Charlie
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Will have to cut and paste, aqua, Dave had me banned from Rods (moosebreath)
Re: More Problems At Fish Farms
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2013, 11:21:04 AM »
Quote from: aquapaloosa on December 05, 2013, 07:20:09 PM
Re: salmon farm organic certification
This is a company that does and has not used antibiotics for just about 10 years. If disease was such an intense issue how possibly could a company achieve a survival rate higher than 90% over two years of a cycle for each cycle all these years? Interestingly this 90% survival rate is very similar to companies that do use antibiotics. Go figure.
Might want to look at Cohen Exhibit 1527, which describes an undiagnosed disease that has been killing Creative Salmon’s farmed Chinook for 7 years and that was 2011?
Would that really be “all these years”? Creative Salmon has been plagued with what some refer to as Salmon Leukemia disease and the Salmon Leukemia virus (SLv) since the late 1980s. Signs and evidence of SL and SLv are found throughout DFO articles, fish farm records and articles, including Dr Michael Kent. Dr Kent also found the virus and disease could spread from farmed salmon to the wild salmon. Symptoms include brain tumors, jaundice on the bellies and around the eyes, pale gills and livers.
I still contend and is my opinion SLv is nothing more than a mutated ISAv, and the so-called SL disease will be found secondary to ISAv.
This from another board...
Unless something has recently changed, Creative Salmon holds licenses for six fish farms and is owned by five private investors. Its shares are evenly split between three Japanese and two BC owners. Anyone want to call a company three-fifths Japanese and two-fifths BC "locally owned?" That is a matter of interpretation.
Even without any publicized escapements, you still have what is called ”leaching” where some fish just go missing from those open net pens. Their certainly is the possibility of propagation of those genetically inferior salmon with wild Chinook. I would actually take any Atlantic salmon feedlot over any company raising any kind of Pacific salmon in open net pens for that reason alone. Meaning the risk is to great to the genetics of the wild stocks and there should be NO genetically weakened Pacific salmon ever allowed in any “open net pen” – EVER!
HOWEVER, Creative Salmon has another VERY big issue. It is called Norwegian ISAv causing their Chinook to turn jaundice and "DIE"! Think about this for a moment… They only raise Chinook salmon from their own broad stock. Creative Salmon Chinook have already been diagnosed with the Norwegians strain of ISAv! Creative Salmon very well could be actually growing their very own version of the Norwegian ISAvirus; and “may” actually now be passing it down generation to generation through their very own eggs; and “may” be passing that disease to the wild! Kind of explains all those dead jaundice salmon starting to turn up in BC, doesn’t it?
“Dr. Miller said the ISA virus has now been confirmed in numerous wild fish, and in chinook samples provided by Creative Salmon, a fish farm on Vancouver Island.”
“Dr. Miller said her tests found a virus that is 95-per-cent similar to the European strain of ISA, which has infected farmed Atlantic salmon in Norway, Scotland, Atlantic Canada and Chile.”
With “open net pens” they aren’t playing with dynamite - they are playing with nitroglycerin! You might as well go out and find a bottle of nitroglycerin and stick it your trunk, drive around, and wait for it to blow. That is exactly what they are doing with all those open net pens in BC concerning the Pacific salmon. And, it will blow!
So, I must ask… is anyone really okay with any type of salmon “open net pens,” especially on wild salmon migration routes? To include, Creative Salmon growing Chinook salmon that can interbred? And… with already known Creative Salmon has their very own Norwegian ISAv? And disease already killing their own Chinook salmon? And those Chinook swimming around intermingling with your wild BC wild salmon?
Well soxy... that is actually from my post from this board.