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[walleyes]

And some more for those wanting to learn..

http://www.tecedmonton.com/Blog/tab...tium-is-cleaning-up-those-tailings-ponds.aspx

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/tailings.html

http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/2010/05/mammoth-mop-up/

http://www.capp.ca/environmentCommunity/land/Pages/TailingsPonds.aspx

http://news.thomasnet.com/green_cle...logy-for-cleaning-up-oil-sands-tailing-ponds/

http://www.oilsandstoday.ca/topics/RestorLand/Pages/default.aspx

 

[jeffywestcoast]

Walleyes it's not like its your rich province and the rest of us are poor.. I have worked in the oilfields of Alberta for over ten years an been through the boom and the bust, the demand for your dirty oil is dwindling...at least your mouth is open wide enough for your foot to fit when the bottom falls out of your beloved tarsands boomtown.

 

[walleyes]

Walleyes it's not like its your rich province and the rest of us are poor.. I have worked in the oilfields of Alberta for over ten years an been through the boom and the bust, the demand for your dirty oil is dwindling...at least your mouth is open wide enough for your foot to fit when the bottom falls out of your beloved tarsands boomtown.

Like I said when we are all done with you guys you can all move back home where ever that is,, cause very little of the ones that are here are Albertans,, you will all move back home and our kids will be here running the places with the good jobs and yours,,, well,, you know... We do appreciate ya'll coming here and digging our ditches for us though,, thats awesome..

You guys still want more ??

 

[Bent-Tip]

Like I said when we are all done with you guys you can all move back home where ever that is,, cause very little of the ones that are here are Albertans,, you will all move back home and our kids will be here running the places with the good jobs and yours,,, well,, you know... We do appreciate ya'll coming here and digging our ditches for us though,, thats awesome..

You guys still want more ??

No thanks Bud. I think you've said it all. Thanks for that.

 

[walleyes]

And with all this said,, I am going to leave it at that for a while and just walk away gentlemen. If you all haven't picked up on the fact,, I do have a bit of a temper it just gets hard to sit back for so long and read all the one sided views all the time.. A man can only be run down so long and he will stand up for himself..

I truly hope that beyond all my rants that some of you have read a few of the articles I have posted and maybe,, just maybe be more enlightened than you were in the past.

I love B.C I do,, I consider it my second home I do plan on semi retiring there some day and spending long summer days on the chuck.. Again,, I believe you people have every right to decide what happens in your province,, but don't have the attitude that you have to save us from ourselves,, we are doing quite fine out here,, we got this.. We are only supplying a product that you demand to have, don't shoot the delivery boy shoot the guy who ordered it..

We are all human we all leave a mark,, look what ya'll have done to those pristine islands around you,, shameful how that has been all tore up and the urban sprawl,, what a waste..

Peace to you all..

 

[Dennis.t]

Lets all quit are oil field jobs, get stoned and listen to Neil Young records...

 

[jeffywestcoast]

hell ya, we could get baked at the beach and make wind chimes from driftwood and seashells, and not shower even cause we have patchouli oil for BO.

 

[GLG]

And some more for those wanting to learn..

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/tailings.html

Well let's have a quick look at one of those links walleyes gave us.
So here is the "truth" that he would have us believe.
It's coming from the Alberta Government, it could not be wrong, right?

Our Challenge


Tailings management remains one of the most difficult environmental challenges for the oil sands mining sector. There is currently about 77 square kilometres of oil sands tailings ponds water in Alberta.

Our Actions

By working with industry, communities and academic research centres, Alberta is developing technologies that will speed up the transformation of tailings into reclaimed land so that the land can receive a reclamation certificate and be returned to the province. In the meantime, strict regulations and a broad and intensive monitoring program are in place to mitigate potential impacts.

So what does Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) tell us on their website

http://www.oilsandstoday.ca/topics/Tailings/Pages/default.aspxChallenge


The tailings ponds required at mines are large and impact the landscape. Existing tailings ponds cover 176 km2 (67 mi2). A tailings pond – an engineered dam and dyke system – is used as a settling basin/storage container for the mixture of water, sand, clay and residual oil that is left over after oil sands processing. Once in the pond, the sand quickly sinks to the bottom, and the water from the top three metres is recycled. Tailings ponds present a number of challenges:

• Seepage into ground water can occur.
• The bottom layer, a mixture of clay and water called fine tailings, takes a long time to settle and solidify. Even after many years it will still have the consistency of yogurt, and it can take up to 30 years to separate and dry out.
• The remaining water, because it has come into contact with oil during the extraction process, contains concentrations of natural chemicals that are toxic to fish.
• The small amount of residual oil that floats to the surface of the pond poses a risk
  to waterfowl.

---

Response


The industry continues to develop better technologies and approaches to tailings management in order to reduce the environmental impact.

Oil sands operators are investing more than $1 billion in tailings-reduction technology. Several technologies have been implemented and more are being tested to reduce the volume of fine tailings and speed their rate of solidification.

You would think these two could at least get their story straight.

There was a ERCB report a few months back that was tabled in the Alberta Legislation.
Seems to me the just of it was, FAIL

lets see what was reported in the press.
Oil sands firms warned on tailings ponds

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rms-warned-on-tailings-ponds/article12485574/

CALGARY — The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Jun. 12 2013

A number of oil sands mining operations are failing to meet targets to slow the proliferation of tailing ponds, Alberta’s energy regulator says.

A report from the province’s Energy Resources Conservation Board challenges a key plank of the Redford government’s plan to promote Alberta as a responsible energy producer, and its pledge that the turbid tailings ponds containing the byproducts of bitumen production will soon be a thing of the past. During the Premier’s April trade mission to Washington, D.C., Alison Redford said “tailings ponds [will] disappear from Alberta’s landscape in the very near future” and environmental rules dictate that “the companies who do use mines and tailings must completely halt the growth of fluid tailings ponds by 2016.”


While some progress has been made, the ERCB – which regulates oil and gas operations across the province – says the overall volume of oil sands fluids tailings is large and growing. There are now 925 million cubic metres of fluid tailings in the province, compared to 725 million cubic metres four years ago.
This is despite its Directive 74, introduced in 2009 and meant to be the first step in a broader initiative to address public concerns and curtail the growth of toxic tailings ponds. The ERCB now says reduction goals set three years ago were “optimistic” and the companies won’t face penalties because of the problems they’ve encountered implementing the costly technologies to capture the oil sands waste. The report adds pressure on companies already spending hundreds of millions of dollars to live up to the tailings regulations.

There is a lot more in the news website if your interested. Just follow the link.

You think any of your pipelines will go through?
Old Neil got you down?
Will see you in court......

 

[GLG]

Lets all quit are oil field jobs, get stoned and listen to Neil Young records...

Fine .... why don't you do that and go fishing.
Bring some home for your family to eat.
Fire up the smoker and give some to you friends.

http://this.org/magazine/2011/11/01/fort-chipewyan-photo-essay/

The First Nations community of Fort Chipewyan is located 300 kilometres downstream from the oil sands. In 2006, Fort Chipewyan’s family physician, Dr. John O’Connor, reported that alarmingly high rates of rare and aggressive cancers were killing local residents. As of 2010, band elders reported that cancer had become the leading cause of death in the community. Fear and grief consume Fort Chipewyan as fishermen are finding tumour-laden fish in Lake Athabasca and residents continue to lose their friends and family to cancer.

Nothing could go wrong, right?
Neil got you down too.

 

[GLG]

And in other news....

[h=3]B.C. environmental groups seek to block cabinet approval[/h] CBC News Posted: Jan 17, 2014 1:24 PM PT
A coalition of environment groups has filed a lawsuit in Federal Court alleging serious flaws with the Joint Review Panel's final report that recommended the pipeline be approved because “Canadians will be better off with this project than without it.”

The group is seeking a court order to prevent the federal cabinet from acting on the panel's report to approve the proposed pipeline.

Ecojustice lawyers representing ForestEthics Advocacy, the Living Oceans Society and the Raincoast Conservation Foundation allege the Joint Review Panel's 419-page report contains legal errors and that its approval is based on insufficient evidence.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...teway-pipeline-report-draws-lawsuit-1.2501051

Well what do you know....
See you in court real quick...

 

[calmsea]

Don't worry boys,, don't be too jealous,, cause in the end that's all it is,, it's envy.. Those that don't have always hate those that have,,it's human nature..

I booked my cabins at one of your lodges today,, I will bring a few bread crumbs for y'all to chew on,, rest easy tonight,, we'll keep you fed.. It's Alberta's job to feed the nation,, it's not an easy job, we take a lot of flack for it but someone has to have the responsibility,, might as well be the people that can accomplish it..

Lol,, you should have heard what that lodge owner had to say about all you guys,, lol.. It was good to hear there are still a lot of level headed people out there keeping your province afloat.. God bless them,, they have a tough job out there..

Jealous? Of what? lol You live in this waste land, slave for the oil bosses, sold out your conscience, your soul, your environment for a bundle of dirty money. All that dirty money can buy you is a 4 day lodge stay on our still beautiful coast to enjoy what we can have everyday. Then you have to go back to your waste land to slave another year to afford another 4 day stay here. Nice life indeed! I may not make as much as you but man am I glad I don't have to live like you. Who is really the HAVE NOT? Think about it!

 

[cuttlefish]

"There are now 925 million cubic metres of fluid tailings in the province, compared to 725 million cubic metres four years ago.
This is despite its Directive 74, introduced in 2009 and meant to be the first step in a broader initiative to address public concerns and curtail the growth of toxic tailings ponds."

925 million cubic metres. Holy crap, that's already enough sludge to fill 1.32 million 9 yard concrete trucks which, if put end to end, would circle the Earth 24 times! How many more years is this supposed to go on?

 

[Falcon]

I think this can be done in a safe and responsible manner with today's technology, as with anything in life though, there are inherent risks associated with it. I don't see it happening any time soon. The funny thing is, as a born and raised current Vancouver Islander, I'm probably burning fuel in my truck from Alberta Oil Sands right now....lol.

 

[Falcon]

"There are now 925 million cubic metres of fluid tailings in the province, compared to 725 million cubic metres four years ago.
This is despite its Directive 74, introduced in 2009 and meant to be the first step in a broader initiative to address public concerns and curtail the growth of toxic tailings ponds."

925 million cubic metres. Holy crap, that's already enough sludge to fill 1.32 million 9 yard concrete trucks which, if put end to end, would circle the Earth 24 times! How many more years is this supposed to go on?

You'll never see it end in your lifetime.

 

[Dennis.t]

Jealous? Of what? lol You live in this waste land, slave for the oil bosses, sold out your conscience, your soul, your environment for a bundle of dirty money. All that dirty money can buy you is a 4 day lodge stay on our still beautiful coast to enjoy what we can have everyday. Then you have to go back to your waste land to slave another year to afford another 4 day stay here. Nice life indeed! I may not make as much as you but man am I glad I don't have to live like you. Who is really the HAVE NOT? Think about it!

Dirty money? Lol. You funny. slave for a year to afford a 4 day fishing trip? Are you kidding man? We earn 150 to 200 K a year working in the oil patch. There are hundreds if not thousands of us born and raised on the West Coast working our asses off in the oil patch to support our families. What u want us all to quit and pick shells and sea weed on the beaches? Give your head a shake.

 

[soxy]

Dirty money? Lol. What u want us all to quit and pick shells and sea weed on the beaches? Give your head a shake.

Freaks and hippies

 

[jeffywestcoast]

There are thousands of us from all over the country, it is called providing for your family .. Being a man..we do what we have to, n bring the money home to gods country.

 

[Foxsea]

A coalition of environment groups has filed a lawsuit in Federal Court alleging serious flaws with the Joint Review Panel's final report that recommended the pipeline be approved because “Canadians will be better off with this project than without it.”

The group is seeking a court order to prevent the federal cabinet from acting on the panel's report to approve the proposed pipeline.

Ecojustice lawyers representing ForestEthics Advocacy, the Living Oceans Society and the Raincoast Conservation Foundation allege the Joint Review Panel's 419-page report contains legal errors and that its approval is based on insufficient evidence.

"The JRP did not have enough evidence to support its conclusion that the Northern Gateway pipeline would not have significant adverse effects on certain aspects of the environment," said Ecojustice staff lawyer Karen Campbell, in a statement released on Friday.

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/northern-gateway-pipeline-report-draws-lawsuit-2

 

[Falcon]

Don't purchase your fuel from Chevron, Petro-Canada, Shell, Co-op, Safeway, Superstore, Mohawk, Costco or Esso or you're supporting the Canadian Oil Sands..."wink".

 

[Foxsea]

I can tell you what the rush is: they see the writing on the wall that the oil demands will drop in near future as new technologies start taking over. Then the oil sand extraction will be out of question. You got to bring the goods to the market when they are in demand. So the push now is absolutely logical. But is the little gain for Canadians worth the big risk and cleanup bill? Not so I say.

Here's the industry attempt to explain the exploitation rush: http://www.thestar.com/business/economy/2014/01/15/now_or_never_for_oilsands_executives_say.html

If Canada fails to develop its oilsands now — and fails to build the pipelines to move it to market — the opportunity could vanish for decades, two industry executives warned Wednesday.
“Asia will figure out other sources to get supply from if they can’t get it from Canada,” Cenovus chief executive Brian Ferguson told a meeting of the Canadian Club.

Russ Girling, chief executive of TransCanada Corp., agreed with Ferguson.
“As Canadians we have an opportunity to capture market,” said Girling. “My experience is, if you don’t capture market, somebody else will.”
He pointed to the Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline, which took six years to get regulatory approval. By that time, natural gas prices had fallen and the project was shelved.
“It’s an opportunity that’s going to be lost for decades to come,” Girling said.
“This is exactly the same thing. When markets come up, you have to take advantage of them … If you miss an opportunity, you may lose it for decades and decades to come.”

Nothing wrong with missing this bus, Russ.