

https://firearmrights.ca/en/c-71-targets-canadas-most-vetted-citizens/

We are all left to wonder here...
Nog
 
IronNoggin said:
Third: Transferring the Classification of Firearms among the three current classes over Entirely to the RCMP

Part 1 also amends the Criminal Code to repeal the authority of the Governor in Council to prescribe by regulation that a prohibited or restricted firearm be a non-restricted firearm or that a prohibited firearm be a restricted firearm and, in consequence, the Part

(a)repeals certain provisions of regulations made under the Criminal Code...

To be clear: This is not a component aimed at allowing the RCMP to re-reclassify the Swiss Arms and CZ858 rifles. That ability was granted to the RCMP when the government rescinded Minister Blaney’s directive protecting said rifles in 2016. As a result, we can infer that this component is more sweeping, and looks to fully remove all government oversight over firearms classification. This move represents a gross abdication of the government’s responsibility to the electorate.

Moving forward we can expect the RCMP to classify firearms based on the legislation dictating their classification. Unfortunately, the legislation dictating prohibited and restricted classes both conclude with the unfortunate catch-all lines “a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a [restricted or prohibited] firearm.” In other words, the legislation the RCMP will be forced to adhere to does not force them to adhere to any actual limitations when making their determinations. The RCMP can (and will) simply prescribe a currently non-restricted firearm to be prohibited, and so it shall be, with no oversight on these decisions coming from the Ministry of Public Safety.

Beyond the lack of oversight, the possibility of reclassifying any firearm once the RCMP have decided where they want it to sit becomes impossible. There will be NO fallback mechanism whatsoever.

Section 12 is further amended by creating a new blanket grandfathering clause that can be done by regulation. This suggests that the current government may intend to prohibit more firearms in future. However, it also suggests that they may grandfather in existing owners. This is a big warning sign for gun owners going forward. These firearms will also be excluded from the automatic ATT provisions. However, the new category of grandfathered firearms are not necessarily barred from being issued an ATT. This creates an uneven patchwork of laws that is exactly the opposite direction our firearms laws should be going.

FAR too sweeping powers afforded to the entity that has already shown it is predisposed to prohibitions based upon "looks" alone. All semi automatic hunting rifles and shotguns share the same action as pretty well every semi-automatic currently on the Restricted & Prohibited List. This leaves the door wide open for those hunting tools to also be subject of increasingly restrictive classifications, based solely upon the whim of the RCMP.

More to come...
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This is the scary one!
New prohibited grandfathered class that I'm sure the RCMP will add to....
 
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