Will have to cut and paste, aqua, Dave had me banned from Rods (moosebreath)
Re: More Problems At Fish Farms
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2013, 11:21:04 AM »
Quote from: aquapaloosa on December 05, 2013, 07:20:09 PM
Re: salmon farm organic certification
This is a company that does and has not used antibiotics for just about 10 years. If disease was such an intense issue how possibly could a company achieve a survival rate higher than 90% over two years of a cycle for each cycle all these years? Interestingly this 90% survival rate is very similar to companies that do use antibiotics. Go figure.
This from another board...
Unless something has recently changed, Creative Salmon holds licenses for six fish farms and is owned by five private investors. Its shares are evenly split between three Japanese and two BC owners. Anyone want to call a company three-fifths Japanese and two-fifths BC "locally owned?" That is a matter of interpretation.
Even without any publicized escapements, you still have what is called ”leaching” where some fish just go missing from those open net pens. Their certainly is the possibility of propagation of those genetically inferior salmon with wild Chinook. I would actually take any Atlantic salmon feedlot over any company raising any kind of Pacific salmon in open net pens for that reason alone. Meaning the risk is to great to the genetics of the wild stocks and there should be NO genetically weakened Pacific salmon ever allowed in any “open net pen” – EVER!
HOWEVER, Creative Salmon has another VERY big issue. It is called Norwegian ISAv causing their Chinook to turn jaundice and "DIE"! Think about this for a moment… They only raise Chinook salmon from their own broad stock. Creative Salmon Chinook have already been diagnosed with the Norwegians strain of ISAv! Creative Salmon very well could be actually growing their very own version of the Norwegian ISAvirus; and “may” actually now be passing it down generation to generation through their very own eggs; and “may” be passing that disease to the wild! Kind of explains all those dead jaundice salmon starting to turn up in BC, doesn’t it?
“Dr. Miller said the ISA virus has now been confirmed in numerous wild fish, and in chinook samples provided by Creative Salmon, a fish farm on Vancouver Island.”
“Dr. Miller said her tests found a virus that is 95-per-cent similar to the European strain of ISA, which has infected farmed Atlantic salmon in Norway, Scotland, Atlantic Canada and Chile.” With “open net pens” they aren’t playing with dynamite - they are playing with nitroglycerin! You might as well go out and find a bottle of nitroglycerin and stick it your trunk, drive around, and wait for it to blow. That is exactly what they are doing with all those open net pens in BC concerning the Pacific salmon. And, it will blow!
So, I must ask… is anyone really okay with any type of salmon “open net pens,” especially on wild salmon migration routes? To include, Creative Salmon growing Chinook salmon that can interbred? And… with already known Creative Salmon has their very own Norwegian ISAv? And disease already killing their own Chinook salmon? And those Chinook swimming around intermingling with your wild BC wild salmon?
Concerning their “organic certification” all one has to do is look at who pushed that “organic certification” through! Ever heard of the “fox in the henhouse”?
Executive Director - Ruth Salmon (fitting last name, isn’t it?)
Board of Directors
Clare Backman, Marine Harvest Canada
Jonathan Barry, Breviro Caviar Inc.
Chris Beattie, Skretting Canada
Shelley King, Aquaculture Association of Canada
Jerry Bidgood, Prince Edward Aqua Farms Ltd.
Cyr Couturier, Newfoundland Aquaculture Industry Association / Marine Institute, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Steve Cross, Kyuquot SEAfoods Ltd.
Linda Duncan, Mussel Industry Council of North America
Terry Ennis, Atlantic Aqua Farms Inc.
Jason Mann, EWOS Canada Ltd.
Ann Worth, PEI Aquaculture Alliance
Nell Halse, Cooke Aquaculture Ltd.
Angela Bishop, Aquaculture Association of Nova Scotia
Stewart Hawthorn, Grieg Seafood BC Ltd.
Pamela Parker, Atlantic Canada Fish Farmers Association
John Rose, Icy Waters Ltd.
Roberta Stevenson, BC Shellfish Grower's Association
Stephen Stewart, Confederation Cove Mussels Ltd.
Karen Tracey, Northern Ontario Aquaculture Association
Fernando Villarroel, Mainstream Canada
Mary Ellen Walling, BC Salmon Farmers Association
Brian Yip, Fanny Bay Oysters
Board of Directors Executive
President - Clare Backman, Marine Harvest Canada
Vice-President - Terry Ennis, Atlantic Aqua Farms Inc.
Treasurer - Cyr Couturier, Marine Institute, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Secretary - Pam Parker, Atlantic Canada Fish Farmers Association
Executive Members-at-large
John Rose, Icy Waters Arctic Charr
Laurie Jensen, Mainstream Canada
From shuswapsteve:
As for Dr. Miller's discovery of the ISA virus in Chinook samples provided by Creative Salmon there is more to that story than what you have portrayed. First, the Dr. Miller's study of the ISA virus in those fish also found that the prevalence of that virus was the same in healthy fish as it was in sick fish. Second, the results from that study were linked to a data from a licenced veterinarian sampled the fish and a board certified veterinary pathologist that examine sections of organs under a microscope. This way it was obvious to see that the sick fish were sick and the healthy fish were healthy. This suggests that whatever Dr. Miller was finding was not the cause of disease in those Chinook Salmon. (Cohen Exhibit #2078)
To add to this:
Attempts to replicate these findings by the CFIA National Reference Laboratory for ISA in Moncton, New Brunswick, were unsuccessful (Cohen Exhibit # 2004). In addition, all the experts (Dr. Nylund, Dr. Kibenge, Dr. Miller and Ms. Gagne) during the ISA testimony at the Cohen Commission Inquiry were unanimous in declaring that we have no evidence of ISA in BC (Cohen Final Report; Vol. 2, Ch. 4. Pg 80).
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Kind of explains all those dead jaundice salmon starting to turn up in BC, doesn’t it?
Really? In 1999, Dr. Kibenge isolated a strain of ISAV from eastern Canada in farmed Coho Salmon from Chile which did not have clinical signs of ISA (Kibenge et al. 2001). It was shown that the fish had a disease characterized by jaundice which continues to occur in Chile without any evidence of ISAv (Smith et al 2006). This finding supports Dr. Kibenge’s conclusion that his ISAv findings in these farmed Coho “might have been coincidental” (Cohen Exhibit #2086).
Lastly, from the University of PEI Atlantic Veterinary College website:
“It is important to note that the presence of ISAv sequences in tissue samples does not necessarily mean that the actual disease, ISA, is present in the subject fish or that ISA is present in the area where the fish were collected,” said Dr. Kibenge. “Viral material can be present in animals without them actually having the associated disease. In order to confirm whether an infectious viral disease is present, further testing is required.”
The OIE definition (confirmation) of ISAv infection requires that the virus be successfully grown in cell culture. Thus, the PCR test should be viewed as a highly sensitive screening test that, if positive, is only the first diagnostic step in documenting an ISAv infection, should one exist.
http://avc.upei.ca/dr-fred-kibenge-invited-testify-bc-salmon-inquiry
References:
Kibenge FSB, Garate ON, Johnson G, Arriagada R, Kibenge MJT, Wadowska D (2001 ). Isolation and identification of infectious salmon anaemia virus (ISAV) from Coho salmon in Chile. Dis. Aquat. Org. 45:9-18
Smith PA, Larenas J, Contreras J, Cassigoli J, Venegas C, Rojas ME, Guajardo A, Perez S, Diaz S (2006). Infectious haemolytic anaemia causes jaundice outbreaks in seawater-cultured coho salmon, Oncorhynchus kisutch (Walbaum), in Chile. J. Fish Dis. 29:709-715
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