Yep - clean as a whistle - never a birth defect, disease, sickness, or deformation unless directly caused by us humans. Darwin was wrong - humans caused the dinosaurs to die off!
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Atlantic salmon blood through an effluent pipe - directly into Brown’s Bay
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trophywife
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i am sure the fish that lodges dispose of are not invasive nor have strains of invasive disease.
Birdsnest
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Can you name an invasive disease that you are sure of here on the west coast?
trophywife
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pretty sure name is the same but, what you are missing is the invasive strain of the same disease. mother nature fights its own battles over time, our salmon have built in defence to their own pacific strain of the diseases named everywhere.. an invasive strain of that same disease could be disastrous for pacific salmon and now bottomfish are getting it?
Birdsnest
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Im having a hard time understanding what you mean. Could you just find the name of this invasive disease you are talking about. I think that would help me understand.
Birdsnest
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Those are viruses agent. Not diseases. Further more Isa is not know to be on the NW coast of coast despite your feelings. And the PRV here is not identical to the Norway Prv. This could be supported by the losses on farms here where Zero farm fish have been lost to HSMI due to PRV. But now your going to talk all about Norway and how hsmi and prv is there. What that is there is not what we are seeing here.
Its questionable if PRV could be considered an invasive anyting in bc if you can not show a relationship to disease here in bc. What part of all the previous discussions about PRV have you forgotten already. Your still listing prv as a disease!
Birdsnest
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Not in bc. You know this aa.
Both have been found in BC, birdie. Many numerous tests from numerous locations have confirmed this. What the population-level effects on the wild stocks is of yet - unknown.
Birdsnest
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ISA has not been found in bc although I know you feel this isn't true but science doesn't not support this.
PRV effects unknown? Well I wouldn't say that. This idea is keeping to your narrative not including all the information. If you look at some facts about this again in bc you will find that for now prv infection has not produced disease, infact even in norway prv does not cause disease. You may feel there is little know but the facts are showing different.
While we are at it tho please do show confirmed ISA in bc.
PRV effects unknown? Well I wouldn't say that. This idea is keeping to your narrative not including all the information. If you look at some facts about this again in bc you will find that for now prv infection has not produced disease, infact even in norway prv does not cause disease. You may feel there is little know but the facts are showing different.
While we are at it tho please do show confirmed ISA in bc.
GLG
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PRv in BC is suspected to cause HSMI. Is there some new research that I have not seen here Birdsnest?
Heart and skeletal muscle inflammation (HSMI) disease diagnosed on a British Columbia salmon farm through a longitudinal farm study Published: February 22, 2017
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0171471#sec029
Infection with purified Piscine orthoreovirus demonstrates a causal relationship with heart and skeletal muscle inflammation in Atlantic salmon Published: August 25, 2017
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0183781#sec002
Heart and skeletal muscle inflammation (HSMI) disease diagnosed on a British Columbia salmon farm through a longitudinal farm study Published: February 22, 2017
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0171471#sec029
Infection with purified Piscine orthoreovirus demonstrates a causal relationship with heart and skeletal muscle inflammation in Atlantic salmon Published: August 25, 2017
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0183781#sec002
I never really know what drives what appears to me to be the selective memory of pro-FF pundits. Whether it is that they blindly swallow the PR output from the BCSFA, DFO or CFIA - who employ the same script writers; or that they don't know or follow the science; or that they have really bad memories. Maybe it's the kool-aid.
But whatever the cause - then they make unsupported claims and expect the rest of us to simply & blindly believe & accept their unsupported claims. I find it a tad bizarre and totally irresponsible.
Anyways - there have been numerous reported ISAv PCR so-termed "weak" positive results, numerous "weak" positive results that have been classified by CFIA/DFO as "false" positives, and numerous PRV results, as well - some of which have been recently published in PLOS1.
Some of those ISAv results are summarized at http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/...know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia.html and tables displayed below:
and more listed here: http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/04/more-isa-virus-test-results.html
Also from http://blog.alexandramorton.ca/post/2011/12/what-we-know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia/
In 1999, North American ISAv isolates were found in Chilean coho salmon farms and the strong match suggested the virus had been introduced from the North Atlantic shortly before detection (Nylund et al. 2007). In 2007, the European strain ISAv appeared in Atlantic salmon farms in Chile and became highly virulent sweeping through the industry (Vike et al. 2009).
The ISAv HPR0 avirulent type is asymptomatic and cannot be cultured (McBeath et al. 2009) and so will never be “confirmed” according to Canadian regulation. As well, cell culture is less sensitive than PCR and unable to detect low levels of the virus (Devold et al. 2000).
Also reference:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...lmon-for-decades-inquiry-told/article4247764/
http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancou...igns-of-salmon-virus-in-british-columbia.html
keep in mind the ISAv sequence found in the tissue triggered the test results.
Also keep in mind that the genetics of the virus indicated a Norwegian root - it was NOT any local, Pacific source. These daming data and evidence are conveniently ignored and forgotten by the FF pundits, as well.
But whatever the cause - then they make unsupported claims and expect the rest of us to simply & blindly believe & accept their unsupported claims. I find it a tad bizarre and totally irresponsible.
Anyways - there have been numerous reported ISAv PCR so-termed "weak" positive results, numerous "weak" positive results that have been classified by CFIA/DFO as "false" positives, and numerous PRV results, as well - some of which have been recently published in PLOS1.
Some of those ISAv results are summarized at http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/...know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia.html and tables displayed below:
and more listed here: http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/04/more-isa-virus-test-results.html
Also from http://blog.alexandramorton.ca/post/2011/12/what-we-know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia/
In 1999, North American ISAv isolates were found in Chilean coho salmon farms and the strong match suggested the virus had been introduced from the North Atlantic shortly before detection (Nylund et al. 2007). In 2007, the European strain ISAv appeared in Atlantic salmon farms in Chile and became highly virulent sweeping through the industry (Vike et al. 2009).
The ISAv HPR0 avirulent type is asymptomatic and cannot be cultured (McBeath et al. 2009) and so will never be “confirmed” according to Canadian regulation. As well, cell culture is less sensitive than PCR and unable to detect low levels of the virus (Devold et al. 2000).
Also reference:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...lmon-for-decades-inquiry-told/article4247764/
http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancou...igns-of-salmon-virus-in-british-columbia.html
keep in mind the ISAv sequence found in the tissue triggered the test results.
Also keep in mind that the genetics of the virus indicated a Norwegian root - it was NOT any local, Pacific source. These daming data and evidence are conveniently ignored and forgotten by the FF pundits, as well.
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AA, when you supplied the documents on "muzzled" scientists, wasn't this part of the independent labs retest? Yep, care to share what the results were? Folks, when AM's samples were retested, they tested negative. AA can make a claim that if an advocate tests something and on retest it fails to replicate the orignal result, that it somehow implies the first result is correct or should be used, but this isn't science at all. This is trying to make data fit a preconcieved conclusion.I never really know what drives the selective memory of pro-FF pundits. Whether it is that they blindly swallow the PR output from the BCSFA, DFO or CFIA - who employ the same script writers; or that they don't know or follow the science; or that they have really bad memories. Maybe it's the kool-aid. But then they make unsupported claims and expect the rest of us to simply blindly believe their unsupported claims.
Anyways there have been numerous reported ISAv PCR so-termed "weak" positive results, numerous "weak" positive results that have been classified by CFIA/DFO as "false" positives, and numerous PRV results, as well.
Some of those results are summarized at http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/...know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia.html and tables displayed below:
and more listed here: http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/04/more-isa-virus-test-results.html
Also from http://blog.alexandramorton.ca/post/2011/12/what-we-know-about-isa-virus-in-british-columbia/
In 1999, North American ISAv isolates were found in Chilean coho salmon farms and the strong match suggested the virus had been introduced from the North Atlantic shortly before detection (Nylund et al. 2007). In 2007, the European strain ISAv appeared in Atlantic salmon farms in Chile and became highly virulent sweeping through the industry (Vike et al. 2009).
The ISAv HPR0 avirulent type is asymptomatic and cannot be cultured (McBeath et al. 2009) and so will never be “confirmed” according to Canadian regulation. As well, cell culture is less sensitive than PCR and unable to detect low levels of the virus (Devold et al. 2000).
Also reference:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...lmon-for-decades-inquiry-told/article4247764/
http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancou...igns-of-salmon-virus-in-british-columbia.html
Let me ask you this, if you received an initial blood test from your local doctor and he said you might have cancer. Then on second testing with the cancer clinic, they conclude that it was a false positive, would you decide the cancer clinic was wrong and insist on chemotherapy anyway? This is what AA is suggesting here. Better get chemo because the cancer clinic is trying to save the government money.
I have asked for the statements from AA or Bigdoegh or "Anybody out there" to supply where AM publically stated the lab that retested her samples was either falsifying results, colluding with the government (they used blind base line testing techniques) or were not as accurate as hers (has she claimed her testing techniques were more sophisticated?). Why do you insist on retreading results that were failed to be corroborated? Help me on this, AM hasn't publically declared this right?
Well, it wasn't in anything you supplied. In fact, everything you supplied showed the opposite. BTW, quoting your own post isn't proof it is out there. Give us the AM quotes please.
I am assuming you are trolling, spopadyn. However, it does present another opportunity for those whom are unfamiliar with the issue to get informed - so I will indulge you.
It would be hard to retest if your samples were seized when CFIA stormed the only lab in Canada that was certified to test for ISAv and later had it decertified - would it not?
Now what professional and responsible actions would one expect from professional and responsible regulators at CFIA and DFO - retesting. Ya - that's right.
So they did just the opposite of what one would expect from professional and responsible regulators.
Wonder why that was? Was it to "protect" the wild stocks? Hmmmmm....
It would be hard to retest if your samples were seized when CFIA stormed the only lab in Canada that was certified to test for ISAv and later had it decertified - would it not?
Now what professional and responsible actions would one expect from professional and responsible regulators at CFIA and DFO - retesting. Ya - that's right.
So they did just the opposite of what one would expect from professional and responsible regulators.
Wonder why that was? Was it to "protect" the wild stocks? Hmmmmm....
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Birdsnest
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I find it odd that those who started this ISA in bc claim haven't continued to test for ISA. Did they just give up? Seems odd given the confidence level shown here by AA that ISA is here. Shouldn't be that hard to prove yet no additional testing by am or other NGO. Weird.
Really? The CFIA stormed the lab. Like with a swat team? This is the first I have heard of this version.
Really? The CFIA stormed the lab. Like with a swat team? This is the first I have heard of this version.
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