Fish Farms

[wildmanyeah]

Closed containment w water treatment gets you away from those impacts but does add pumping/electrical costs. If one is serious about the impacts to wild stocks - then CC is the way to go.

This is the dream, maybe with a lazy river that some angling can be done in too...

for me in an ideal world salmon farms would replace the commercial harvest of wild salmon.

 

[fogged in]

It's coming down to the wire on the fish farm front. The June 20th deadline fast approaches and the provincial government still has not confirmed they will let fish farm provincial licenses lapse.
They need a gentle reminder, so people are organizing rallies at MLA offices across the province on June 13th, at noon!
Nothing gets the attention of elected officials more than regular, everyday voters showing up at their local MLA offices in droves. Please save the date and come out to rallies at MLA offices across the province on June 13 over lunch time.
Can you join the Facebook event for the rally closest to you for more details?
Langford - Constituency office of Premier John Horgan
Vancouver - Environment Minister George Heyman Constituency Office
Courtenay/Comox - Ronna-Rae Leonard, MLA
Campbell River - Transport Minister Claire Trevena
Port Moody/Coquitlam - MLA Rick Glumac
It’s time to stand up for B.C. and get fish farms out! We need the B.C. government to see honest, hard-working people show up in crowds on June 13 at noon.
Let show the B.C. government how important wild salmon are to us. Bring your rod. Wear your gumboots. Or just show up in your everyday work clothes. A few fishers have made noises about bringing their boats along and parking them out front. We think that is a great idea!
Everyday British Columbians love B.C. wild salmon. They’re a part of who we are. At noon on June 13th, go to your MLA’s office and ask them to defend our wild salmon.
Please share this email with anybody you think would be interested in helping before or on June 13th.

 

[agentaqua]

Fish farms protected by Ottawa’s ‘cone of silence,’ says B.C. chief
By Ainslie Cruickshank
StarMetro Vancouver
Mon., June 4, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2...by-ottawas-cone-of-silence-says-bc-chief.html

 

[agentaqua]

This is the dream, maybe with a lazy river that some angling can be done in too...for me in an ideal world salmon farms would replace the commercial harvest of wild salmon.

Not me - in my ideal world there is abundant wild salmon - thanks.

 

[terrin]

Fish farms protected by Ottawa’s ‘cone of silence,’ says B.C. chief
By Ainslie Cruickshank
StarMetro Vancouver
Mon., June 4, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2...by-ottawas-cone-of-silence-says-bc-chief.html

It is pretty bad to see how the Fish Farmers spokesperson "Hall" actually tries to spin this as a good news story.Very sad.If anything, this highlights that the B.C. salmon farming industry does operate in a transparent, responsible manner,” he added.

 

[agentaqua]

Harmful algal bloom caused mortalities at two sites in BC
https://www.griegseafood.no/harmful-algal-bloom-caused-mortalities-at-two-sites-in-bc-2/

 

[agentaqua]

Federal NDP, Greens call for Fisheries and Oceans Canada to stop promoting salmon farms
By Ainslie Cruickshank
StarMetro Vancouver
Wed., June 6, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2...ns-canada-to-stop-promoting-salmon-farms.html

 

[fogged in]

Harmful algal bloom caused mortalities at two sites in BC
https://www.griegseafood.no/harmful-algal-bloom-caused-mortalities-at-two-sites-in-bc-2/

"Total mortality is estimated to 250,000 fish or approximately 1,000 tons"
1000 tons, can that be right?
2,204,622.62 pounds.
What's the value of over 2 million pounds of Atlantic Salmon?
Walmart has it on sale for $21. a pound. $46,297,075 retail.
BIG MONEY IN FISH FARMS...eh.
The story goes on to say the loss is partially covered by insurance.
Can anyone tell me who in their right mind is providing the insurance?

 

[Dave]

Any idea how many wild salmon were affected?

 

[trophywife]

Any idea how many wild salmon were affected?

all of them.

 

[terrin]

Any idea how many wild salmon were affected?

When Horgan refuses to renew permits no Wild Salmon will be affected and they will finally be able to start rebuiding their stock.

 

[Fishmyster]

Any idea how many wild salmon were affected?

Well that's a silly question. The obvious answer is 0!!
Once you've seen enough of the anti farm infomercials you too will understand that natures natural effects are nil compared to the damage done by the evil people at fish farms. Make sure you don't go outside or you may loose focus on this that has been proven extensively thru internet marketing.

 

[agentaqua]

Any idea how many wild salmon were affected?

To state what is likely already obvious to many on here: I would expect that adult wild fish - given the opportunity - can and do dive deeper below any surface plankton bloom of harmful algal blooms such as Heterosigma spp., and/or can swim out of a localized area with a heavy bloom.

Juveniles - on the other hand - live in the shallows and don't have the same abilities as adult fish to dive deep; and I would also likely expect to see an increase in predators on juvies in deeper waters.

So, it is likely that any Heterosigma spp. bloom in the spring that co-occurs in time/space with juvie outmigration would have some impact: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568988310000867

Farmed fish are particularly sensitive to these blooms since they can't move, and can only dive as deep as the nets allow.
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosigma_akashiwo

The 1997 H. akashiwo bloom in British Columbia, for example, coincided with a dramatic increase in mortality of captive salmon.[15] H. akashiwo contributed to the loss of over 1,000 tons of Atlantic salmon in 2001.[6] A bloom in Puget Sound in 2006 led to the loss of $2 million of farmed salmon.[7] In 2014, a bloom near Port Hardy, British Columbia, killed nearly 280,000 Atlantic salmon.[16] In 2018, a bloom near British Columbia killed near 250,000 Atlantic salmon at two seafood farms.[17] A 1995 article noted that the global distribution of H. akashiwo is increasing, as is the frequency of H. akashiwo HAB formation.[18]

Looks like this will be getting more common with global warming:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568988308001273?via=ihub
www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1619575114
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.foodres.2010.02.010

 

[terrin]

CKNW John macolm program had Morten and a PR hack from the Fish Farmers on at about 8:50 this morning. Morton did very well presenting the facts and the PR hack rudely interupted a few times and also tried to spin Open net sea lice infested Disease and virus carrying Fish Farms as being Green because they use the tides to flush their crap. I don't think anyone listening would buy his spin though but it shows their desperation to win some public support.

 

[Whole in the Water]

Salmon farming has a key role in protecting wild salmon.

http://theprovince.com/opinion/op-e...as-a-key-role-to-play-in-protecting-wild-fish

Too bad the "cure" they are talking about that "protects" wild salmon is not better than the disease and pollution that net pens spread in the marine environment!

 

[wildmanyeah]

Great news for wild harvesters the price of salmon just keeps sky rocketing and with these blooms many farms all over the world get hit hard. Looks like Alaska wild salmon are not going to have that great of a season too.

Poachers will be seeing all time highs prices this year, Netting will be at an all time high, and DFO enforcement will be at an all time low due to miss management, poor hiring practices, baby boomers retiring and lack of support from Ottawa. Most importantly DFO has lack of support from the public who would rather see it desoved then support Ottawa in increasing funds for DFO.

Hope the wild salmon can make it though all the human greed

Its a good thing we spent so much more time promoting the need to eat wild salmon over farmed. This is few of thousands of comments I see on social media...

 

[agentaqua]

CKNW John macolm program had Morten and a PR hack from the Fish Farmers on at about 8:50 this morning. Morton did very well presenting the facts and the PR hack rudely interupted a few times and also tried to spin Open net sea lice infested Disease and virus carrying Fish Farms as being Green because they use the tides to flush their crap. I don't think anyone listening would buy his spin though but it shows their desperation to win some public support.

The debate over fish farming in BC
Published Jun 8, 2018 9:14 AM
https://omny.fm/shows/the-jon-mccomb-show/the-debate-over-fish-farming-in-bc

 

[Dave]

When Horgan refuses to renew permits no Wild Salmon will be affected and they will finally be able to start rebuiding their stock.

So, you think toxic algal blooms don't affect wild salmon? Herring? Or perhaps you think the removal of fish farms will stop algae blooming ...

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ne_and_harmful_blooms_of_Heterosigma_akashiwo

To state what is likely already obvious to many on here: I would expect that adult wild fish - given the opportunity - can and do dive deeper below any surface plankton bloom of harmful algal blooms such as Heterosigma spp., and/or can swim out of a localized area with a heavy bloom.

Juveniles - on the other hand - live in the shallows and don't have the same abilities as adult fish to dive deep; and I would also likely expect to see an increase in predators on juvies in deeper waters.

So, it is likely that any Heterosigma spp. bloom in the spring that co-occurs in time/space with juvie outmigration would have some impact: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568988310000867

Farmed fish are particularly sensitive to these blooms since they can't move, and can only dive as deep as the nets allow.
from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosigma_akashiwo

The 1997 H. akashiwo bloom in British Columbia, for example, coincided with a dramatic increase in mortality of captive salmon.[15] H. akashiwo contributed to the loss of over 1,000 tons of Atlantic salmon in 2001.[6] A bloom in Puget Sound in 2006 led to the loss of $2 million of farmed salmon.[7] In 2014, a bloom near Port Hardy, British Columbia, killed nearly 280,000 Atlantic salmon.[16] In 2018, a bloom near British Columbia killed near 250,000 Atlantic salmon at two seafood farms.[17] A 1995 article noted that the global distribution of H. akashiwo is increasing, as is the frequency of H. akashiwo HAB formation.[18]

Looks like this will be getting more common with global warming:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568988308001273?via=ihub
www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1619575114
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.foodres.2010.02.010

Well apparently Chilko sockeye don't like blooms ..

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ne_and_harmful_blooms_of_Heterosigma_akashiwo

 

[agentaqua]

Already quoted that article, Dave and spoke to that. You may find it more effective to read my posts if you actually wish to have a debate.

...So, it is likely that any Heterosigma spp. bloom in the spring that co-occurs in time/space with juvie outmigration would have some impact: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1568988310000867...

 

[Whole in the Water]

CKNW John macolm program had Morten and a PR hack from the Fish Farmers on at about 8:50 this morning. Morton did very well presenting the facts and the PR hack rudely interupted a few times and also tried to spin Open net sea lice infested Disease and virus carrying Fish Farms as being Green because they use the tides to flush their crap. I don't think anyone listening would buy his spin though but it shows their desperation to win some public support.

Watch this, some scary similarities between the old big tobacco hacks and current fish farm hacks! They spin and squirm and twist to get people to believe them - same old BS tactics, just a different industry! Thankfully history has shown time and again when it gets to this point the industry is in trouble and change is coming!