Aww.... Wolf, my heads hurting,you made me think too much,Gypseas here's just a little of what I've done last 3 trips out.Coho seem too like more speed,okay, so I dropped 15 lb balls down cause I know I'm going faster so I know my downrigger angles are diffrent,the 10 lb balls hang back too much,more speed on the gear,diffrent swivels on the gear.I've used one Rod as a control rod[gear that I know works for coho]So i can compare the results. The other rods I've tried oh maybe 7 or 8 different flashers{I have about 80 to choose from]I've tried 10 or more diffrent hootchies.I've trimmed some of them,pulled every other tassles off of some of them,cut some of the hi lite colors off some of them,removed the eyes off of some of them,inserted glow heads in some,black hooks,chrome hooks,shorter leaders longer leaders,well you get the idea.I have found one that is a diffrent color and showed some promise,i'm going to experiment with that one next time out.Also trying different anchovie heads. By expermenting and trying new gear out, I stumbled across some really good setups for sockeye and pinks that I passed along to the board,although I found one that was even better for sockeye,I'm keeping that one for myself.Anyhow getting back to what Wolf said,you do have to put the time in,and keep track of what is working,and when you stumble and get frustrated ask for help.So going back to the original question jimbob asked,the simple answer is, I think thats to slow..DAN