Inheriting Firearms?

tasu

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Hi all...
My father passed away 2 years ago and left me a couple of rifles and shotguns (registered). At present I am still looking for the damn key to the gun cabinet:(
My question is: Do you require an FAC to take possesion of inherited firearms? I do the the possesion only card, but no FAC.

Thanks.
 
as far as i remember in the pal course i just finished, someone was in the same position as you so we talked about it for a bit and no, you DO NOT need a pal (fac) license to take possession of guns if inherited. the instructor suggested you print that off this law from online and bring it with you to (i assume the police have them?) as many of them are mis-informed on the laws regarding these specific situations. Im sure this can all be found on the firearm registration website


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Thanks Nedard2.
I went to the site and it says I have to have a "PAL" in order to obtain the firearms, probably have to re-register in my name and give the feds some more of my hard earned loot!
Nothing is simple anymore [V]
 
Different stories from different places...... I was told that IF I DIDN"T have the aquisition, just the possession, I can have the guns I own, but can't purchase, trade or be "gifted" and firearms of any sort......

Phone and get it from the "horses" mouth and let us know the outcome!

Mike
 
quote:Originally posted by tasu

Thanks Nedard2.
I went to the site and it says I have to have a "PAL" in order to obtain the firearms, probably have to re-register in my name and give the feds some more of my hard earned loot!
Nothing is simple anymore [V]

if you are the inheritor of an estate you CAN get the firearms. Email Mike Flatt, hes the instructor of the course at
mike.flatt@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

he'll be able to give you any and all answers.

"Estate laws may vary from province to province. However, as a common principle of law, an executor of an estate generally has the same rights as the deceased had to possess firearms while the estate is being settled. Therefore, even if you are not personally licensed to possess firearms, you can generally possess a firearm left in an estate for a reasonable amount of time while the estate is being settled. "


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Within the next few days the House of Commons is voting on whether or not to scrap the long gun registry. The Conservatives want to do away with it but the Liberals and NDP want to keep it. It will be a very close vote. Wait and watch the news for the results or google "long gun registry"
 
http://www.nfa.ca/node/153



INHERITANCE AND TODAY'S LAWS

Legal Issues

You have the unfortunate duty of telling a woman that her husband was
killed in a hunting accident. Obviously, the man possessed firearms.
What does the law say must happen to the firearm the man was carrying, and any other firearms he owned, upon his death?

The phrase, "by operation of law", means the automatic transfer of legal possession from the deceased to the executor of his estate, as a part of the estate, at the moment of death.

This will help you to understand what you should and should not do:


Firearms
Act section [FA s.] 112(1) says, ".. every person.. who...possesses
[any unrestricted firearm] without being the holder of a registration
certificate [covering it is guilty of an offence]..."

But -- FA s. 112(2) says, "(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to...(b) a person who comes into possession of a firearm by operation of law..." (as an executor does).

CC
S. 91(1) says, "...every person...who possesses [any] firearm [is
guilty of an offence] unless the person is the holder of (a) a licence
[covering it]...and (b) a registration certificate [covering it]..."

And
CC S. 91 (2) says, "...every person...who possesses a prohibited
weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, or any prohibited
ammunition [is guilty of an offence] unless the person is the holder of
a licence [covering it]..."

But -- CC s.91 (4)(b) says, "Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply
to (b) a person who comes into possession of a firearm, a prohibited
weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited
ammunition by operation of law..."

CC
s. 92(1), 92(2), and 92(4)(b) say much the same thing, and cover the
situation where the accused does know the law, while CC s. 91 covers
situations where the accused may not know what the law requires.The law
set forth in C-68 is crystal clear.

Any
firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, or
prohibited ammunition that passes into the hands of an executor is
legal, and possession by that executor is legal -- for a "reasonable
period". All firearms and any of the other items listed held by
the deceased -- legally or illegally -- become [if necessary, and
temporarily] legal as they pass into the hands of the executor at the
moment of death. The executor has broad exemptions granted to him by
the law in order to let him settle the estate in an orderly manner, and
with a minimum of firearms control system problems.

Law
enforcement officers should, therefore, be very cautious about seizing
firearms (and other listed items) that are involved in an inheritance
process. There can be claims for damage due to poor handling or poor
storage, as well as complaints of illegal seizure.The exemptions
granted by FA 5. 112(2)(b), CC s. 91(4)(b) and CC s. 92(4)(b) are very
broad. Even an obviously illegal, unregistered full automatic
submachine gun, a sawed-off shotgun, or a FA s. 12(6) prohibited
handgun temporarily becomes perfectly legal, temporarily. That happens
when the death of its possessor passes it, automatically, into the
possession of the executor of the estate -- who needs no licence or registration certificate to be in possession of it.

If the deceased dies in possession of a "prohibited firearm" described in FA s. 12(6), that firearm can be passed on to the heir if the conditions set out in FA s. 12(7) are met.

If
the deceased died in possession of a "prohibited firearm" that no one
but a museum can have, the executor may legally transport it without
an Authorization To Transport (ATT) -- say, to a gunsmith for
deactivation. (The executor must stay with it while it is deactivated,
so that it is never illegally possessed by the gunsmith.)
Once deactivated, it is still an asset of the estate, but it is no
longer a firearm under the CC s. 2 definition of "firearm".

The
statement that an executor does not need an ATT requires explanation,
as Parliament set up that exemption in two different ways, both having
the same purpose:

CC s. 93 criminalizes only "the holder of an authorization or a licence
under which the person may possess a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a
restricted weapon, a prohibited device or prohibited ammunition" -- if
that person has the item at a forbidden location. An executor is not
"the holder of an authorization or a licence under which the person may
possess" the item. He or she is merely the agent for the real possessor
-- the estate. He or she has temporary possession only under the exemption granted to executors, so this section does not apply to an executor and cannot be used to charge an executor.

CC
s. 94(4) provides an exemption to a CC s. 94(1) charge against an
executor who is actually transporting such an item, and for anyone else
who is in a motor vehicle with such an executor. That confirms
that it was Parliament's intent to exempt an executor from ATT
considerations, as well as licence and registration certificate
considerations.

However, the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations apparently do apply to an executor, and must be obeyed by an executor.

If
you have questions on this, or any other issue regarding firearms, the
National Firearms Association would be pleased to answer them for you.

Please call us at (780)439-1394


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www.JimsFishing.com
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I e-mailed Mike Flatt as suggested and I will have to obtain and possess a PAL Licence.
Because I am aquiring the firearms it's same as buying them.
Fortunately I am also the excutor so can hold onto the guns until I get my PAL (when ever the next course is offered in Masset).

Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated :)
 
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